The never ending Priddis debate - part II

[Eastern Rangers]

I think the pro-priddis crowd like Matt for the same reason some folk liked George Bush Jnr.

Despite obvious flaws, he had a go, got to the top, and proved to us all that it doesnt matter what natural ability you possess - you can make it to the top of any field with preceverance.

I dont think GB. Jnr was the man for the job either.

That was GB.Snr. Jnr was gifted his presidency.

Go Jeb 2016!!!

 

[Eastern Rangers]

So, for a hundred odd years footy has got it wrong by tasking the adjudicators of the actual match with determing who the better players were? And now there's 3 of them who convene to work out the votes wouldn't that actually give an even broader perspective?

The tagging question's been answered before; indirectly by Roos and Thompson on AFL 360 last year: you tag players who can be affected by tags rather than simply sending a tagger to the best player. Priddis has shown that tagging him generally has little effect whereas Shuey and Gaff have struggled with tags. And you can't realistically tag more than two.

And sorry, but if the Adelaide game was a complete outlier how did he rack up all those votes in the other games in a myriad of polls?

And your "majority" logic falls flat; we all have to vote whether we like it or not (or at least get the ballot), the informed and the uninformed, whereas those awards Priddis has excelled in are voted on by a select few who are chosen for their knowledge and insight. Also Abbott is now being judged in a role he hadn't played before, PM. Likewise Rudd/Gillard looked good in the 2s (as opposition leaders) but couldn't handle the step up to the top league.

Most of this post is nonsense and not actually football related in the slightest.

But you're not going to clarify this point? either out of ignorance or deception.

The reason why Priddis isn't tagged isn't because he can't be rendered utterly ineffectual. It's because the gap in influence between Priddis operating unattended and operating under duress is minimal most of the time and a run with player would be far more effective elsewhere. Why is it more effective to tag others, some are innate to the game and some are specific to Priddis and his type.

A stoppage player is effectively the player furthest from goal in any scoring chain. Which means less chance of involvement in scoring chains, because ultimately a team of going to have the ball 20 something times between scoring opportunities. Now compared to most they are still extremely influential, the sheer volume of ball makes them influential. It's position related, but just getting hands on the ball isn't enough to warrant a tag. You need to represent a threat with ball in hand.

So while being a good clearance player necessarily makes you less of a priority by nature of how it's harder for you to directly impact the scoreboard or be involved in plays that do. That doesn't automatically ring true for well rounded (or simply better) players, or stoppage players with more strings on their bow (also better all the time).

Now to Shuey momentarily.

The interesting thing here is that you suggest Shuey can't deal with a tag, which isn't true. Elements of Shuey's game suffer as a result of being tagged, if his run is blocked it's not blocked because Shuey isn't good enough. It's because he's physically been blocked and hasn't had someone blocking for him. If Shuey can't find space it's not because he's deficient at doing so it's because he's carrying luggage with him that prevents him from "being an option" in space. Instead Shuey is forced into playing a highly contested brand of football when he wares the hard tag. He has to go back into traffic and into high congestion to get his hands on the ball directly. As soon as he's forced to do this, the opposition win and we lose. But that wouldn't be the case, not if we had someone to switch to a slightly more outside/ offensive role form the inside or if we had other player. Anyone other than Shuey in the upper echelon of midfield talent.

The same applies to Gaff, only Gaff can't fall back on his contested game. At least there is a tiny bit of hope that Gaff can improve his contested game to the point where he's not a total deadweight when tagged.

So Priddis doesn't have magical abilities that Shuey doesn't. Abilities that allows him to get meters on his opponent to find space or get around an opponent who's blocked his run for the handball receive, otherwise we'd have seen them used to good effect in more diverse role than "slow arse stoppage desperado".

So as i was saying before i addressed Shuey.

Quality, a threat, influence. All words that ring true to any player that's ever been worth tagging. Such players usually find space... With just a few pure stoppage players through the ages who would demand such attention.

Now the quality of a stoppage player is measured in my mind in two key areas, the first is the ability to get to and win the ball. Priddis is actually in the best hand full of players at getting too the ball at stoppages (perhaps the best) and in the elite bracket for readying of the play as well. When it comes to winning the ball Priddis isn't as strong as the games best, for one he isn't a powerful enough athlete to bust a pack that often. Nor is he a skilled or agile enough player to dance around opponents. He relies on tenacity to halve most of the contests he competes in.

The second measure of the quality of a stoppage player is disposal and the capacity to project. This is where Priddis comes tumbling down out of the elite category and into the average/ mediocre masses. The first aspect of this is obvious, Priddis lacks skills and not just by foot. In terms of disposal creativity by hand Priddis is somewhat of a lame duck and that restricts his capacity to influence truly effective clearances in certain circumstances where first options are obstructed, which forces him to kick... His kicking lacks both depth and precision, especially when under physical duress. Priddis just isn't known for getting the effective kick away from a stoppage to a discrete target and if he's kicking from a clearance situation it's not good news for our players forward of the ball.

None of these problems would be as big of an issue if Priddis could run away from a stoppage, even a little bit. So if we wind up in a situation where Priddis wins a clearance but lacks the speed, skill and football nous to hit a discrete target and ensure we retain possession, then a hell of a lot of that responsibility falls upon Priddis himself and nobody, NOBODY ELSE.

The issue with Priddis and all players like him is the structural deficit that such a player creates within midfield systems and the burden that it places upon the few to deliver the ball, finish off in front of goals, break lines, mark the high ball ect... . If the fault doesn't sit with Priddis, it sits with the idea that there is a place for him and players like him in the modern game.

So while the above might be sporadic at times. I'll ask the question. What ****ing coach in their right ****ing mind would tag a player who relies utterly on his team mates to turn his "hard work" into something resembling coherent and effective ball movement?

On a few occasions in 2014 Priddis almost turned into a tour de force. Where his follow up work, pressure and tenacity at the ball drop actually represented something consistent with the flow of influence which you receive from the games elite. That was a career purple patch right there, and if he could play like that more often and had slightly better kicking skills then he'd be every bit elite and deserving of a tag.

 

[javaguice]

What a great post!

 

[jakethebear]

I've never entered this 'side' of bigfooty- the priddis thread- before, so forgive me for an ignorant view or saying things that others had before.

Before bigfooty, i liked Priddis. I didn't love him like i do Shuey, Darling or kennedy, but i also didn't hate him. Then i started ready some posts and my view changed to 'he sucks', 'he's holding back our midfield', 'he's useless' and all other varieties of depreciating him.

Today i was watching the nab cup game and the commentators said "Priddis as usual is leading the way in disposals" and "he's so important to their midfield."

I had barely noticed him except for a couple tackles and thought its probably the usual rack up the numbers do nothing with it scenario. so i watched closer and there were a couple replays. What stood out for me was that Priddis was in many of them, not flashy, but a vital cog in the handball chain, or handballing in the middle of a pack to Shuey who then burst through and made us all exclaim his praise. Ultimately I realised that my view has been totally unbalanced. This is not to say that he's a superstar, but rather he plays his role rather well. Sure, he sprays it from time to time but in most of our scoring chains he has had an effect, even if its just pressure acts or super tackles.

I don't think Priddis is the greatest mid, but he isn't giving 50m on the free kick leading into an opposition goal like others *here's looking at you Sharrod*

Now i sound like a fan boi but I've learnt something at least

 

[Godfather32]

I've never entered this 'side' of bigfooty- the priddis thread- before, so forgive me for an ignorant view or saying things that others had before.

Before bigfooty, i liked Priddis. I didn't love him like i do Shuey, Darling or kennedy, but i also didn't hate him. Then i started ready some posts and my view changed to 'he sucks', 'he's holding back our midfield', 'he's useless' and all other varieties of depreciating him.

Today i was watching the nab cup game and the commentators said "Priddis as usual is leading the way in disposals" and "he's so important to their midfield."

I had barely noticed him except for a couple tackles and thought its probably the usual rack up the numbers do nothing with it scenario. so i watched closer and there were a couple replays. What stood out for me was that Priddis was in many of them, not flashy, but a vital cog in the handball chain, or handballing in the middle of a pack to Shuey who then burst through and made us all exclaim his praise. Ultimately I realised that my view has been totally unbalanced. This is not to say that he's a superstar, but rather he plays his role rather well. Sure, he sprays it from time to time but in most of our scoring chains he has had an effect, even if its just pressure acts or super tackles.

I don't think Priddis is the greatest mid, but he isn't giving 50m on the free kick leading into an opposition goal like others *here's looking at you Sharrod*

Now i sound like a fan boi but I've learnt something at least

Sounds like he had a good game (got home from work too late to watch it), but if you watch some of the videos Kranky Al posted in the last thread he was rarely involved in scoring chains. Unless you count turning the ball over to the other team who then score as a direct result (North Melbourne game comes to mind).

 

[Kernel Sanders]

I've never entered this 'side' of bigfooty- the priddis thread- before, so forgive me for an ignorant view or saying things that others had before.

Before bigfooty, i liked Priddis. I didn't love him like i do Shuey, Darling or kennedy, but i also didn't hate him. Then i started ready some posts and my view changed to 'he sucks', 'he's holding back our midfield', 'he's useless' and all other varieties of depreciating him.

Today i was watching the nab cup game and the commentators said "Priddis as usual is leading the way in disposals" and "he's so important to their midfield."

I had barely noticed him except for a couple tackles and thought its probably the usual rack up the numbers do nothing with it scenario. so i watched closer and there were a couple replays. What stood out for me was that Priddis was in many of them, not flashy, but a vital cog in the handball chain, or handballing in the middle of a pack to Shuey who then burst through and made us all exclaim his praise. Ultimately I realised that my view has been totally unbalanced. This is not to say that he's a superstar, but rather he plays his role rather well. Sure, he sprays it from time to time but in most of our scoring chains he has had an effect, even if its just pressure acts or super tackles.

I don't think Priddis is the greatest mid, but he isn't giving 50m on the free kick leading into an opposition goal like others *here's looking at you Sharrod*

Now i sound like a fan boi but I've learnt something at least

Except you are comparing his output and influence on a game in a NAB Cup, against a poor team, and with most of their better players out.

Let me know how he goes when he's not a Flat Track Bully.

 

[Dark Sharks]

^ Good point. Let me know when he does something substantial to get us over the line in a tight game. Let me know when he stands up in a big moment. Like all all great players are supposed to do.

 

[Sw3Et]

Haters gonna hate

 

[Godfather32]

Haters gonna hate

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That was well worth posting

 

[Pottering]

So you genuinely think that having the umpires vote on the Brownlow is a good thing? You don't think they should be concentrating on other things, like, say umpiring the game? Do you think that there's a reason why the Brownlow is now known as the midfielders award?

It's always been a midfielders award. Basically the majority of the best players end up in the midfield 'cause that's where the ball spends most of the time.

I have no problem with the umpires voting, their collective calls over the years have been fine by me. Various other awards produce winners no better or worse, it's all subjective and the guys in the midst of the action are very well placed to judge. Your suggestion that having to give votes detracts from their umpiring performance is one of the most laughable notions even put forward in this forum.

 

[Pottering]

I had time on my hands and thought I'd try and put your wafer thin "arguments" to bed. You were almost shrieking in those last few responses

I actually wrote it while I was lying down as it happens.

I could tell, your arguments were flat and lifeless.

 

[Pottering]

Most of this post is nonsense and not actually football related in the slightest.

But you're not going to clarify this point? either out of ignorance or deception.

The reason why Priddis isn't tagged isn't because he can't be rendered utterly ineffectual. It's because the gap in influence between Priddis operating unattended and operating under duress is minimal most of the time and a run with player would be far more effective elsewhere. Why is it more effective to tag others, some are innate to the game and some are specific to Priddis and his type.

A stoppage player is effectively the player furthest from goal in any scoring chain. Which means less chance of involvement in scoring chains, because ultimately a team of going to have the ball 20 something times between scoring opportunities. Now compared to most they are still extremely influential, the sheer volume of ball makes them influential. It's position related, but just getting hands on the ball isn't enough to warrant a tag. You need to represent a threat with ball in hand.

So while being a good clearance player necessarily makes you less of a priority by nature of how it's harder for you to directly impact the scoreboard or be involved in plays that do. That doesn't automatically ring true for well rounded (or simply better) players, or stoppage players with more strings on their bow (also better all the time).

Now to Shuey momentarily.

The interesting thing here is that you suggest Shuey can't deal with a tag, which isn't true. Elements of Shuey's game suffer as a result of being tagged, if his run is blocked it's not blocked because Shuey isn't good enough. It's because he's physically been blocked and hasn't had someone blocking for him. If Shuey can't find space it's not because he's deficient at doing so it's because he's carrying luggage with him that prevents him from "being an option" in space. Instead Shuey is forced into playing a highly contested brand of football when he wares the hard tag. He has to go back into traffic and into high congestion to get his hands on the ball directly. As soon as he's forced to do this, the opposition win and we lose. But that wouldn't be the case, not if we had someone to switch to a slightly more outside/ offensive role form the inside or if we had other player. Anyone other than Shuey in the upper echelon of midfield talent.

The same applies to Gaff, only Gaff can't fall back on his contested game. At least there is a tiny bit of hope that Gaff can improve his contested game to the point where he's not a total deadweight when tagged.

So Priddis doesn't have magical abilities that Shuey doesn't. Abilities that allows him to get meters on his opponent to find space or get around an opponent who's blocked his run for the handball receive, otherwise we'd have seen them used to good effect in more diverse role than "slow arse stoppage desperado".

So as i was saying before i addressed Shuey.

Quality, a threat, influence. All words that ring true to any player that's ever been worth tagging. Such players usually find space... With just a few pure stoppage players through the ages who would demand such attention.

Now the quality of a stoppage player is measured in my mind in two key areas, the first is the ability to get to and win the ball. Priddis is actually in the best hand full of players at getting too the ball at stoppages (perhaps the best) and in the elite bracket for readying of the play as well. When it comes to winning the ball Priddis isn't as strong as the games best, for one he isn't a powerful enough athlete to bust a pack that often. Nor is he a skilled or agile enough player to dance around opponents. He relies on tenacity to halve most of the contests he competes in.

The second measure of the quality of a stoppage player is disposal and the capacity to project. This is where Priddis comes tumbling down out of the elite category and into the average/ mediocre masses. The first aspect of this is obvious, Priddis lacks skills and not just by foot. In terms of disposal creativity by hand Priddis is somewhat of a lame duck and that restricts his capacity to influence truly effective clearances in certain circumstances where first options are obstructed, which forces him to kick... His kicking lacks both depth and precision, especially when under physical duress. Priddis just isn't known for getting the effective kick away from a stoppage to a discrete target and if he's kicking from a clearance situation it's not good news for our players forward of the ball.

None of these problems would be as big of an issue if Priddis could run away from a stoppage, even a little bit. So if we wind up in a situation where Priddis wins a clearance but lacks the speed, skill and football nous to hit a discrete target and ensure we retain possession, then a hell of a lot of that responsibility falls upon Priddis himself and nobody, NOBODY ELSE.

The issue with Priddis and all players like him is the structural deficit that such a player creates within midfield systems and the burden that it places upon the few to deliver the ball, finish off in front of goals, break lines, mark the high ball ect... . If the fault doesn't sit with Priddis, it sits with the idea that there is a place for him and players like him in the modern game.

So while the above might be sporadic at times. I'll ask the question. What ******* coach in their right ******* mind would tag a player who relies utterly on his team mates to turn his "hard work" into something resembling coherent and effective ball movement?

On a few occasions in 2014 Priddis almost turned into a tour de force. Where his follow up work, pressure and tenacity at the ball drop actually represented something consistent with the flow of influence which you receive from the games elite. That was a career purple patch right there, and if he could play like that more often and had slightly better kicking skills then he'd be every bit elite and deserving of a tag.

Funny how you denigrate my position then basically agree with me, "It's because the gap in influence between Priddis operating unattended and operating under duress is minimal most of the time and a run with player would be far more effective elsewhere." That's why Shuey and Gaff have been heavily tagged, because they've shown they are susceptible. And that's pretty much the point Roos and Thompson made, tag the guys who'll have their performance affected the most.

 

[Pottering]

Except you are comparing his output and influence on a game in a NAB Cup, against a poor team, and with most of their better players out.

Let me know how he goes when he's not a Flat Track Bully.

Priddis can never win with you guys. Last when we played Carlton he was the top possession winner on the ground and got 2 Brownlow votes, Eagles best per AFL.com. But play well against a weakened NAB challenge Blues outfit and the knives are out for him. Imagine the howls of derision if he'd played only mediocre!

 

[Sw3Et]

That was well worth posting

 

[larrikin]

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Smart arse quota reached.

 

[Godfather32]

It's always been a midfielders award. Basically the majority of the best players end up in the midfield 'cause that's where the ball spends most of the time.

I have no problem with the umpires voting, their collective calls over the years have been fine by me. Various other awards produce winners no better or worse, it's all subjective and the guys in the midst of the action are very well placed to judge. Your suggestion that having to give votes detracts from their umpiring performance is one of the most laughable notions even put forward in this forum.

No, the majority of the most prolific players are from the midfield because that's where the ball is, you're confusing stats with ability and talent again.
The only reason the Brownlow is still even relevant is because of the media hype, the betting and the fact that a lot of the time it's a crapshoot so people watch to see who wins. The best player in the league over a particular season doesn't necessarily win, we get thrown up crap like last years winner. I'm sorry but even the most ardent Priddis supporter who possesses more than half a brain doesn't think that Priddis was the best player in the league last year.
So what you are saying is that you are fine with having an award for the best player in the league, that only actually picks the best player in the league 50% of the time. That is a "laughable notion".
And as far as the umpires go it shouldn't even be entering their heads who the best players on the field are during a game, it leads to bias. See the superstar calls from the NBA, which under the previous commissioner turned the league into something resembling the WWE on many occasions.

 

[Johnno22]

No, the majority of the most prolific players are from the midfield because that's where the ball is, you're confusing stats with ability and talent again.
The only reason the Brownlow is still even relevant is because of the media hype, the betting and the fact that a lot of the time it's a crapshoot so people watch to see who wins. The best player in the league over a particular season doesn't necessarily win, we get thrown up crap like last years winner. I'm sorry but even the most ardent Priddis supporter who possesses more than half a brain doesn't think that Priddis was the best player in the league last year.
So what you are saying is that you are fine with having an award for the best player in the league, that only actually picks the best player in the league 50% of the time. That is a "laughable notion".
And as far as the umpires go it shouldn't even be entering their heads who the best players on the field are during a game, it leads to bias. See the superstar calls from the NBA, which under the previous commissioner turned the league into something resembling the WWE on many occasions.

I think you may have forgotten that it is a Best & Fairest award.

There is a need for this type of award and the Brownlow addresses this quite nicely.

 

[Godfather32]

I think you may have forgotten that it is a Best & Fairest award.

There is a need for this type of award and the Brownlow addresses this quite nicely.

Priddis does have the fairest hair, but he's not the best

 

[Keys]

Most of this post is nonsense and not actually football related in the slightest.

But you're not going to clarify this point? either out of ignorance or deception.

The reason why Priddis isn't tagged isn't because he can't be rendered utterly ineffectual. It's because the gap in influence between Priddis operating unattended and operating under duress is minimal most of the time and a run with player would be far more effective elsewhere. Why is it more effective to tag others, some are innate to the game and some are specific to Priddis and his type.

A stoppage player is effectively the player furthest from goal in any scoring chain. Which means less chance of involvement in scoring chains, because ultimately a team of going to have the ball 20 something times between scoring opportunities. Now compared to most they are still extremely influential, the sheer volume of ball makes them influential. It's position related, but just getting hands on the ball isn't enough to warrant a tag. You need to represent a threat with ball in hand.

So while being a good clearance player necessarily makes you less of a priority by nature of how it's harder for you to directly impact the scoreboard or be involved in plays that do. That doesn't automatically ring true for well rounded (or simply better) players, or stoppage players with more strings on their bow (also better all the time).

Now to Shuey momentarily.

The interesting thing here is that you suggest Shuey can't deal with a tag, which isn't true. Elements of Shuey's game suffer as a result of being tagged, if his run is blocked it's not blocked because Shuey isn't good enough. It's because he's physically been blocked and hasn't had someone blocking for him. If Shuey can't find space it's not because he's deficient at doing so it's because he's carrying luggage with him that prevents him from "being an option" in space. Instead Shuey is forced into playing a highly contested brand of football when he wares the hard tag. He has to go back into traffic and into high congestion to get his hands on the ball directly. As soon as he's forced to do this, the opposition win and we lose. But that wouldn't be the case, not if we had someone to switch to a slightly more outside/ offensive role form the inside or if we had other player. Anyone other than Shuey in the upper echelon of midfield talent.

The same applies to Gaff, only Gaff can't fall back on his contested game. At least there is a tiny bit of hope that Gaff can improve his contested game to the point where he's not a total deadweight when tagged.

So Priddis doesn't have magical abilities that Shuey doesn't. Abilities that allows him to get meters on his opponent to find space or get around an opponent who's blocked his run for the handball receive, otherwise we'd have seen them used to good effect in more diverse role than "slow arse stoppage desperado".

So as i was saying before i addressed Shuey.

Quality, a threat, influence. All words that ring true to any player that's ever been worth tagging. Such players usually find space... With just a few pure stoppage players through the ages who would demand such attention.

Now the quality of a stoppage player is measured in my mind in two key areas, the first is the ability to get to and win the ball. Priddis is actually in the best hand full of players at getting too the ball at stoppages (perhaps the best) and in the elite bracket for readying of the play as well. When it comes to winning the ball Priddis isn't as strong as the games best, for one he isn't a powerful enough athlete to bust a pack that often. Nor is he a skilled or agile enough player to dance around opponents. He relies on tenacity to halve most of the contests he competes in.

The second measure of the quality of a stoppage player is disposal and the capacity to project. This is where Priddis comes tumbling down out of the elite category and into the average/ mediocre masses. The first aspect of this is obvious, Priddis lacks skills and not just by foot. In terms of disposal creativity by hand Priddis is somewhat of a lame duck and that restricts his capacity to influence truly effective clearances in certain circumstances where first options are obstructed, which forces him to kick... His kicking lacks both depth and precision, especially when under physical duress. Priddis just isn't known for getting the effective kick away from a stoppage to a discrete target and if he's kicking from a clearance situation it's not good news for our players forward of the ball.

None of these problems would be as big of an issue if Priddis could run away from a stoppage, even a little bit. So if we wind up in a situation where Priddis wins a clearance but lacks the speed, skill and football nous to hit a discrete target and ensure we retain possession, then a hell of a lot of that responsibility falls upon Priddis himself and nobody, NOBODY ELSE.

The issue with Priddis and all players like him is the structural deficit that such a player creates within midfield systems and the burden that it places upon the few to deliver the ball, finish off in front of goals, break lines, mark the high ball ect... . If the fault doesn't sit with Priddis, it sits with the idea that there is a place for him and players like him in the modern game.

So while the above might be sporadic at times. I'll ask the question. What ******* coach in their right ******* mind would tag a player who relies utterly on his team mates to turn his "hard work" into something resembling coherent and effective ball movement?

On a few occasions in 2014 Priddis almost turned into a tour de force. Where his follow up work, pressure and tenacity at the ball drop actually represented something consistent with the flow of influence which you receive from the games elite. That was a career purple patch right there, and if he could play like that more often and had slightly better kicking skills then he'd be every bit elite and deserving of a tag.

It's been a while since I ventured into this thread and it never ending circular arguments. Fortunately I started on the last page and this was the second post I read. Very good summary and I felt like I learnt something from reading it.

FWIW, I think Simpson is aware of the inherent problems with Priddis but at the same time acknowledges that his strengths can be valuable and is trying to change his role away from a pure in and under ball winner - something we saw later last season when our midfield starting to gel and become more productive.

Over the next 2 seasons I can see Sheed quietly taking over this role in our side in much the same way as Mckenzie took over from Glass as our No1 defender - one day we'll go to a match and it will suddenly dawn that our prime contested ball winner is a lad named Dom

 

[Woobla Stainz]

In recent times when Cuz, Judd, Watson, Swan, Ablett etc....... have won the Brownlow its greats and is celebrated , but as soon as Priddis wins oh the Brownlow is crap umpires shouldn't vote, needs to be changed, means nothing etc..... LOL

 

[Carbine Chaos]

In recent times when Cuz, Judd, Watson, Swan, Ablett etc....... have won the Brownlow its greats and is celebrated , but as soon as Priddis wins oh the Brownlow is crap umpires shouldn't vote, needs to be changed, means nothing etc..... LOL

Well, perhaps apart from Swan, I wouldn't say Priddis is in the same echelon as the others listed.

 

[kranky al]

In recent times when Cuz, Judd, Watson, Swan, Ablett etc....... have won the Brownlow its greats and is celebrated , but as soon as Priddis wins oh the Brownlow is crap umpires shouldn't vote, needs to be changed, means nothing etc..... LOL

Those players you mentioned are good - priddis isnt in the same league

But to address your point - the Umpires officiating the Brownlow has been a bugbear for many people for a long time - how did Wayne Carey not win a Brownlow - gary ablett senior?

Its a midfielders award - because the umps have midfielders right in their face all game.

Add that to the face that the umps gave a difficult enough job as it is.....

 

[Keys]

In recent times when Cuz, Judd, Watson, Swan, Ablett etc....... have won the Brownlow its greats and is celebrated , but as soon as Priddis wins oh the Brownlow is crap umpires shouldn't vote, needs to be changed, means nothing etc..... LOL

Arguments that the Brownlow voting should be taken away from the umpires have been around for as long as I can remember - they aren't a new phenomenon
just because Priddis won it

 

[Keys]

Those players you mentioned are good - priddis isnt in the same league

Well, actually he is.

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Those players you mentioned are good - priddis isnt in the same league

But to address your point - the Umpires officiating the Brownlow has been a bugbear for many people for a long time - how did Wayne Carey not win a Brownlow - gary ablett senior?

Its a midfielders award - because the umps have midfielders right in their face all game.

Add that to the face that the umps gave a difficult enough job as it is.....

Agree that Priddis is not in their league and is not the best player, he wasn't the best player last year but he did have the best year due to a variety of reasons. There has always been knocks on the Brownlow but there were a lot more when Priddis won.