Unsolved The Family Murders

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The Who's Who List
VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

  • DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
  • DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed? Reportedly deceased.

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed

LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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Soldier Of Misfortune said:
:D Where they nice enough people socially? They're assumedly pretty charismatic folks? (excluding Mr R who seems universally regarded as a grumpy old fart)
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Doctor Steve was a very nice guy. Lawyer R was probably even more nicer. When I worked at a pub, he would come in after his work and have a few (less alcoholic drinks - eg Campari/Soda) before heading home. He would often give people advice about legal issues while not charging them (he did this for me once). His (slightly younger) bf R was also very nice guy but I didn't know him as well.
 
AdelaideGT said:
I have only ever added facts (from my time around this era). Never posted theories I have dreamed up.

Here's a fact for you. I once had sex with Doctor Steve. This was after Kelvin etc, I had heard rumours about him, but I was about 20, horny and very drunk.

So it happened. He took me back to the (virtual mansion) place he was staying in at North Adelaide (the home of 'Lawyer B' and his bf 'other B') and everything was fine, I had a good time and woke up in the morning not dead....

A bit later, Lawyer B & BF also tried to pick me up and take me home, but I said no. Probably regretting saying no now. It might have been a fun night.

How's those facts for you???
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Brilliant! Now does that help add anything concrete to the investigation, or is it just you reflecting on your sex life and missed opportunities?
 
AdelaideGT said:
Very little posted on here in the past few years has added to the investigation. But at least my post was facts rather than imagination.
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Facts about missed sexual opportunities…adding nothing.

Can’t say I really like the idea of someone trusting Dr.Steve after hearing about his suspected dangerous ways. That’s odd, and uncomfortable.
 
AdelaideGT said:
lol - I danced with Jason Donovan once, bought him a drink. didn't have sex with him (would've easily said yes lol) but don't think he was involved with 'The Family'...

More facts...
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Yeah let me just add another story of who I rubbed shoulders with but wait, they’ve got nothing to do with the family.

More (completely useless) facts. Cheers!
 
Facts aren’t being put out here very much because most people who read along, or who chip in with “like” or sometimes even a comment, are basically people who are interested onlookers, or people who seek information but don’t share their own.

Some people also like to take the facts they do get here, and share them about as if it is their own knowledge that they have obtained themselves.

There used to be a number of genuine researchers who posted here but these days, that’s not quite the case. Where are the likes of GypsyDreams, SquiffyRae, RaisedEyebrow, GreyCrow and numerous others who were more than just interested onlookers?

Everyone can play a part by contributing a fact, an observation, some constructive criticism, a reference or resource, and so on.

C’mon folks, we need more team work. Please!
 
squawk said:
There used to be a number of genuine researchers who posted here but these days, that’s not quite the case. Where are the likes of GypsyDreams, SquiffyRae, RaisedEyebrow, GreyCrow and numerous others who were more than just interested onlookers?

Everyone can play a part by contributing a fact, an observation, some constructive criticism, a reference or resource, and so on.

C’mon folks, we need more team work. Please!
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I think you know I like and respect you Squawk, but I can't believe this thread - or the people on it - could ever help solve this mystery/crime.

That's why I often describe the people here as 'Miss Marples' (though she might have solved it). Even when people like me who were around at the time share a fact or two we get criticised or almost accused of being an accessory to murder. It's unreal.
 
squawk said:
Cmon people, there’s work to be done!
  1. Police believe there was an average of one abduction a week over at least four years. There’s the magic number of 200 estimated abductions. So why did five people die? Were these five deaths cases of abuse, instances of “accidentally” going too far? Were they for snuff films? Were they part of crude pr0n films? Were they practice attempts at sex change operations?
  2. Who was the killer/killers? It seems reasonable to conclude that the Transgender crowd were lures and accessories but not the perpetrators of actual murders. So - if we rule them out we are looking at other names on the “list”. BVE, Woodards, Mr R. , Brown and St Dennis, and maybe others who were part of the circle but not haven’t had their names rise closer to the top of the list. (I don’t perceive Brown and St Dennis being killers). And is there one or two who do it all, or were different people involved on different occasions? (eg Gambardella was around until 1980 so was there for Muir and Barnes but not for Stogneff, Langley and Kelvin).
Then we have other elements of the cases that haven’t been resolved.

3. Why wasn’t/hasn’t/isn’t the radio caller “Diamond”, identified? Now those amongst us who are widely read on these cases should have some thoughts about who Diamond is, (as should police!). Put your thinking caps on here peeps - there are some obvious candidates when you think about it.

4. What about the pine needles found with Neil Muir’s body? Where did they come from?

5. Where could Muir and Stogneff have been dissected?

6. The answer to questions (3), (4) and (5) will help to identify who the killer(s) could be in question (2).
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Well, hopefully we’ve all had our two cents to say.

Maybe we can get back to answering some pressing questions , like the ones I suggested the other day? (I know some people are looking into these things).

And - I’d love to hear some of the pressing questions others may have too?
 
AdelaideGT said:
lol - I danced with Jason Donovan once, bought him a drink. didn't have sex with him (would've easily said yes lol) but don't think he was involved with 'The Family'...

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I and many friends would have sex with Jason Donovan for his job hosting the playstation Buzz game series.
 
Soldier Of Misfortune said:
I and many friends would have sex with Jason Donovan
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He was filming some TV/movie show in SA and came into 'Regines' (I think) with a bunch of the crew where we were all clubbing at about 1am. He danced and chatted with a group of people inc me. Sadly I got drunk and somehow handcuffed myself to someone else and couldn't get the damn things off until the next day lol.

Sorry certain people - I don't think he murdered anyone...
 
AdelaideGT said:
He was filming some TV/movie show in SA and came into 'Regines' (I think) with a bunch of the crew where we were all clubbing at about 1am. He danced and chatted with a group of people inc me. Sadly I got drunk and somehow handcuffed myself to someone else and couldn't get the damn things off until the next day lol.

Sorry certain people - I don't think he murdered anyone...
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So is the Miss Marple tea circle of sharing stories of who you rubbed shoulders with back on?
 
AdelaideGT said:
He was filming some TV/movie show in SA and came into 'Regines' (I think) with a bunch of the crew where we were all clubbing at about 1am. He danced and chatted with a group of people inc me. Sadly I got drunk and somehow handcuffed myself to someone else and couldn't get the damn things off until the next day lol.

Sorry certain people - I don't think he murdered anyone...
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You should have murdered the person you was handcuffed to. Or at least lopped their hand off.
 

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