Footy Dept. Talent & Operations Manager Matt Rosa

[Old Campaigner]

Feels a little bit like he’s started with a paperclip and traded up through a series of incremental trades.

And even though you can’t say we won any of them at this point they all were part of a cohesive plan and the end result is certainly more positive than the start.

Almost as if trading is easier if you’re not trying to turn every deal into a big slam dunk

 

[Zach Package]

Almost as if trading is easier if you’re not trying to turn every deal into a big slam dunk

It also helps if you are playing with a different currency to everyone else if you have an academy prospect.

You often see clubs go about it in the same way where it’s multiple little low profile deals and then you look up at the end of the period and they’ve quietly accumulated so many assets and you’re not sure how.

My other low stakes conspiracy theory is that if we part ways with Scott it’s the perfect opportunity to go to a new coach ‘the list is not too bad, but also here’s 4 picks inside the top 40’.

 

[Rick Ross]

My other low stakes conspiracy theory is that if we part ways with Scott it’s the perfect opportunity to go to a new coach ‘the list is not too bad, but also here’s 4 picks inside the top 40’.

Part ways with Scott????

puts a well used tape in a beaten up old cassette player and hits play

“Covid draft, been injured, big men take longer…”

fast forward

“Parish $850k per year for 6 won’t seem like that much once the salary cap goes up…”

rewinds a touch

“You know he took norf to 2 prelims - norf!”

 

[boncer34]

If we didn't do the trade we wouldn't have had the points to match Kako.

So when the bid came in last night we'd have needed to trade back into the draft to avoid going into a deficit and look at the price Norf paid for pick 27.

This way we still get the first round pick, we get Kako and we don't compromise next years hand.

Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[naraku]

I hope Harley is aware we've got a good pick haul for next year

Overall, solid debut from Rosa.

I guess Prior, Baldwin compete for the last few spots, Day-Wicks as well.

Nguyen as 'rookie B' will be nice.

 

[Yoda_]

If we didn't do the trade we wouldn't have had the points to match Kako.

So when the bid came in last night we'd have needed to trade back into the draft to avoid going into a deficit and look at the price Norf paid for pick 27.

This way we still get the first round pick, we get Kako and we don't compromise next years hand.

Why is this so hard to understand?

cant remember who posted it but the draft points index seems like a good indication

we started with around 2,000, ended up with almost double + Kako and a future first


cant believe people are even questioning if this was a net win:loss. It was a positive way in which we haven't seen for 20 years. Not a slam dunk win but a win none the less for the long haul

 

[Rick Ross]

If we didn't do the trade we wouldn't have had the points to match Kako.

So when the bid came in last night we'd have needed to trade back into the draft to avoid going into a deficit and look at the price Norf paid for pick 27.

This way we still get the first round pick, we get Kako and we don't compromise next years hand.

Why is this so hard to understand?

I don’t understand.
So I won’t take it badly if you shoot me down with a better take…

Early trade with Melbourne cut off options:

1. Couldn’t use pick 9 before Kako
Agree it’s preferable not to go into deficit & therefore need to trade back in. But referencing the North price for 27 isn’t the right example. Surely we would have done a deal pre-draft to trade a F3 (ideally F4 but unlikely & hopefully not a F2) for a back end picks worth enough.

+

2. Got less from Melbourne than if we held to draft night
As norf deal shows, clubs will pay well overs if they can trade up to guarantee a player on the night.

I’m no zealot here, I think it’s a pass mark. Just don’t see why folk are calling out more than that. Organisations that don’t review and critically assess stay mediocre.

 

[jdstorm]

It’s nice to actually have a good fully balanced list all the way through.

Lots of younger guys but heaps of selection pressure. All the guys bought in have running ability and an elite skill/trait in some way

 

[Bjchan13]

Before

2024- 9, 28

2025- F1, F2, F3, F4

After

2024- Issac Kako, Kayle Gerreyn, Angus Clarke, Rhys Unwin, Zak Johnson

2025- F1 (Ess) F1 (Melb) F2 (Ess) F2 (Stk) F4 (Ess)

Time will tell but I believe he's picked the eyes out of that draft.

Targeted team needs and targeted elite traits.

More to add in the rookie/SSP too.

 

[boncer34]

I don’t understand.
So I won’t take it badly if you shoot me down with a better take…

Early trade with Melbourne cut off options:

1. Couldn’t use pick 9 before Kako
Agree it’s preferable not to go into deficit & therefore need to trade back in. But referencing the North price for 27 isn’t the right example. Surely we would have done a deal pre-draft to trade a F3 (ideally F4 but unlikely & hopefully not a F2) for a back end picks worth enough.

+

2. Got less from Melbourne than if we held to draft night
As norf deal shows, clubs will pay well overs if they can trade up to guarantee a player on the night.

I’m no zealot here, I think it’s a pass mark. Just don’t see why folk are calling out more than that. Organisations that don’t review and critically assess stay mediocre.

1. So we'd have compromised next years draft hand to get those points. He avoided having to do that.

2. Sure we might have, but we might not have. And the bid might have come before hand. Who's giving us a first plus change to bail us out on the night? There's a significant price difference between prying a pick from a club and buying one they have to get rid of.

 

[Rick Ross]

1. So we'd have compromised next years draft hand to get those points. He avoided having to do that.

2. Sure we might have, but we might not have. And the bid might have come before hand. Who's giving us a first plus change to bail us out on the night? There's a significant price difference between prying a pick from a club and buying one they have to get rid of.

Got it … think it comes down to:

1. To use our 9 this year we ideally use our F3 to pad out later ‘24 points for Kako. Let’s call it a F2 to be sure.
So (big IF that Kako goes past 9) our options were:
Melbourne trade : Kako + F1 (in an uncertain draft)
OR
Use 9 (in a solid draft) + Kako but lose a F2 (uncertain draft)
- Think I’d take ‘24 draft certainty and a that high pick a year earlier every time

2. Yeah, in isolation I’m probably with you on not taking the risk. But if that gamble enabled me to possibly use pick 9 in ‘24 (and get Kayo) it seems fair… gamble would might be more fun than death riding Melbourne…

 

[Lore]

This is what we had at the start of trade period:


Three matched bids/FA compo were inserted in the order before pick 8, so effectively pick 11. Another 2 picks were inserted before pick 28, which would've become pick 32 if we hadn't traded it or used it to match anything. Dodoro already traded out our 3rd and 4th round picks last year so they're not available. The next pick was 82, which as a mid-5th round pick would've become pick 69 after all the other clubs passed. Our next two picks would be in the 70s.

And at the end of tonight we have this:


3 picks in the top 40, another in the fourth round, and all 5 ahead of the infamous pick 77. Also doubled the value of our draft hand for next year, and the only thing with any real value that we had to lose to do it was Jake Stringer

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Jake Stringer

Age

30

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.8

5star

D

8.5

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.5

1star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

4star

G

2.5

5star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

.

 

[Atavistic]

He certainly milked 9 and 28.

 

[boncer34]

Got it … think it comes down to:

1. To use our 9 this year we ideally use our F3 to pad out later ‘24 points for Kako. Let’s call it a F2 to be sure.
So (big IF that Kako goes past 9) our options were:
Melbourne trade : Kako + F1 (in an uncertain draft)
OR
Use 9 (in a solid draft) + Kako but lose a F2 (uncertain draft)
- Think I’d take ‘24 draft certainty and a that high pick a year earlier every time

2. Yeah, in isolation I’m probably with you on not taking the risk. But if that gamble enabled me to possibly use pick 9 in ‘24 (and get Kayo) it seems fair… gamble would might be more fun than death riding Melbourne…

And have 0 other picks.

 

[Bjchan13]

Got it … think it comes down to:

1. To use our 9 this year we ideally use our F3 to pad out later ‘24 points for Kako. Let’s call it a F2 to be sure.
So (big IF that Kako goes past 9) our options were:
Melbourne trade : Kako + F1 (in an uncertain draft)
OR
Use 9 (in a solid draft) + Kako but lose a F2 (uncertain draft)
- Think I’d take ‘24 draft certainty and a that high pick a year earlier every time

2. Yeah, in isolation I’m probably with you on not taking the risk. But if that gamble enabled me to possibly use pick 9 in ‘24 (and get Kayo) it seems fair… gamble would might be more fun than death riding Melbourne…

So you'd prefer

2024- Lindsay, Kako

2025- F1, F3, F4

Over


2024- Kako, Gerreyn, Clarke, Unwin, Johnson

2025- F1 (Ess) F1 (Melb) F2 (Ess) F2 (STK) F4

?

 

[Agronomus]

I don’t understand.
So I won’t take it badly if you shoot me down with a better take…

Early trade with Melbourne cut off options:

1. Couldn’t use pick 9 before Kako
Agree it’s preferable not to go into deficit & therefore need to trade back in. But referencing the North price for 27 isn’t the right example. Surely we would have done a deal pre-draft to trade a F3 (ideally F4 but unlikely & hopefully not a F2) for a back end picks worth enough.

+

2. Got less from Melbourne than if we held to draft night
As norf deal shows, clubs will pay well overs if they can trade up to guarantee a player on the night.

I’m no zealot here, I think it’s a pass mark. Just don’t see why folk are calling out more than that. Organisations that don’t review and critically assess stay mediocre.

Compared to what our previous recruitment manager would have done this was a great result

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

Happy to go into next year’s draft similar to the 2015 one with 2 1sts and 2 2nds while still being able to draft someone like Clarke.

 

[Rick Ross]

So you'd prefer

2024- Lindsay, Kako

2025- F1, F3, F4

Over


2024- Kako, Gerreyn, Clarke, Unwin, Johnson

2025- F1 (Ess) F1 (Melb) F2 (Ess) F2 (STK) F4

?

Pretty much…
Caveat - the Kako bid may then have come earlier if we held so might be moot.

Top picks
High pick in a solid draft 1 year earlier (over a high pick in an unknown draft 1 year later) is worthy of some sacrifice (that looks like 2x F2 in an uncertain draft in a year).

Later picks
I get excited by the Gerreyn, Clarke, Unwin & Johnson picks. But I get excited when Black team dominates red team in the pre season… The reality is that they are later draft picks and statistically have a low success rate.

Think you’ve gone a bit narrow that the F2 wouldn’t have also netted the a couple of later picks we could have used (maybe add back Unwin & Johnson) or future later picks.

 

[Bjchan13]

Pretty much…
Caveat - the Kako bid may then have come earlier if we held so might be moot.

Top picks
High pick in a solid draft 1 year earlier (over a high pick in an unknown draft 1 year later) is worthy of some sacrifice (that looks like 2x F2 in an uncertain draft in a year).

Later picks
I get excited by the Gerreyn, Clarke, Unwin & Johnson picks. But I get excited when Black team dominates red team in the pre season… The reality is that they are later draft picks and statistically have a low success rate.

Think you’ve gone a bit narrow that the F2 wouldn’t have also netted the a couple of later picks we could have used (maybe add back Unwin & Johnson) or future later picks.

Good on you for sticking to your guns. Ill give you Unwin and Johnson but still agree to disagree. I would've loved Lindsay but he's not worth F1(Melb) F2 (Ess) F2 (Stk) Gerreyn and Clarke imo

 

[Milanista28]

Those 2 2nd rounders in 2025 can probably get us one of the Gold Coast 1st rounders, they'll want points.

We could have 3 top 15 picks 2025.

Really rate Rosa.

 

[ant555]

Those 2 2nd rounders in 2025 can probably get us one of the Gold Coast 1st rounders, they'll want points.

We could have 3 top 15 picks 2025.

Really rate Rosa.

Rules change next year. No more trading out first round picks for a bunch of later picks to match first round bids.
Does give us good trade opportunities.

 

[Runk]

Those 2 2nd rounders in 2025 can probably get us one of the Gold Coast 1st rounders, they'll want points.

We could have 3 top 15 picks 2025.

Really rate Rosa.

Yep - super impressed with his numbers game - now we wait (4 years) to see what his talent identification is like.

 

[ant555]

I like the fact they have turned what would have been a thin draft into opportunity.
Yes there was a risk with trading 9. We could very well be missing out on a very good player but the flip side is we got more shots this year and next year inside the top 40 and we have enough next year to make trades and go to the draft.
As for the players picked. The real world says two are most likely to come to nothing in an average situation so I am not dancing a jig and saying all will be good.
I like the spread of selections and the types.
I think Kako is a lock to make it.
The others all have some good parts to their games.
They worked outside the box well and had eyes forward and not just in the moment.
I would say 8/10 for they way they strategised and worked a small hand into a decent hand this year and a strong one next year.
The overall mark comes down the track when we see how the players from this draft go and see the hits and misses.

 

[brutus76]

Get him a Rosa coloured jacket

Well done Matty!

 

[ant555]

Yep - super impressed with his numbers game - now we wait (4 years) to see what his talent identification is like.

Include RFK in this. He has a big role as well and will be interesting to see how he goes out of the Dodoro shadow. Injury and bad luck aside I think we will have a good idea across the whole draft at the start of 2027.