The on topic thread 3.0

[Latro]

Hopefully the post Pep years will be a way away off yet.

But we've got direction, we're forward thinking and we've got a good young squad.

Our expectations for the next guy should be high.

Hope it is Arteta

 

[Cruyff14]

Ooooooft



Sell RVP
Start Rooney and Suarez
Bench Salah

 

[Jatz]

Ooooooft

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Bin RVP
Start Rooney and Suarez
Bench Salah

Bin RVP
Start Suarez and Salah
Bench Rooney (although a terrible super sub haha)

 

[Sphynx]

We're f’ed when Klopp leaves. We just have to enjoy it while it lasts.

You are 4th on the wage table, you are technically outperforming your position (so is Man City who is 3rd) but let’s not pretend he’s a miracle worker, you have one of the largest wage bills in world football.

 

[glenferry23]

Ooooooft

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Sell RVP
Start Rooney and Suarez
Bench Salah

First step to ask RvP what does the little boy inside of him want to do.

 

[Zidane98]

First step to ask RvP what does the little boy inside of him want to do.

RVP was an overrated spud anyway back in his Arsenal days.

 

[glenferry23]

RVP was an overrated spud anyway back in his Arsenal days.

He was very injury prone the majority of his Arsenal career. The last 18 months however, he was genuinely world class. And he was instrumental in winning United the league in his first season there.

 

[Gameova_]

RVP was an overrated spud anyway back in his Arsenal days.

ROFL

 

[Indie_]

You are 4th on the wage table, you are technically outperforming your position (so is Man City who is 3rd) but let’s not pretend he’s a miracle worker, you have one of the largest wage bills in world football.

The miracle was getting a team that was in free fall under Rodgers and within 3/4 years getting them into title contention.

We were nowhere on the wage table compared to City/United/Chelsea when Klopp took over (we didn’t have players worth paying that much) and certainly couldn’t attract the quality of player they could. Even Arsenal had more pull than we did - see Alexis Sanchez. Klopp built a culture of success and football which a) got us back into the Champions League, giving us the associated drawing power and revenue b) made players want to come to Liverpool again and c) made the owners feel like backing the club with increased expenditure on wages and transfers.

You’re right that the team as currently constituted should be performing at an extremely high level, given the wage bill and transfer expenditure but what Klopp did to get the club to that point from where it was when he took over is one of the best managerial jobs of the century.

It’s far from certain that when he leaves, player development and recruitment maintains at the same level it has been under him. How many times has a generational manager left a club in England, and the club hasn’t missed a beat? Liverpool after Shankly and Paisley is about the only example I can think of, and that was 40/50 years ago.

 

[Sphynx]

The miracle was getting a team that was in free fall under Rodgers and within 3/4 years getting them into title contention.

We were nowhere on the wage table compared to City/United/Chelsea when Klopp took over (we didn’t have players worth paying that much) and certainly couldn’t attract the quality of player they could. Even Arsenal had more pull than we did - see Alexis Sanchez. Klopp built a culture of success and football which a) got us back into the Champions League, giving us the associated drawing power and revenue b) made players want to come to Liverpool again and c) made the owners feel like backing the club with increased expenditure on wages and transfers.

You’re right that the team as currently constituted should be performing at an extremely high level, given the wage bill and transfer expenditure but what Klopp did to get the club to that point from where it was when he took over is one of the best managerial jobs of the century.

It’s far from certain that when he leaves, player development and recruitment maintains at the same level it has been under him. How many times has a generational manager left a club in England, and the club hasn’t missed a beat? Liverpool after Shankly and Paisley is about the only example I can think of, and that was 40/50 years ago.

Never change Liverpool fans.

It’s not even the best managerial job of the decade, let alone the century.

Yes, he took over a side that was 10th in the league in October but also a side that went on to make the Europa League final the season he took over.

Hardly Ranieri and Leicester is it?

As far as smooth transitions of era’s, George Graham into Arsene Wenger is another obvious one.

 

[Indie_]

Never change Liverpool fans.

It’s not even the best managerial job of the decade, let alone the century.

Yes, he took over a side that was 10th in the league in October but also a side that went on to make the Europa League final the season he took over.

Hardly Ranieri and Leicester is it?

As far as smooth transitions of era’s, George Graham into Arsene Wenger is another obvious one.

1. I didn’t say it was the best job, I said it was one of the best. I agree Ranieri with Leicester would be the best. But if you want to keep arguing against arguments which were never made, be my guest.

2. He clearly was the main driving force behind getting that team to the Europa League Final. That wasn’t happening under Rodgers/99% of other managers.

3. Wenger didn’t succeed Graham, Bruce Rioch did. Arsenal finished a distant 5th in the league.

 

[Sphynx]

1. I didn’t say it was the best job, I said it was one of the best. I agree Ranieri with Leicester would be the best. But if you want to keep arguing against arguments which were never made, be my guest.

2. He clearly was the main driving force behind getting that team to the Europa League Final. That wasn’t happening under Rodgers/99% of other managers.

3. Wenger didn’t succeed Graham, Bruce Rioch did. Arsenal finished a distant 5th in the league.

Yes, 99% of managers couldn’t take over a side that finished runners up in the PL 18 months prior to a Europa League final a few months later….

Monumental effort. Unprecedented.

 

[SM]

1. I didn’t say it was the best job, I said it was one of the best. I agree Ranieri with Leicester would be the best. But if you want to keep arguing against arguments which were never made, be my guest.

2. He clearly was the main driving force behind getting that team to the Europa League Final. That wasn’t happening under Rodgers/99% of other managers.

3. Wenger didn’t succeed Graham, Bruce Rioch did. Arsenal finished a distant 5th in the league.

Didn't Tuchel take a Lampard side that was struggling to win the CL?

 

[Sphynx]

Didn't Tuchel take a Lampard side that was struggling to win the CL?

He must be the 1%

 

[SM]

And Shakespeare took a Leicester side plummeting under Ranieri to the CL Quarter Finals.

That's a big 1%.

 

[Sphynx]

3. Wenger didn’t succeed Graham, Bruce Rioch did. Arsenal finished a distant 5th in the league.

You are correct.

Mancini into Pellegrini

Mourinho into Conte

Probably also qualify.

 

[Indie_]

Yes, 99% of managers couldn’t take over a side that finished runners up in the PL 18 months prior to a Europa League final a few months later….

Monumental effort. Unprecedented.

Ahh yes. Those two teams almost identical. Definitely no key players from that 13/14 side were missing when Klopp took over.

Didn't Tuchel take a Lampard side that was struggling to win the CL?

That is also one of the better managerial jobs we’ve seen in recent times. Tuchel is widely regarded as one of the best 5 managers in the world. So yes, he is quite literally the 1%. Not sure what relevance that has to the point I made though? But it does remind me that, Klopp beat Tuchel with an inferior team during that Europa League Final run.

You are correct.

Mancini into Pellegrini

Mourinho into Conte

Probably also qualify.

Mancini isn’t a generational manager, and certainly was not responsible for the success of that Man City team to the degree as someone like Ferguson was at United when they won in 12/13, Wenger at Arsenal or Klopp at Liverpool.

The Chelsea team under Mourinho finished mid table. It was clear that they were getting a massive upgrade at manager with Conte and that they needed a new manager. Not sure it fits under the category of a club not missing a beat after experiencing great success under an incredibly influential/important manager.

You’re just listing managers who did a good job in their first season with no regard for whether the context makes sense within the frame of the discussion. The whole point is that it’s incredibly difficult to replace a manager who is one of the best in the world and probably the main reason behind the success of a club over a long period of time. United fell after Ferguson left, Arsenal suffered after Wenger left, etc. I’m not sure why that’s such a controversial opinion.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

 

[jod23]

Bin RVP
Start Suarez and Salah
Bench Rooney (although a terrible super sub haha)

This is the correct answer. RVP the obvious bin, not on the same level as the others.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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[jod23]

For me there is a massive difference between the job Ranieri did at Leicester and the job Klopp has done at Liverpool. One was a crazy lightning in a bottle, incredible one off achievement. The other is building a club from the ground up to become the best team or equal with City as the best team in the world for a prolonged amount of time.

Vastly different.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

For me there is a massive difference between the job Ranieri did at Leicester and the job Klopp has done at Liverpool. One was a crazy lightning in a bottle, incredible one off achievement. The other is building a club from the ground up to become the best team or equal with City as the best team in the world for a prolonged amount of time.

Vastly different.

Diminish Leicester to make it all about LFC.
Classic Jod.

 

[chef]

For me there is a massive difference between the job Ranieri did at Leicester and the job Klopp has done at Liverpool. One was a crazy lightning in a bottle, incredible one off achievement. The other is building a club from the ground up to become the best team or equal with City as the best team in the world for a prolonged amount of time.

Vastly different.

Both won the same amount of prem titles so not all that different

 

[jod23]

Both won the same amount of prem titles so not all that different

So far

 

[chef]