Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[Saintly Viewed]

17th with a record of 2-6 and we are meant to celebrate losing by 3 to a team that had one left on the bench.. stay deluded.

We all see things differently.
Some cut and run, some stick.

Unsure need to call people deluded just because they have a different point of view.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Agree 17th is bad. But our best is very good as we saw last night and consistency is our problem.

That's pretty much it.

Been a very strange season, I can't recall one where in every single game we end up so close at the end, if we play really well, or really so so, we are still that close.

If I was on board with every doom sayer, we should be losing all the time by 10 goals plus.

Very odd.

Whilst we may not make the finals at least our medium list is doing some things well.
We can build on those things, bring in more talent, hopefully get better.
If we finish low, good draft pick.

All I know, only 1 side in 18 is truly successful each year, there is no magic pudding.
Only getting better players.

 

[esc0bar]

We're not Carlton or Melbourne. We don't sack our coaches mid season. It does nothing for anyone - cases in point. Do your best to appreciate the little things in each game and watch for the development of players over the next 14 rounds. Buckley will be gone at the end of the year and a full season review will be conducted as well as a panel set up to select the next coach of the Collingwood FC. I believe we are only two KPP at either end of climbing up the ladder. I think Buckey has done OK in player development but extremely poor in player and people management. Hine should go and we should poach a high profile recruiter from the hawks, st Kilda or western bulldogs. Even Adelaide would be good. Eddie should stay for now but Pert needs to be gone, especially since he's applying for jobs everywhere else like the MCC and Hawthorn. Reeks of desperation to find a new club before the ship sinks.

 

[nahnah]

We all see things differently.
Some cut at run, some stick.

Unsure need to call people deluded just because they have a different point of view.

I can't say I really care how you think I should address him if I had to be blatantly honest

 

[El cane]

No its Roosy.

Watching the match on line via Fox through the AFL app on Saturday, it was interesting to hear Paul Roos commentary of the match. First quarter it was very complimentary of the tactic to use the clearance dominance well and to isolate Heath Shaw and hit the lead up player. And then was very uncomplimentary for the lack of individual smarts they threw up in the second.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I can't say I really care how you think I should address him if I had to be blatantly honest

Well then we are in agreement.
That makes two of us that doesnt care how you think I think I should address how you think

It's good to end any discuss on agreement

 

[nahnah]

Well then we are in agreement.
That makes two of us that doesnt care how you think I think I should address how you think

It's good to end any discuss on agreement

ok

 

[westozpie]

That's pretty much it.

Been a very strange season, I can't recall one where in every single game we end up so close at the end, if we play really well, or really so so, we are still that close.

If I was on board with every doom sayer, we should be losing all the time by 10 goals plus.

Very odd.

Whilst we may not make the finals at least our medium list is doing some things well.
We can build on those things, bring in more talent, hopefully get better.
If we finish low, good draft pick.

All I know, only 1 side in 18 is truly successful each year, there is no magic pudding.
Only getting better players.

That's how I feel despite some horrible brain fades, horrible skills at times and horrible shots on goals we are in most games to the end. We are brave and they are putting in effort for coach and club. Can't wait till it all clicks which it will.

 

[Scodog10]

That's how I feel despite some horrible brain fades, horrible skills at times and horrible shots on goals we are in most games to the end. We are brave and they are putting in effort for coach and club. Can't wait till it all clicks which it will.

Six years of waiting not enough?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

That's how I feel despite some horrible brain fades, horrible skills at times and horrible shots on goals we are in most games to the end. We are brave and they are putting in effort for coach and club. Can't wait till it all clicks which it will.

The whole 6 years business people quote, actually the first two years we made finals including a prelim.
It became evident change was needed.
The rebuild began so it would be better for people to say 3 years and 7 rounds enough etc.
But when seeking to emphasise the point it becomes 6 years.

But the magic pudding will fix everything.
As if it will

 

[The Plowking]

The whole 6 years business people quote, actually the first two years we made finals including a prelim.
It became evident change was needed.
The rebuild began so it would be better for people to say 3 years and 7 rounds enough etc.
But when seeking to emphasise the point it becomes 6 years.

But the magic pudding will fix everything.
As if it will

Stop with the rational thinking.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Maxwell stating that some players just couldn't let go of Mick has received scant attention

This has been mentioned often over the years since MM left but right there it is a deemed fail if the players are not behind the new coach so what does the club do? Weed em out and and get some new ones in - let's be honest that's what has happened
All of that is the result of the succession plan, IMV - and this has been flirted with recently in the media - maybe Nathan should've just said to MM and the club "y'know what when Mick is ready to step down I'll take over then and not before" And possibly he may have thought this in hind sight and what would've also been nice from the club was to admit to us members and supporters at that point we're rebuilding instead of intelligence insulting spin and bullish expectations from the likes of Pert

 

[Carringbush2010]

Absolutely but at stages they will cross paths and swords.
Pert: Hey mate, what's going on? Shouldn't have dropped that one.
Coach: We'll have a look at it, don't worry, we'll sort it out.
Ed: Well mate.......
Coach: No! You two just need to do up your ties, keep sprouting your side by side bullshit, organise another celebration that alienates our supporter base, get the Collingwood softball team up and stay the **** out of my office.
Ed: What? Now listen here......
Coach: Stop! Once you give me your undivided attention, we can talk. Until then, I talk to Walshey and that's it. Oh yeah, he's going to ask you where the **** his ruck coach is?

If it was that way I'd put my house on it we'd be in a far far far better position right now!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

That's pretty much it.

Been a very strange season, I can't recall one where in every single game we end up so close at the end, if we play really well, or really so so, we are still that close.

If I was on board with every doom sayer, we should be losing all the time by 10 goals plus.

Very odd.

Whilst we may not make the finals at least our medium list is doing some things well.
We can build on those things, bring in more talent, hopefully get better.
If we finish low, good draft pick.

All I know, only 1 side in 18 is truly successful each year, there is no magic pudding.
Only getting better players.

I think you're looking at it the wrong way.. you say 1 in 18 chance.. so your thoughts are centred around how difficult it is to win a premiership. That kind of attitude doesn't lead to anything. It might make you happy to see us win more than what we lose.. the other part is just all too hard for you.. like digging for gold.

You mention how close all of our games have been.. we have played bad football in 7 out of our 8 games.

I'm more of the type that will walk into a room like Maxy did in 2010 and just bloody say it.. 'boys.. we will win it this yr'.. teams like Hawthorn Geelong Sydney prey on attitudes like yours. It makes their job a hell of a lot easier.

It's one thing Buckley getting us into finals.. anothee thing winning em.. he can't win h&a games.. and I'm also envisaging a quick exit with him at the helm should we make finals as well.. to think that Buckley needs to coach us to 3 finals wins for eg to lift the cup.. i doubt he will ever coach 3 great finals games in a series even he was given another 10 yrs at the helm.

Respect!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Would have been a great experiment to get Buckley to wear a Sia wig.. remain anonymous in the box for 6 yrs.. then have him reveal his true identity over the weekend.. ehhhhh it's Buckley that's been coaching us for this 6 yrs of rubbish.. give him until the end of the yr.. or give him a yr extension.

Respect!

 

[doodles98]

We're not Carlton or Melbourne. We don't sack our coaches mid season. It does nothing for anyone - cases in point. Do your best to appreciate the little things in each game and watch for the development of players over the next 14 rounds. Buckley will be gone at the end of the year and a full season review will be conducted as well as a panel set up to select the next coach of the Collingwood FC. I believe we are only two KPP at either end of climbing up the ladder. I think Buckey has done OK in player development but extremely poor in player and people management. Hine should go and we should poach a high profile recruiter from the hawks, st Kilda or western bulldogs. Even Adelaide would be good. Eddie should stay for now but Pert needs to be gone, especially since he's applying for jobs everywhere else like the MCC and Hawthorn. Reeks of desperation to find a new club before the ship sinks.

Ed going is priority 1. No well run organisation has one person in charge of it for 20 years. This is the time for him to go.
In terms of sacking a coach mid season, it is a question of what is the best for the team for the rest of the season and the future. It doesn't matter how it looks or the niceties of how Bucks leaves. The only benefit we get from this year from here on is development for the future and I can't see Bucks doing this given his situation. Is he suddenly going to start blooding new guys, experimenting with positions, and playing guys like Keefe and Thomas and oxley so we can trade them and get some picks for them rather than just delisting. Can't see Bucks taking this road can you? Not going the development approach now just put us further behind and delays our eventual recovery, and reduces the strength of that recovery. That is why we would be better off making the move asap.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

Stop being deluded by 'close' losses. Collingwood have adopted this approach for my entire 47 years on the planet. We always 'have a go', are often 'unlucky' or the classic excuse, 'the umps'. Its a loser mentality that breeds complacency, that leads to an inability to make hard decisions that take a club forward.

The stats don't lie, he has taken us backwards every year, his win loss record is appalling and he is at a club that is well resourced and has let him hand pick his assistants.

Its over, stop thinking with the heart and start thinking with your heads. This cannot go on.

 

[Countrypie]

well they were 2 players down for 3 quarters and 3 players down in the last quarter, they have Deludio Griffin Hopper and Haynes out compared to none of our players out, and after we hit the front we could have flooded the backline.. .but we didnt.
so strategy might have cost us in the last minute.

But he did manage to take advantage of "the best Half back flanker in the competition" and expose his defensive inability with definitely 4 and probably 5 goals registered against this legend of the game

 

[GreekLunatic]

the one thing ive worked out that we need someone to coach us who isn't linked with Collingwood. our last 2 premiership coaches were non Collingwood people. I hope bucks coaching record hasn't tarnished his legacy at collingwood

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I think you're looking at it the wrong way.. you say 1 in 18 chance.. so your thoughts are centred around how difficult it is to win a premiership. That kind of attitude doesn't lead to anything. It might make you happy to see us win more than what we lose.. the other part is just all too hard for you.. like digging for gold.

You mention how close all of our games have been.. we have played bad football in 7 out of our 8 games.

I'm more of the type that will walk into a room like Maxy did in 2010 and just bloody say it.. 'boys.. we will win it this yr'.. teams like Hawthorn Geelong Sydney prey on attitudes like yours. It makes their job a hell of a lot easier.

It's one thing Buckley getting us into finals.. anothee thing winning em.. he can't win h&a games.. and I'm also envisaging a quick exit with him at the helm should we make finals as well.. to think that Buckley needs to coach us to 3 finals wins for eg to lift the cup.. i doubt he will ever coach 3 great finals games in a series even he was given another 10 yrs at the helm.

Respect!

Irony you comparing your self to maxwell- he was epitome of standing by his club and teammates- you good sir are the definition of cut and run, not going well get rid of this person or that person. At a drop of a hat you'd tell them
Off, wouldn't be pretty.

Respect

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Irony you comparing your self to maxwell- he was epitome of standing by his club and teammates- you good sir are the definition of cut and run, not going well get rid of this person or that person. At a drop of a hat you'd tell them
Off, wouldn't be pretty.

Respect

6 yrs.. not a drop of the hat!

Respect!

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Irony you comparing your self to maxwell- he was epitome of standing by his club and teammates- you good sir are the definition of cut and run, not going well get rid of this person or that person. At a drop of a hat you'd tell them
Off, wouldn't be pretty.

Respect

Where have you been for 6 yrs.. still trying to squeeze every bit of sopey water out of that sponge of yours? You're praising him.. when we're 17th.. well last.. considering Brisbane have Thomastown standard facilities.

Respect!

 

[DaVe86]

If you take the GWS game in isolation (and also the Geelong game 2 weeks ago), Buckley has had 2 pretty good coaching weeks. He had a shocker last week against Carlton....completely unwilling to try anything different to mix up the game.

We ultimately had GWS' measure. Yes they had a few short, but we did our biggest damage early in the game when both sides were fresh and 1 rotation less wouldn't have made a difference. The fact is we set about a game-plan that worked. And it held up most of the game apart from maybe a poorer 2nd quarter.

The game was lost due to execution and panic under pressure. It's hard to say whether that's due to poor coaching, poor recruitment or that the players are fully to blame, but the fact is that we've lost a lot of close ones in the last 2 years and clearly we panic under pressure.

For me, my problem is that the club needs leadership here and we need to set a direction for the rest of the year. At 2-6, I'd say the season is gone. We'd have to win 10 of the last 14, and that may only be enough to scrape into 8th.

The AFL is not set up to reward teams for coming 5th to 12th. You either want to make top 4 or finish bottom 4. Everything else in between in just no mans land.

We need to take something out of the rest of this year. And it clearly has to be developing the talent on our list. Scharenberg needs games, and it's an opportunity to pump some games into Daicos and McLarty. We can also find out about Aish, Wills, Phillips, Broomhead and Mason Cox. Also need to find out about Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas because at their age they shouldn't just be VFL depth.

We'll probably land a top 3 pick, which we can use to finally recruit the gun KPF we need.

Going with this current course, we'll probably win 8 games and come around 12th again. It's just useless. An executive decision needs to be made about the season.

The issue with going about things the way I suggest is whether Buckley can survive by coming bottom 4. The answer is probably No. We'd be better off having a new coach or an interim coach who would have a licence to play kids and experiment. I think we could cop that as a supporter group. At least we'd know our direction this year. Right now, we seem to just be treading water. We're losing, but we're losing with the same team and we're not finding out enough about our depth. Guys like Aish and Cox are in and out, and we're not seeing Scharenberg.

I just wonder how much longer we can keep having these 'honourable losses' before we concede this season is over. The optimist in me says we can still turn this year around, and I still think Bucks can coach. I just don't think the situation is tenable anymore.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Where have you been for 6 yrs.. still trying to squeeze every bit of sopey water out of that sponge of yours? You're praising him.. when we're 17th.. well last.. considering Brisbane have Thomastown standard facilities.

Respect!

Love your work gimp
Respect!

All in fun

Though I'm thinking it's now a topic that goes in circles,
I might start thinking about the fields for Flemington on Saturday - easier

 

[MarkT2]

This is what's worrying, with very few injuries even our seconds can't win a game, Buckley and his mates have completely ****** our club.

Yep.
We've years of injury excuses and now we have very few our depth is shown to be non existent.
You can't keep losing players and maintain a half decent list.