Food, Drink & Dining Out The Perth Thread - Part 3

[Chief]

Part 4 is here:

The Perth Thread - Part 4

Did you see that article in the local paper (not The West Aus) about a forum on the 15th to discuss ways to make crossing Charles st safer/better? I personally don't and have never (even as a child) had an issue with crossing it. Don’t even get me started. Yes it’s difficult to cross and I’m...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Forward Press]

Forward Press in reply to my other post,
I wonder how you would go if you were seperated from your kid or kids, if you have any.

I don't have kids but I don't think the government would separate you from your child if you were in charge of looking after them. There's a difference between needing to look after them for their survival and missing being able to hug them.

 

[ioppolo]

I don't have kids but I don't think the government would separate you from your child if you were in charge of looking after them. There's a difference between needing to look after them for their survival and missing being able to hug them.

You don't think the government would but here we are.

Psychological impact has to account for something

 

[Forward Press]

You don't think the government would but here we are.

Psychological impact has to account for something

I'd like to see evidence of an Australian government refusing a primary caregiver to go and look after their child.

To the second point, of course, but public health takes priority.

 

[TheVapors]

I'd like to see evidence of an Australian government refusing a primary caregiver to go and look after their child.

To the second point, of course, but public health takes priority.

I think we're getting past the point where this is a public health concern.

Keeping a border closed with somewhere like Tasmania, where there are no active cases, a closed border policy with states where there are active cases, and no recorded cases in nearly 50 days is not in the interest of public health. Especially when you compare that with a fairly open international border policy. Just yesterday WA had three citizens return from overseas with Covid.

How is it in the best interest of public health that we can allow returned travellers from international destinations where covid is rampant in the community, but ban WA citizens from returning home from somewhere like Tasmania?

I'm certainly not complaining about our international border policy, but I don't think our hard state border stands up to the health debate any more. Interesting that Andrew Robertson hasn't been heard from since he let it be known that he recommended opening the bored to SA and the NT during the initial Palmer case...

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

How is it in the best interest of public health that we can allow returned travellers from international destinations where covid is rampant in the community, but ban WA citizens from returning home from somewhere like Tasmania?

Tasmanians are allowed back if they fit into an exemption category and things are made easier for them because Tassie is doing a better job than overseas countries.

For example, people from Tassie may be eligible for home quarantine but people from overseas will not be.

People from Tassie will also only be tested once while those from overseas will receive two tests.

 

[Nothing]

LOL conspiracy talk? Ok mate. If I came out with something that doesn't have concrete evidence I'd wear it but c'mon, this one's in mainstream internet now

It is conspiracy talk. Indeed, it has been pointed out why it is a fallacy.

Claims on CDC data for COVID-19 incorrect, say experts

An Instagram post claims that a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report

www.aap.com.au

You've jumped on the differentiation of died of COVID and died with COVID. Deaths from people who died with COVID are still attributable to COVID - the person would not have died if they had not contracted COVID at that time. This is the case with all related causes of death in Australia, including heart disease, flu and most of the other causes you argued this is "better" than.

USA have had 200K of deaths that may not have occurred if they didn't contract COVID.

 

[TheVapors]

Tasmanians are allowed back if they fit into an exemption category and things are made easier for them because Tassie is doing a better job than overseas countries.

For example, people from Tassie may be eligible for home quarantine but people from overseas will not be.

People from Tassie will also only be tested once while those from overseas will receive two tests.

Easier in some respects if they get in, but not easier to get into WA. Someone from Tasmania still needs a legitimate reason to get in to WA. Simply wanting to return to WA wouldn't allow someone from Tasmania to get across the border.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone returning from overseas can enter WA as long as they are an Australian citizen. They just need to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks. From any other state in Australia, people will need to apply for a G2G pass to be granted access to cross the border. Is that correct?

 

[scottishfiction]

I'd like to see evidence of an Australian government refusing a primary caregiver to go and look after their child.

To the second point, of course, but public health takes priority.

but this is what's so frustrating, people go on about 'public health' and 'the pandemic' without actually examining the numbers.

this could have been a widespread public health issue. we expected that in March. but it's not.

it's something that's generally asymptomatic and something that essentially targets a small minority of the public – with an even smaller lethality percentage.

it's not like it's infecting half the population and killing 10% of it.

it's most benign to most of the population.

the effects are disproportionate to the health effects.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Easier in some respects if they get in, but not easier to get into WA. Someone from Tasmania still needs a legitimate reason to get in to WA. Simply wanting to return to WA wouldn't allow someone from Tasmania to get across the border.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone returning from overseas can enter WA as long as they are an Australian citizen. They just need to quarantine in a hotel for two weeks. From any other state in Australia, people will need to apply for a G2G pass to be granted access to cross the border. Is that correct?

Yeah, that's pretty logical to me though. Australians returning to Australia should be given priority over Tasmanian's wanting to come to WA.

 

[TheVapors]

Yeah, that's pretty logical to me though. Australians returning to Australia should be given priority over Tasmanian's wanting to come to WA.

But the question isn't if Tasmanian's can visit WA, it's why Western Australians trying to get back into WA from other states aren't allowed based on health advice. There would be plenty of Western Australians currently in other states that don't meet the criteria to return to WA. Why is it unsafe from a health perspective for them to cross the border into WA and undergo some form of quarantine, but not an issue for Australians coming back from overseas?

 

[Forward Press]

But the question isn't if Tasmanian's can visit WA, it's why Western Australians trying to get back into WA from other states aren't allowed based on health advice. There would be plenty of Western Australians currently in other states that don't meet the criteria to return to WA. Why is it unsafe from a health perspective for them to cross the border into WA and undergo some form of quarantine, but not an issue for Australians coming back from overseas?

Australian citizens have an undeniable right to return to Australia, but West Australian residents don't have an undeniable right to return to WA.

 

[craigos]

WA, SA, NT, ACT & TAS should be able to travel freely to each other. If those states haven't set themselves up to deal with any potential new cases after all this time then they never will and the numbers can literally not get any lower.

This is 100% political and has tapped into parochialism that I thought had long died.

 

[TheVapors]

Australian citizens have an undeniable right to return to Australia, but West Australian residents don't have an undeniable right to return to WA.

If that's true, denied under what reason?

 

[Forward Press]

If that's true, denied under what reason?

You're not a citizen of WA, you're a citizen of Australia.

 

[TheVapors]

You're not a citizen of WA, you're a citizen of Australia.

That wasn't really the point of the question. The point was what are justifiable reasons to deny Australian citizens the right to cross state borders, and how does the states current reasoning align with what is happening in somewhere like Tasmania. I don't think the health argument applies to all other states in Australia, this is more of a political and economic issue, and is that a justifiable reason to keep the border closed to all other Australian states.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Argh! I would like to formally apologise to everyone for bringing COVID talk to the Perth thread.

 

[Billy ray]

Argh! I would like to formally apologise to everyone for bringing COVID talk to the Perth thread.

if we go back and change all references to covid to say hosing or heat,a dry heat, it will be all ok

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

if we go back and change all references to covid to say hosing or heat,a dry heat, it will be all ok

Speaking of, how good is the weather today?

Maybe a little bit warm but I appreciate the change.

 

[Big Cox 88]

Why is McGowan using state (tax payer) funds to sue Palmer for defamation? It is a private personal claim!

 

[Forward Press]

Why is McGowan using state (tax payer) funds to sue Palmer for defamation? It is a private personal claim!

WA Premier sues Clive Palmer in latest instalment of growing legal stoush

A growing legal stoush between the WA Premier and Clive Palmer takes a new turn, with Mark McGowan launching his own defamation lawsuit against the businessman.

www.abc.net.au

"I've been advised to put in a crossclaim against him because of some of the very defamatory comments he's made against me," Mr McGowan said.

"Any money that comes out of this defamation proceeding will go directly to the state, so the taxpayers will be a winner, if you like, out of Mr Palmer's very defamatory comments that he's made."

It's a counterclaim, so it's not a separate trial, but rather a way to recoup some of the money should Palmer lose.

 

[kane249]

You're not a citizen of WA, you're a citizen of Australia.

Bring back the Hutt River Province!

 

[JackOutback]

Why is McGowan using state (tax payer) funds to sue Palmer for defamation? It is a private personal claim!

Legal manoeuvring to mitigate Palmer's claims. It's not really a personal claim and I doubt he cares what Palmer calls him (vice versa, Palmer's initial defamation claim was equally a ploy).

 

[Reynolds Number]

Australian citizens should be allowed to return to the address they have on their government documents once they have quarantined.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Argh! I would like to formally apologise to everyone for bringing COVID talk to the Perth thread.

think we need to overwhelm it with the usual talk in this thread - really do love people doing 85-90 on the freeway in the middle lane and getting overtaken by people in the other lanes, simply great driving.

 

[Off The Couch]