Society/Culture The seemingly growing anti 'western' sentiment in 'western' societies.

[faible]

I also agree, but it is worth considering that socialist thought is a part of the Western philosophical tradition, and its core tenets correlate with Abrahamic thought to the extent that it is often considered an evolution of it, particularly with regard to the Lutheran split from traditional Catholicism.

Made me smile a bit when someone up there said something about lefties being opposed to religion.
heh.

Or, religion is just a product of society, not the source of ideas.

Don’t be a campaigner to thy neighbour is hardly groundbreaking stuff, and pretty confident it was a generally accepted part of society pre-Jesus.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Marxism is Western.


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[Episode IV]

Marxism is Western.


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I heard something like Marx was sitting under a tree and a poor person fell on his head.

 

[peetoo]

I heard something like Marx was sitting under a tree and a poor person fell on his head.

Wouldn’t be the most bizarre thing people believe about Marx

 

[Episode IV]

Of course not the only reason, I believe that (in part also) that the 'noise' is actually suppressing the majority to silence.

Yes, that "only" had no place at all there.
I consider the noise (and the complacency) to be symptomatic.

IMHO the thought that the majority is 'silent', leads to incorrect belief that fringe views are the popular, that could be dangerous, particularly considering the extreme right wing, albeit yes they're minority.

Agreed.
The communication of "truth" is a key in my opinion also, particularly when what one might consider to be truth is inconvenient or expedient.
Even the word "truth" itself is becoming almost meaningless, especially given the modern propensity in the West to conflate truth and opinion by simple expedient of placing the word "my" in front of both.
Bloody Postmodernism. Also a product of the Western philosophical tradition.

Either or, I just wanna boil it down and dissect the why of anti western sentiment.

Alright.
Thinking this through on the fly, I think schneebly111's post back there (@114) might have been important. Specifically, the question of "I’m trying to think of a way to quantify “best” system - it is hard."

It is, isn't it.
Perhaps the best system might be considered to be one in which the subjects of that system achieve the highest level of happiness?
In which case we would need to define happiness. The HDI certainly doesn't do that, nor even consider it at all other than make implied assumptions as to what might lead to achieving it - and then ignore them.

I realise I'm presenting a premise here which is an arguable subject in itself (happiness), but I'm going to bang on about it a bit regardless, as I'm wont to do.

Bearing in mind that a full discussion of this would require an essay, and also that most people begin to yawn when I go further than a paragraph or two, I'm going to mention Schopenhauer here, as he discussed the subject of happiness at length.
Only a brief mention. I promise.
He said something along the lines of the two main impediments to human happiness being pain and boredom - and then further noted that alleviating one brings us closer to the other.
In other words, one answer might be that we are, relatively speaking, a civilisation which is becoming bored, and drifting toward that which would ensure we no longer are. Why we're becoming bored would be a part of a longer essay, which might even include a bit of Nietzsche... and nobody wants that.

Then there is Russell's Paradox. That might be considered in terms of Set Theory using Multiculturalism and Nationalism as contexts.
Bertrand Russell actually wrote about the subject of happiness at length (The Conquest of Happiness), which is worth a read too.

I'll stop there.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yes, that "only" had no place at all there.
I consider the noise (and the complacency) to be symptomatic.

Complacency and 'noise' are a human nature thing, it's not like they can be dismissed and has no place.

Regardless if they're negatives. These symptoms are organic in nature.

 

[demondavey]

I am not anti western nor pro western. I am very fortunate to live in a great country, state and city. Australia is a great place and i really do enjoy it. It has a democratic society where freedom and freedom of speech is facilitated. I am white and middle class. I hide in plain sight. I don’t suffer discrimination for my skin colour or religion (not that I have one).

Now, Australia has a very grubby little underbelly that needs cleansing. We have never ever properly attempted to mend the bridge between white Australia and the Aboriginal community. We denounce attempts to do so regularly, we hide behind the moniker that ‘We are all one’ and ‘white lives matter’. We need to remember what we did. It isn’t forgotten. I am not patriotic nor am I proud of Australia. I hate our flag because it’s English and has nothing indigenous about it. We have fought political wars on this to the detriment of progress.

Capitalism I appreciate. It’s given me opportunity and I’ve benefited from it. I think everyone should have the ability to succeed through innovation, extension of their ideas, filling gaps in markets and circulating ideas. I don’t include negative gearing or some certain tax concessions as part of that. It’s just policy to make the rich richer. Capitalism needs to have responsibility, social and environmental. Pay people properly, treat them right and don’t ruin the environment more than it is.

Collectively we need to think of our planet. It’ll change drastically in the next 20-30 years. It’ll be worse by the time I am old and dead if we don’t come together and save it. If you’ve got billions then give a bit to preserving our planet. I love multiculturalism but I hate terrorism; committed by islamists or Christian’s or anyone. Religion is overrated and segregated people. It’s an old concept that needs to take a back seat to important things.

Mental health is real and problematic, but don’t use it as an excuse to be a campaigner or to excuse shithead behaviour. People pull that card a bit much. Use it if you’re really in trouble, not because you think you’re mentally ill.

Science is real and has given us progress. Listen to it. It’s there for a reason. There’s no ulterior motive for vaccinations etc, will big Pharma get rich? Yeah, they will. Who cares. Better them than the NRA.

Housing is bullshit. Stop price gouging because you can. Lift wages, scrap negative gearing and stop overdeveloping our suburbs. A little less profit for big companies is a good thing. Also, don’t have kids if you’re not financially stable and are struggling without them. 2024 is expensive.

So, am I anti western? No, but there’s room for improvement. A lot. Just don’t be a campaigner and give a damn about people. If you’re privileged and white then STFU and stop whining about free speech and your rights. You have them. Deal with multiculturalism. There’s nothing patriotic about being a bigot, there’s everything patriotic about saying we embrace people from anywhere but we don’t embrace campaigners from anywhere. Are there Africans, Australians, Chinese, Iraqis, New Zealanders and Greeks right now in Australia that are campaigners? Yes. But there’s plenty of good from all those races and nations.

We all bleed the same. Get over it.

 

[demondavey]

I think a lot of people perceive an acknowledgement of events as an attack because of fragile ego.

I used to feel the same way - thinking that people talking about Australia's treatment of migrants or our colonial history were trying to thrust white guilt upon me for events that I had no part in. Then I realised that no one was ever asking me to apologise, or pay reparations, or whatever conservative bullshit I'd eaten up; they simply wanted to me understand cause and effect.

I don't have guilt about being a white fella in a western country - my ancestors were convicts and didn't ask to be here, but I now understand that Australia's brutal colonialist past have caused problems that still permeate through Indigenous society today.

So while I see you don't want to "pretend this sentiment doesn't exist", I challenge you to ask yourself on whether what you perceived as attacks on western society is simply asking you to understand why ****ed up things the West has done might have resulted in some of the ****ed up things we see today.

Strong post. It’s pretty much how I feel. It’s acknowledging the past and saying that we need to listen to the oppressed, the Aboriginals in fact, and heal together and embrace the now. Basically anyone jumping up and down at the thought of reparations and moving forward together through politics and society is either inherently racist, selfish and uncaring, or wants to prioritise policies that benefit them.

I don’t feel guilt myself, personally, but I’d feel guilty if I was in a position to do more (politics) and I turned it into an attack on progress because of my constituency.

 

[demondavey]

Lots of Anti Australian activity around this country is due to modern communication , which in the computer age, has let minority ideals come poking out everywhere. Ideals of extreme left and green and of course the so called extreme right.

The extreme right do not seem to carry the weight they did before, but the Green Left has managed to get its way into politics and been able through social-media and "the" on air media , do a very successful job of brainwashing the plebs into believing and voting that way.

We saw in Australia the ALP manner of campaigning with certain media onside and inflaming situations and stories, where at least two politicians were ruined and character assassination was visible, an obscenity of hate it was .

And seemed acceptable for the punter to be programmed politically with stories with not much credibility.
And how the legal system found its self in disrepute, especially with a certain clergyman, the lynch mob and the legal authorities in Victoria and on the street went after a hanging like a pack of wolves.
Of course the actual case I am not talking about.
the story was not about guilt or innocence , its about how the law operated .

And some very nasty journalists.
Christian Porter and Lamey ( not sure of his name or spelling) two conservative people who were literally murdered out of politics by what could easily have been lies , but the way it was hunted down publicly, made their chances impossible.
All those who filled the battle lines against others in politics and with influence, are, in my opinion of the left and they are those that in my opinion, are the instigators of anti-Australian commentary happening now.

A list, well who is it that wants to vandalise statues , who is it that promotes hate Australia day, who is it that decides that aboriginals should begin to hate all over again, for things from the past, and using lies and attacks.
When the information some feed out, is bare faced lies, exaggerations or imagination.

That is part of the dirty foul politics that were played at that time. The Racism from a dumb man caused hatred.

Albanese's VOICE did not help in fact turned Australian against Australian, and brought out the Hate-Australia promoters from the Aboriginal elites, most politically driven , to gain influence and a "voice" that created hate of other Australians, it created hate your background your race, it was racism pure.

It was fortunate that a lot of Aboriginal people did not see this Voice as some saviour but as a danger to Aboriginals and reconciliation, which was approaching fruition, until activists joined in the Uluru statement treaties etc and "we want our nation back" .
Describing themselves as a First Nation, when there were hundreds of tribes. Those immigrants from Africa then Asia were first alright.
But first arrivals along with arrivals over thousands of years through the history of this island continent..

Well the nation is everybody's and those who will not conform to that thinking are those who wanted a racist Voice set up

And it is they who influence the hate Australia politics, hate the day itself, hate the freedom it brings, hate the best place to live on earth, hate white European settlement, old and new migration, hate Asian Australians hate Australia full stop.

I believe that every Australian, that doesn't fit their criteria, they think we are a racist hurtful nasty people who all put down different minorities like LGBTQI, they don't!
They perhaps like most in the world don't want things rammed down their throats, but accept it anyway.

Australia hating, is designed through minority ideals, like some few who want to be called it or that , they are those who wish to have the thinking they possess! To be forced on everyone, the majority included.
Yet the majority try, to be sympathetic. Look in other areas as well.

You want hate promotion demonstrated HATE! Try looking at certain councils in Australia?

80 councils I believe, have not allowed Naturalisation ceremonies for new Australians be carried out, the Greater Geelong council banned using the term Australia day in any correspondence. How do these terrible people, looking to only one side, get into councils.

Then the hate gets to explosion point , when we see Australians hatred , against an ally and march the streets like things we've seen in the past.
.
All decent Australians in this country hate death and destruction, would like to see Palestine get a state.

Yet some have not the brains to look at full history, and do not have the brains to see the difference between a massacre murder ambush and a bombing for a finish to murderers, yes with collateral damage! Whose fault was that????

NO war has NO COLLATERAL DAMAGE. A murderer hides behind anything he/she can get to hide behind even their own people? Who started that war , I know who.

I also know how allies bombed Germany into the ground to kill off Nazism, any one understand the point here?

Israel is indigenous to that region , they deserve a home , as do the later arrivals who call themselves Palestinian Arabs?
Maybe Philistines?

But murder is not the way to make peace and live together.Some pick the wrong side..

I see our government now? They say NOTHING , no comment over preaching of hatred by certain people in this Australia now.

Then some trying to match the hate Australia with the Aboriginal situation here, as if they were facing the same as Palestinians.

What rot , I suspect most love Australia its minorities for probably political reasons who promote a hatred , and they are a minority, and need weeding out . Then have explained to them they need to love Australia , because other countries will not give you what you get here.

If you cannot see that hating your home because of politically crap fights and misreadings of things that happened, you doom the friggin country to the sh*t you watch in your over seas news telecasts.

That how I see this place changing for the absolute worst. There must be some time for us to get back to who we all are, all the mixes all the people, Australians. I think we have a dangerous gov leading this place right now?

Brainwashing plebs? That’ll be the right wing media. You look at anything right from the media and it’s a full blown attack on on the left. It isnt news. The green left has got its way into the media because it’s called progress. Right wing outlets have dominated Australia. You ever heard the name Murdoch?

George Pell had multiple victims accuse him of sexual assault, it wasn’t just made up. Sexual abuse perpetrated by clergyman was rife, it would have been killed off centuries ago if the fish didn’t rot from the head. Christian Porter had his career ended because he was a sexual abuser and a misogynistic pig. Thats been confirmed.

Promoting anti Australia Day sentiments are fine. It’s a shit day that is a slap in the face to the indigenous because the English invaded and just took over. Giving a view to the Indigenous about the new date is damned overdue. You’d obviously be ok with Russia one day changing the national day of Ukraine after what we’ve seen?

Australia is divided, and it isn’t due to the left. We’ve had majority LNP governments since federation.

 

[Carringbush2010]

there’s everything patriotic about saying we embrace people from anywhere but we don’t embrace campaigners from anywhere

Thankyou,

Everyone this ^ is what patriotism is in part. It's also pride in achievement of what individuals / groups accomplish. In any field.

It's not flag waving racist white bogans that don't give a sh*t about anyone else, they're just flag waving racist white bogans that don't give a sh*t about anyone else.

Patriotism by its true definition is NOT racism.

Capitalism I appreciate. It’s given me opportunity and I’ve benefited from it. I think everyone should have the ability to succeed through innovation, extension of their ideas, filling gaps in markets and circulating ideas. I don’t include negative gearing or some certain tax concessions as part of that. It’s just policy to make the rich richer. Capitalism needs to have responsibility, social and environmental. Pay people properly, treat them right and don’t ruin the environment more than it is.

The model of capitalism is noble in sentiment, unfortunately in this country what we have is profiteering enabled by lack of competition. How much of an effect it has on other liberal democracies (western societies) I don't really know, I imagine to some effect.

Allan Fels report from the National press club.

National Press Club Address: Professor Allan Fels

Professor Allan Fels addresses the National Press Club on the Release of the Inquiry into price gouging and unfair pricing practices.

iview.abc.net.au

^ The price gouging is not the intent of capitalism.

 

[demondavey]

Thankyou,

Everyone this ^ is what patriotism is in part. It's also pride in achievement of what individuals / groups accomplish. In any field.

It's not flag waving racist white bogans that don't give a sh*t about anyone else, they're just flag waving racist white bogans that don't give a sh*t about anyone else.

Patriotism by its true definition is NOT racism.

The model of capitalism is noble in sentiment, unfortunately in this country what we have is profiteering enabled by lack of competition. How much of an effect it has on other liberal democracies (western societies) I don't really know, I imagine to some effect.

Allan Fels report from the National press club.

National Press Club Address: Professor Allan Fels

Professor Allan Fels addresses the National Press Club on the Release of the Inquiry into price gouging and unfair pricing practices.

iview.abc.net.au

^ The price gouging is not the intent of capitalism.

Agree. Capitalism is going too far. Money makes people greedy. The concept of it is good thing, however we are seeing side effects now.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Agree. Capitalism profiteering is going too far. Money makes people greedy. The concept of it is good thing, however we are seeing side effects now.

Capitalism:

Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit.

In other words, competition in free market, that is the intent of capitalism. Combine that in a liberal democracy that allows just about anyone opportunity to profit without dissolving any competition.

What we have now (in this county at least) is monopolies and duopolies that stifle free market, in other words lack of competition (in this country at least).

As professor Fels has outlined, it's not just that either, there are policy gaps that also enable the price gouging from campaigner companies.

This is a good discussion Dave.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Brainwashing plebs? That’ll be the right wing media. You look at anything right from the media and it’s a full blown attack on on the left. It isnt news. The green left has got its way into the media because it’s called progress. Right wing outlets have dominated Australia. You ever heard the name Murdoch?

George Pell had multiple victims accuse him of sexual assault, it wasn’t just made up. Sexual abuse perpetrated by clergyman was rife, it would have been killed off centuries ago if the fish didn’t rot from the head. Christian Porter had his career ended because he was a sexual abuser and a misogynistic pig. Thats been confirmed.

Promoting anti Australia Day sentiments are fine. It’s a s**t day that is a slap in the face to the indigenous because the English invaded and just took over. Giving a view to the Indigenous about the new date is damned overdue. You’d obviously be ok with Russia one day changing the national day of Ukraine after what we’ve seen?

Australia is divided, and it isn’t due to the left. We’ve had majority LNP governments since federation.

Well for a starter Mr Left, your generalising! The right wing rubbish of the extreme are the plebs too maybe.
You assume what you can't put into words, the Russia thing and a sh*t day that we call Australia day.
Nice of you, maybe you'd like to live in the USA???

But the plebs I am talking about are those, some I know, some are family , who simply do not follow what goes on around them vote for a party cause mum and dad did, or they believe rhetoric and lying because no such a good bloke could not bull-sh*t to us, go along with character assassination,
you want to condemn Pell go for it,but be very very careful how you approach it, he was found innocent and the talk right now about Pell already dead, is about this instance and I have no idea of anything else.
But you, as a cancel crew do, a youngster and only see what you are fed. And some peer pressure.
Like voting plebs. You want to be careful of unthought out accusations.
You consider guilty before due process.

Like the Vic cops did and like the Vic judges and VIC Higher Court still finding him guilty after no evidence could prove it. High court of Australia threw it in the bin.
If you want to make politics out of that instance watch your legal backside.

PS every body hates pedophiles but they have to be pedophiles , do you see???? Probably not.

Now the English did not invade anyone! They arrived with several hundred convicts, and some red coat guards , yes a mighty armada I must say???

But Australia day was the arrival , same as those who appeared out of the north from 65 thousand years ago.
Arrivals different tribes different people's, and they didn't all fly in on the same day.
There was more than English that set foot on this dirt. And long before any sailing ships may have sailed past.
If you want a debate, just be aware some original arrivals may have after 2 or 3 thousand years found some more arrivals and had no idea who they were, how can you know, what they may have thought, maybe the same as what the local tribes in 1788 thought?
When the sailing ships came in. Angry , frightened , aggressive , peaceful ?

I've been through my family history and my family arrived here a decade after the First Fleet, and a miserable load of convicts. Where barely half of them survived the horror of the transport.
They came on the Hillsborough , shit isn't that a name that goes well with talking about horror.
Remember the soccer crush and deaths.
Also those folk were a product of their time.
And you may enjoy the destruction of what makes our country that we all belong to, great today!
And it is so far.

You may regret it too when the reality brain twig hits you. We are one people and we better ALL realise it.

But progressive over politically correct climate change global warming left wing ideology, is filtered through buy universities and by teachers and by non peer checked supposed scientists making claims that fall into the sewerage pit.
Not just one either. Global warming cooling you know the drill been happening for 3.5 billion years, but you know that because you are a follower and a person who believes what he's/she's told whether its good or bad you fit it into a suitable place for you to follow it and not see anything.
Not inside yourself but from group belief propaganda and never seeing where you were misled and so wrong.
I was a dick-head, ( yep you can make a crack out of that heh heh), you got no of my politics .
And seeing things because I got into an area that showed me what was really the agenda's
My side were a pack of slimy dogs from Rudd onwards.
This ALP... is not THE ALP its dead, that one, its 2024 if we keep kicking the heads each other over a date which won't change the attitudes of mad dog activists. Those who want apartheid and love Hamas.

Those who can only think one way and those who follow without a word of question no self thought, we will have a highway to fascism, and those who don't give a stuff will really really give a really heavy duty stuff! If you get my drift.
The new left green are frightening to many, because of the cyber highway and easily led non thinkers by habit.
And foolish wanna be's who should never be??? What do you reckon Davey!

 

[Cap]

Post in thread 'Politically Correct Madness' Opinion - Politically Correct Madness

Imagine being one of the stooges that blindly listen to what the western media dish up then refuse to want to listen to anything that may be to the contrary - that's a fair stooge!

So this is the type of Anti Western sentiment that is way worse than anything we see from people upset they can't buy a house

These right wing conspiracy theorists who go out of their way to talk down the West to the benefit of Putin, seem far more destructive.

 

[CM86]

The most anti-Western sentiment in Western societies that I've seen in my lifetime, are the people with positions of influence through wealth or power, who determine who or what is accepted or demonised in our society.

One of the most important and most powerful aspects of a Western society, is the fact that members of this society are able to legally and freely express their concerns or condemnation of the system/society.

It's the people fighting against that, and fighting them that are truly expressing anti-Western sentiment.
And more often than not, it isn't the aspects of a truly Western society that they are appealing for, it's a white society dominated by white men, and religion.

 

[demondavey]

Well for a starter Mr Left, your generalising! The right wing rubbish of the extreme are the plebs too maybe.
You assume what you can't put into words, the Russia thing and a sh*t day that we call Australia day.
Nice of you, maybe you'd like to live in the USA???

But the plebs I am talking about are those, some I know, some are family , who simply do not follow what goes on around them vote for a party cause mum and dad did, or they believe rhetoric and lying because no such a good bloke could not bull-sh*t to us, go along with character assassination,
you want to condemn Pell go for it,but be very very careful how you approach it, he was found innocent and the talk right now about Pell already dead, is about this instance and I have no idea of anything else.
But you, as a cancel crew do, a youngster and only see what you are fed. And some peer pressure.
Like voting plebs. You want to be careful of unthought out accusations.
You consider guilty before due process.

Like the Vic cops did and like the Vic judges and VIC Higher Court still finding him guilty after no evidence could prove it. High court of Australia threw it in the bin.
If you want to make politics out of that instance watch your legal backside.

PS every body hates pedophiles but they have to be pedophiles , do you see???? Probably not.

Now the English did not invade anyone! They arrived with several hundred convicts, and some red coat guards , yes a mighty armada I must say???

But Australia day was the arrival , same as those who appeared out of the north from 65 thousand years ago.
Arrivals different tribes different people's, and they didn't all fly in on the same day.
There was more than English that set foot on this dirt. And long before any sailing ships may have sailed past.
If you want a debate, just be aware some original arrivals may have after 2 or 3 thousand years found some more arrivals and had no idea who they were, how can you know, what they may have thought, maybe the same as what the local tribes in 1788 thought?
When the sailing ships came in. Angry , frightened , aggressive , peaceful ?

I've been through my family history and my family arrived here a decade after the First Fleet, and a miserable load of convicts. Where barely half of them survived the horror of the transport.
They came on the Hillsborough , s**t isn't that a name that goes well with talking about horror.
Remember the soccer crush and deaths.
Also those folk were a product of their time.
And you may enjoy the destruction of what makes our country that we all belong to, great today!
And it is so far.

You may regret it too when the reality brain twig hits you. We are one people and we better ALL realise it.

But progressive over politically correct climate change global warming left wing ideology, is filtered through buy universities and by teachers and by non peer checked supposed scientists making claims that fall into the sewerage pit.
Not just one either. Global warming cooling you know the drill been happening for 3.5 billion years, but you know that because you are a follower and a person who believes what he's/she's told whether its good or bad you fit it into a suitable place for you to follow it and not see anything.
Not inside yourself but from group belief propaganda and never seeing where you were misled and so wrong.
I was a dick-head, ( yep you can make a crack out of that heh heh), you got no of my politics .
And seeing things because I got into an area that showed me what was really the agenda's
My side were a pack of slimy dogs from Rudd onwards.
This ALP... is not THE ALP its dead, that one, its 2024 if we keep kicking the heads each other over a date which won't change the attitudes of mad dog activists. Those who want apartheid and love Hamas.

Those who can only think one way and those who follow without a word of question no self thought, we will have a highway to fascism, and those who don't give a stuff will really really give a really heavy duty stuff! If you get my drift.
The new left green are frightening to many, because of the cyber highway and easily led non thinkers by habit.
And foolish wanna be's who should never be??? What do you reckon Davey!

I reckon you’re a bit unhinged.

 

[Gethelred]

Well for a starter Mr Left, your generalising! The right wing rubbish of the extreme are the plebs too maybe.
You assume what you can't put into words, the Russia thing and a sh*t day that we call Australia day.
Nice of you, maybe you'd like to live in the USA???

But the plebs I am talking about are those, some I know, some are family , who simply do not follow what goes on around them vote for a party cause mum and dad did, or they believe rhetoric and lying because no such a good bloke could not bull-sh*t to us, go along with character assassination,
you want to condemn Pell go for it,but be very very careful how you approach it, he was found innocent and the talk right now about Pell already dead, is about this instance and I have no idea of anything else.
But you, as a cancel crew do, a youngster and only see what you are fed. And some peer pressure.
Like voting plebs. You want to be careful of unthought out accusations.
You consider guilty before due process.

Like the Vic cops did and like the Vic judges and VIC Higher Court still finding him guilty after no evidence could prove it. High court of Australia threw it in the bin.
If you want to make politics out of that instance watch your legal backside.

PS every body hates pedophiles but they have to be pedophiles , do you see???? Probably not.

Now the English did not invade anyone! They arrived with several hundred convicts, and some red coat guards , yes a mighty armada I must say???

But Australia day was the arrival , same as those who appeared out of the north from 65 thousand years ago.
Arrivals different tribes different people's, and they didn't all fly in on the same day.
There was more than English that set foot on this dirt. And long before any sailing ships may have sailed past.
If you want a debate, just be aware some original arrivals may have after 2 or 3 thousand years found some more arrivals and had no idea who they were, how can you know, what they may have thought, maybe the same as what the local tribes in 1788 thought?
When the sailing ships came in. Angry , frightened , aggressive , peaceful ?

I've been through my family history and my family arrived here a decade after the First Fleet, and a miserable load of convicts. Where barely half of them survived the horror of the transport.
They came on the Hillsborough , s**t isn't that a name that goes well with talking about horror.
Remember the soccer crush and deaths.
Also those folk were a product of their time.
And you may enjoy the destruction of what makes our country that we all belong to, great today!
And it is so far.

You may regret it too when the reality brain twig hits you. We are one people and we better ALL realise it.

But progressive over politically correct climate change global warming left wing ideology, is filtered through buy universities and by teachers and by non peer checked supposed scientists making claims that fall into the sewerage pit.
Not just one either. Global warming cooling you know the drill been happening for 3.5 billion years, but you know that because you are a follower and a person who believes what he's/she's told whether its good or bad you fit it into a suitable place for you to follow it and not see anything.
Not inside yourself but from group belief propaganda and never seeing where you were misled and so wrong.
I was a dick-head, ( yep you can make a crack out of that heh heh), you got no of my politics .
And seeing things because I got into an area that showed me what was really the agenda's
My side were a pack of slimy dogs from Rudd onwards.
This ALP... is not THE ALP its dead, that one, its 2024 if we keep kicking the heads each other over a date which won't change the attitudes of mad dog activists. Those who want apartheid and love Hamas.

Those who can only think one way and those who follow without a word of question no self thought, we will have a highway to fascism, and those who don't give a stuff will really really give a really heavy duty stuff! If you get my drift.
The new left green are frightening to many, because of the cyber highway and easily led non thinkers by habit.
And foolish wanna be's who should never be??? What do you reckon Davey!

 

[JoondalupJ]

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So this is the type of Anti Western sentiment that is way worse than anything we see from people upset they can't buy a house

These right wing conspiracy theorists who go out of their way to talk down the West to the benefit of Putin, seem far more destructive.

I doubt if I've ever read anything like RIGHT wing conspiracying theorists who go out of their way to talk down the West TO BENEFIT PUTIN! WHAT????
It's more baffling than most words I've ever read on Big F.
You are either tongue in the cheek or being jokingly provocative.
There have always been right wing pretender Nazis and over the top capitalist types that sound like, all they ever worry about is their pocket and a blind view of the world calling everyone who disagrees with them commies, well there is no such thing as commies. They are called dictatorships.

We humans can't do it, it either brings heartache for nations or war and death.. Its known as GREED.

And if there is any conspiracy and mind bending from anyone at all it is the over the top left green souls that have a warped sense of science reality, peer discussion and dispute, even an argument in some cases that doesn't suit the fanatic is cancelled.

RIGHT wing d*ck brains are generally aggro and out of touch. Are serious extremists and most of the time people can pick em out.

But the left ( the real false conspirators) these days, is an insidious sneaking minority creating through mind bending propaganda and fear and cyber space that has actually seen the poisoning of what used to be, The ALP.

They've also infiltrated the tax payer driven paid for, ABC to a point that it needs totally overhauling or going to subscription, so it has to pay its way too.
So it can tell the news unbiased at all times. How they have made the last 10 to 15 years so visibly biased to the left, without political intervention has got me baffled.

But that is how fascism begins to take a hold of the majority.
That's why its dangerous this left movement.
It used to save trees and whales and fight for the working class, and the less well off, now the left is a fanatical forced belief, like the cult that the warmers belong too.

This may sound exaggerated but that's how Nazis or Germans influenced by bulldust and fanaticism got sucked into the black whole of severe nationalistic socialism and became haters and murderers of Jews, excused by saying we just did what we were ordered to do.
So they picked a victim, the Jewish population.
Those Jews who survived had to find safe Haven after. They went home, now a fascism of a sort is taking place promoted by the left, the Hamas flag carriers on marches here in Australia! It is bloody frightening when our PM and our ForMin barely comment, it gives a confirmation or points to who they really are with.

Right wing extremism is usually open violent and sometimes Bikie gang related "Nazis" who are actually just crooks. Hah.
So this Australia is looking like it is changing and fancy a Labor government ruining tradition and Australiana, and our modern society torn between racist Voice voting , and climate argument, when we have that, warming cooling freezing catastrophic and have had it or some billions of years.
Now get your teeth into that one.
I wonder if the population actually has any idea of what left and right can mean?

So forgive me, but I don't understand your comment, or maybe you are too smart for me?
And we are on the same row boat.

 

[JoondalupJ]

The most anti-Western sentiment in Western societies that I've seen in my lifetime, are the people with positions of influence through wealth or power, who determine who or what is accepted or demonised in our society.

One of the most important and most powerful aspects of a Western society, is the fact that members of this society are able to legally and freely express their concerns or condemnation of the system/society.

It's the people fighting against that, and fighting them that are truly expressing anti-Western sentiment.
And more often than not, it isn't the aspects of a truly Western society that they are appealing for, it's a white society dominated by white men, and religion.

That sounds racist that last bit, racist anti white . Why is it always white people , what can we list.
Tell me all the bad things on a list and tell me all the good things.
If you listen to Parliament you may have heard the Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea praising Australia for leaving his country in good shape education and better society and the English language, in a place with many many problems and unsettled in some areas. And crime, but they are not helter-skelter!

They have the where with all from colonials like Australia, who didn't set out to massacre every native on the continent like South America like the conquistadores did.
I reckon British colonisation was a very lucky and good thing for natives of different places. Even with the hard and bad times and unfairness out of a different era, and they with advancement in different parts of the world were always coming, always coming. Thank god it was English.
And please don't start lists with slavery, it is as old as human existence, and done by every race that ever existed. Find the good and the bad, and the good and the bad of everything. All comments .

And remember your comments when talking about white fellas, who are rich and have power, I am not sure why the hate for whites I guess some people cannot get over history, or are not geared to look beyond what they were.
Look at Simon Holmes a Court a multi millionaire maybe a billionaire white fella and the Teals, who he bankrolls so I 've read.
So what are the Teals but global warmer fans, and latte sipping upper middle class women it seems mostly, from the cities.
And Holmes a Court is also a climate fanatic. White fella, wonder where his wealth came from. I guess he's created wealth and jobs, but drives down the wrong road. But he upset the apple cart and the plebs followed after a filthy campaign by Teals and ALP. So he might be a white man the me another white man may think he is a dill like Albanese the virtue signaler.
You may agree and you may not, but the list would be interesting and perhaps your white men and religion comment was taken out of context.
I got to get off big footy these arguments never get answered , we are a good country for everyone.
I fear it is being screwed, is what bothers me, and mistruths spread around and lies about science. And numbers and statistics. And fools who don't know who their real friends are. Good luck.

 

[Carringbush2010]

it's a white society dominated by white men, and religion.

Thanks CM for your post.

This bit, while I agree it (Western Liberal democracy) seems it's 'dominated' by 'white' men with conservative ideals and religion.

Influenced? Not even, msm is certainly influenced, coz y'know corporate lobbyists payin off the media and political parties for right leaning 'views'

Most of Jan and Joe public don't gobble that sh*t up though, they just stfu, meh, and get on with their daily lives. They couldn't GAF.

Problem is though that everyone has a belief that msm is a reflection of Jan and Joe publics opinion, think it's popular belief. When it isn't.

The public talk to each other and usually don't agree with fringe opinions / views of any description. Yet believe they're on the outer coz the fringe are the ones making the noise and msm reports it.

 

[Cap]

Thanks CM for your post.

This bit, while I agree it (Western Liberal democracy) seems it's 'dominated' by 'white' men with conservative ideals and religion.

Influenced? Not even, msm is certainly influenced, coz y'know corporate lobbyists payin off the media and political parties for right leaning 'views'

Most of Jan and Joe public don't gobble that sh*t up though, they just stfu, meh, and get on with their daily lives. They couldn't GAF.

Problem is though that everyone has a belief that msm is a reflection of Jan and Joe publics opinion, think it's popular belief. When it isn't.

The public talk to each other and usually don't agree with fringe opinions / views of any description. Yet believe they're on the outer coz the fringe are the ones making the noise and msm reports it.

Do we have a concept of what mainstream media is?

With all the options available what is main stream media.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Do we have a concept of what mainstream media is?

With all the options available what is main stream media.

What is widely available to the public.

Corporate lobbyist slaves, with a couple of exceptions, ABC and maybe SBS

 

[Cap]

What is widely available to the public.

Corporate lobbyist slaves, with a couple of exceptions, ABC and maybe SBS

I know some cookers who use the Daily Wire , do we consider that MSM?

I've seen some others in Australia like the New Daily. I think that is owned by superfunds ?

 

[Carringbush2010]

I know some cookers who use the Daily Wire , do we consider that MSM?

I've seen some others in Australia like the New Daily. I think that is owned by superfunds ?

Daily wire isn't what I think of when I think of msm. I only know them via links on this forum.

Msm IMO are the major TV networks, the ones that everyone knows about, Herald Sun etc.

 

[demondavey]

Do we have a concept of what mainstream media is?

With all the options available what is main stream media.

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