Sunbury out of BFL

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Nah I mentioned the VAFA with a view to ruling them out ... they'd have to go amateur and a proud club like Sunbury wouldn't want to kick out their list and go get new up-and-comers to replace them just so they could go payroll-free ...

That was why I mentioned that, Richo yes I know they'd have to start at the bottom and that they are too strong a team for that ... but I didn't mention it because the idea is already shot due to the requirement that they'd need to go amateur.

PS : The Bendigo road trips wouldn't be THAT severe. There are no Bendigo FL clubs north of Bendigo, and there's a lot of freeway up there nowadays.
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
(I know its too low a grade but anyway) The Central Highlands FL won't take 'em .. once bitten twice shy on that front!
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I don't think the CHFL (which isn't that bad of a footy competition, by the way ;) ), would take them back, either. For one thing, too many teams would complain about having to travel from around Ballarat all the way to (almost) Melton or Bacchus Marsh to get to a game.

Also, too much of a PR risk as well, given Sunbury's reputation over the years.

I will, however, stay in touch with my CHFL contacts and see what they think about any rumours that may come up regarding a probable or improbable Sunbury link-up with that league.
 
I doubt a huge club like Sunbury will go a year without playing footy. However their ban does appy to other comps. They need to get permission from either the VCFL or the VMFL. They will never go into the Amateurs so that leaves them with three options. Pay the fine and beg the BFL to take them back or join the Bendigo or Essendon leagues. They won't join the DVFL because its to far away and the WDFL isnt strong enough. There are a number of ex Riddel clubs playing in the EDFL and its the closest so it would have to be the prime candidate. I couldnt see them playing B grade (they would smash the weaker teams) so that would mean a major shake up of the EDFL A grade comp.
 

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Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
(I know its too low a grade but anyway) The Central Highlands FL won't take 'em .. once bitten twice shy on that front!

Bendigo FL, Essendon DFL, maybe Western Region FL, Diamond Valley would be too far away right?

Riddell and CHFL too low a grade. for VAFA they'd have to go amateur ...
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As I understand it

Essendon League-Sunbury enquired about going there two years back and were told they would have to start in b grade and that is to low a standard for Sunbury.

Bendigo League-Have to be front runner.

Anni Swan-It is not only Power and Lupson who have caused this.There ere several other things that have caused it combined with the fact that Ballarat has a complete and utter hatred of the club.

You Idiot-You dont seriously believe all the anti sunbury hype up there do you?From watching the tape it seems that the Redan boys targeted Sunbury player (Matt Payne) and then when his mates went in to help out they all got sent off and it all went wrong from there.
 
Originally posted by Dog Town
You Idiot-You dont seriously believe all the anti sunbury hype up there do you?From watching the tape it seems that the Redan boys targeted Sunbury player (Matt Payne) and then when his mates went in to help out they all got sent off and it all went wrong from there.
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I'll answer this as honestly as I can.

I couldn't see the actual grand final, as I was on deadline for the under-18 and reserve grand finals at the Eastern Oval that day, so I had to scurry back to the Ballarat Courier office to write my copy. But for what unfolded, I wish I had seen it all.

As for all the anti-Sunbury 'hype', it seems clear to me that their punishment isn't stemming from this one game (OK, I realise how frustrating losing a grand final can be, let alone two in a row, but it's no reason to act as they did, and for one player to take it out verbally on one of our reporters in the change rooms is a bit over the top IMO). In fact, the BFL reached their on the basis of several incidents over the past few years or thereabouts.

It is, in fact, a pattern of repeated behavior which hasn't changed. On that basis, the punishment is deserved. Unfortunate for the club and the innocent victims of the members of its other teams, both footy and netball, but nonetheless deserved.

But I think it's something Sunbury can learn from, regardless of the course of action the club takes in the aftermath. Case in point, Hepburn-- Hepburn were hit with a one-year ban a few years ago, served their pennance and now are now one of the model clubs of the Ballarat & district region, from what I've been able to gather in all of my journalistic travels this year.

I hope Sunbury recovers from this, because it puts footy in this area and country footy in general in a bad light.
 
I was at the Grand Final and it was the first time I have seen a Ballarat FL match. What an overreaction from that league to ban a club for 12 months and fine them like they did.

One person threw a bottle onto the ground at an umpire, yet the league sounds like they are making a song and dance that the Sunbury supporters bring the game into disrepute. There is very little a club can do to monitor their supporters - they are individuals and will do what they want. A club can't say "all our supporters you have to behave today". It is the responsibility of the league to provide adequate security so when incidents occur the spectators involved in incidents can be removed from the ground and fined.

Journalists were being abused???? By who???? The excuses about bad supporters and journalists are just rubbish. A league should only focus on the club - its players and officials.

The umpires spent the day being inconsistant and letting incidents go which would be free kicks at AFL and VFL level, so it's no wonder players and supporters get annoyed.

And if the BFL want to bag anybody I thought the official from Melton South in the 2s who spent the whole presentation yelling out abuse at Sunbury was nearly as bad as anything else I saw in the day. That was extremely poor sportsmanship.
 
Sunbury have announced that it will appeal the BFL's banning.

From today's (Friday's) Ballarat Courier:

http://www.thecourier.com.au/detail...ory=general sport&story_id=260084&y=2003&m=10

Sunbury to appeal
By David Brehaut
Thursday, 9 October 2003

SUNBURY Football Club yesterday set the wheels in motion to appeal the Ballarat Football League's decision to suspend its affiliation for 12 months.

Sunbury will meet with the BFL board of directors in Ballarat on Wednesday night to begin the appeal process.

BFL chief executive officer Rod Ward said the informal meeting with the Sunbury Football Club executive would be a pre-cursor to a BFL board meeting on November 5 - the date set to hear an appeal if one goes ahead.

Mr Ward said the BFL board was pleased with the positive signs which had emerged from Sunbury since the penalty had been announced on Wednesday morning.

The BFL fined Sunbury $10,000 - $5000 of which has been suspended until the end of the 2005 BFL season - and suspended the Lions after finding that the actions of their players, officials and spectators had brought the league, VCFL and game of football into disrepute.

While handing down the suspension, the BFL stated that it would consider re-affiliating Sunbury in time for next season if the Lions could show they had changed their ways through the introduction of a strictly-adhered to code of conduct.

Mr Ward said the BFL board was confident that as a result of the pro-active approach already being shown by Sunbury in this matter, steps being taken by the Sunbury executive could assist its case for re-affiliation.

Sunbury vice-president John Arthur said the Lions wanted to resolve the matter as quickly as possible.

He said the club was determined to play next year - whether it was in the BFL or elsewhere.

"We need to know where we are going so we can get on with the job of recruiting and other planning.

"We're in an awkward position.

"We can't go out and recruit, and our players are being chased.

"We're naturally concerned, but believe we can work through it," Mr Arthur said.

The Sunbury committee met on Wednesday night and will meet again before having talks with the BFL board.

Mr Arthur said to avoid an open slather verbal stoush over the matter, the committee had determined only three club executive members would be permitted to speak publicly on the issue - president Richard Baird, secretary David Kimpton and Mr Arthur.
Mr Arthur said all players had been told they had no authority to speak publicly.

"We intend to talk to the players Friday night (tonight) about it," he said.
He dismissed comments made by suspended player Dean Lupson yesterday.

Mr Arthur said Lupson had had no authority to speak to the media and any comments had made were not sanctioned by the Sunbury Football Club.

Lupson told Win-TV and Channel Nine that the BFL had a vendetta against Sunbury.

"I think it's just another case of them cheating the system again," he said.

"They're a law unto themselves.

"They are a bush court and they been doing it for seven years."

In other issues:

* Mark Fedoruk has handed in his Sunbury Football Club membership to sever ties after the BFL independent tribunal on Tuesday night suspended him for 12 months from holding any official role with the Lions or any other club under VCFL jurisdiction. He was found guilty of misconduct on BFL grand final day.

* Sunbury vice-president and football manager John Arthur has offered to resign from his posts after being found guilty on Tuesday night of misconduct in that he used abusive, insulting threatening and obscene language towards an umpire in the senior grand final.

* Sunbury captain Mark Power, suspended for eight matches on Tuesday night on a striking charge and two charges of misconduct arising from the grand final, remains a required player. Sunbury is planning to talk with Power shortly.

* Non-playing coach Peter Freeman has been offered the coaching job for a second year.
 
I've come back just this once to say - Sunbury IS the problem.

I was there. The trouble in the seniors started when that idiot Sunbury player (I assume it was the Payne boy that was mentioned) DELIBERATELY shouldered the Redan player who kicked the opening goal of the match inside 30 seconds. It was NOT Redan that started that fight - it was Sunbury.

I also saw Mark Power's carry on - and he got what he deserved. In fact I think he got off lightly with just eight weeks!

As for Lupson - who has a history of pathetic behaviour which I think has been mentioned before - he can get out of the game and stay out.

Don't forget the pathetic behaviour of the three Sunbury reserves players who gave the Melton crew the one arm salute from the victory platform. THAT was poor sportsmanship when the game was OVER!

However, I think the fine is enough. Kicking them out for a year is something of an over reaction because not every Sunbury player was guilty of poor behaviour. It was the same with Hepburn a few years back. They got rid of the trouble makers, and cleaned themselves up. Sunbury can do the same.

Although they have made a mistake retaining Power! I wouldn't have after that display! It was pathetic!

That's it - no more from me.
 
Sunbury FC isnt the problem,only certain Officials and Players.I dont doubt that these people have been good servants of the FC,as much as i think 1 is a DH,he is also a ex-President.As for the players,especially the former Coach,i can say that perhaps the time is past for on-field Antics.
 
Originally posted by timelord


That's it - no more from me.
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Well thats the best news ive heard all day, passing judgment on Sunbury FC as a whole is very rich coming from a outsider who clearly has little or any idea on the club.

It is as clear as day that Sunbury has been sterotyped into a rough and tumble dirty big fat rich club which is pathetic. I cant understand why it is that Redan who were clearly having a crack at the man just as much as Sunbury (although with little damage) and they only end up with 1 player sent off??? its bemusing as there are 2 teams playing this sport.
Although i do no condone what Mark Power did Sunbury cant afford to lose a player of his value, he is the club captain, VCFL rep player,League Rep player and also JJ Liston runner up and B&F winner at Nth Ballarat, now you tell me Phil how can you discard a bloke like that???? maybe cause his on 30k a season :D :D you would love that mate.
I actually thought it was great viewing the GF, great to see the punch ups and melees very funny stuff. I cant belive how much the BFL is making a fuss of when Luppo went to jump the fence!!!! it was a light hearted attempt to scare the crowd which actually worked a treat as the group on fence scruffled back hahaha.
Well im hoping Sunbury persure the opportunity to go to the Essendon league, if that is they get accepted to A grade straight away.
The EDFL would gain alot by accepting Sunbury as the league as a whole will rise in standard and depth, could you imagine a better match up than Sunbury VS Keilor?? or Sunbury VS Aberfeldie sounds exciting.

cheers
 
I wasn't going to post again (and the reason had nothing to do with this thread) but Tige has forced my hand.

I cant understand why it is that Redan who were clearly having a crack at the man just as much as Sunbury (although with little damage) and they only end up with 1 player sent off??? its bemusing as there are 2 teams playing this sport.
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Who threw the punches? Sunbury. Who was doing nothing more than pushed and shoving? Redan. That's what I saw. Which game were you watching?

Although i do no condone what Mark Power did Sunbury cant afford to lose a player of his value, he is the club captain, VCFL rep player,League Rep player and also JJ Liston runner up and B&F winner at Nth Ballarat, now you tell me Phil how can you discard a bloke like that???? maybe cause his on 30k a season you would love that mate.
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I'll ignore that last remark because it's irrelevant. I don't care how many accolades Mark Power has. He threw every single one of them right out the window and metaphorically spat on them when he did what he did. That's his value out the window in an instant. There is ZERO honour in retaining a player who is not prepared to leave the ground when he is told by the umpire, especially someone who is supposed to be the leader! Some leader! Give me a break!

I actually thought it was great viewing the GF, great to see the punch ups and melees very funny stuff. I cant belive how much the BFL is making a fuss of when Luppo went to jump the fence!!!! it was a light hearted attempt to scare the crowd which actually worked a treat as the group on fence scruffled back hahaha.
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I wasn't laughing. That is the sort of thing that drives familes away from the game to other sports. I find it offensive that you find humour in that. The last thing we want is fighting in the crowd! Besides Lupson's behaviour went beyond just the crowd incident. We all read what he did at the tribunal. That was NOT ON!

Now I would point out that I do NOT support the banning of the club from the BFL - provided they clean to club up of the trouble makers. Much like Hepburn did as I said. The fine is heavy - even though Sunbury can pay it in comfort - and that should be enough. Redan did nothing wrong except defend themselves. You tell me if that deliberate shoulder thirty seconds into the game was fair or foul (metaphorically speaking)! Or those three brats on the reserve grade victory platform!
 

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Well from the outside looking in, I can only guess what's happened through media reports & word of mouth (both highly inaccurate sources of information:) ).

Lupson is, and has always been an A-Grade *****head, even during his days at Fitzroy and later on at Euroa, where he got suspended for a year (also in a Grand Final), for breaking a Rochester player's jaw during the Goulburn Valley Grand Final in 1990.

Sunbury (like Research in the Diamond Valley League, before they were kicked out in 1991 for similar offences), seems to havea disipline problem (sadly due to a few morons like Dean Lupson etc.), and I think that this suspension is nothing more than a hatchet job by the Ballarat F.L. to get rid of a successful outsider.

When Research got suspended in 1991, a lot of thier senior players & officials went over to Panton Hill, which worried my dad because he thought at the time that thier idiot supporters would follow suit, but it was one of the best things to ever happen to Panton Hill, we got thrown a lifeline, got into the finals the next year, and more importantly the Research & Panton Hill people got along really well.

One of the things that I remember about that era was that there was a feeling that we should try our best to NEVER LET SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN EVER AGAIN., and I believe that Sunbury should be at least be given the chance to pay the fine, and serve a SUSPENDED SENTENCE, for 2-3 years or so, and show the back stabbing journalists & BFL officials that they at least have seen the error of thier ways, Sunbury should at least be given a second chance, anything less than this is a sad reflection on the league as a whole.
 
Originally posted by timelord
I wasn't going to post again (and the reason had nothing to do with this thread) but Tige has forced my hand.



Who threw the punches? Sunbury. Who was doing nothing more than pushed and shoving? Redan. That's what I saw. Which game were you watching?



I'll ignore that last remark because it's irrelevant. I don't care how many accolades Mark Power has. He threw every single one of them right out the window and metaphorically spat on them when he did what he did. That's his value out the window in an instant. There is ZERO honour in retaining a player who is not prepared to leave the ground when he is told by the umpire, especially someone who is supposed to be the leader! Some leader! Give me a break!



I wasn't laughing. That is the sort of thing that drives familes away from the game to other sports. I find it offensive that you find humour in that. The last thing we want is fighting in the crowd! Besides Lupson's behaviour went beyond just the crowd incident. We all read what he did at the tribunal. That was NOT ON!

Now I would point out that I do NOT support the banning of the club from the BFL - provided they clean to club up of the trouble makers. Much like Hepburn did as I said. The fine is heavy - even though Sunbury can pay it in comfort - and that should be enough. Redan did nothing wrong except defend themselves. You tell me if that deliberate shoulder thirty seconds into the game was fair or foul (metaphorically speaking)! Or those three brats on the reserve grade victory platform!
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And these are the reason you cant,never and wont ever play football in your life. You have no idea what runs through a players head GF day or have any idea what its like to be targeted by the opposition constantly.
I say this Phil, stick to Umpiring wish you could play the game hell even dream it but shut the hell up on thinking you know about the actual game of football.
 
Originally posted by lions_threepeat
Hope that the appeal is thrown out. They deserve the suspension.
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Suzi.
If the appeal is Thrown out,Sunbury may take it to Court.Wouldnt THAT embarrass the BFL?,And the VCFA in General.
 
Originally posted by tige19
And these are the reason you cant,never and wont ever play football in your life. You have no idea what runs through a players head GF day or have any idea what its like to be targeted by the opposition constantly.
I say this Phil, stick to Umpiring wish you could play the game hell even dream it but shut the hell up on thinking you know about the actual game of football.
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I think, Mr Downey, that as a Sunbury boy you are a little biased on this issue.
 
Originally posted by tige19
And these are the reason you cant,never and wont ever play football in your life. You have no idea what runs through a players head GF day or have any idea what its like to be targeted by the opposition constantly.
I say this Phil, stick to Umpiring wish you could play the game hell even dream it but shut the hell up on thinking you know about the actual game of football.
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I know more about the game than you ever will - because as Squeak rightly said, you are biased. As long as you are biased you will always have a slanted view. I pride myself on being as neutral as I can - the hall mark of a good umpire. And good umpires understand how players think so they can head off any potential trouble and handle it as appropriate. That includes grand final day - and I've done five of them as field umpire.

If you are targetted by the opposition, then you have to stand up and take what comes and not react as Sunbury did at the grand final - both in the first ten minutes of the senior grand final, and on the victory platform in the reserves.

So take your bias and shove it. Your attitude stinks to high heaven - and the sensible people at the Sunbury FC won't want you as a supporter if this is any indication!
 
Originally posted by timelord
I know more about the game than you ever will - because as Squeak rightly said, you are biased. As long as you are biased you will always have a slanted view. I pride myself on being as neutral as I can - the hall mark of a good umpire. And good umpires understand how players think so they can head off any potential trouble and handle it as appropriate. That includes grand final day - and I've done five of them as field umpire.

If you are targetted by the opposition, then you have to stand up and take what comes and not react as Sunbury did at the grand final - both in the first ten minutes of the senior grand final, and on the victory platform in the reserves.

So take your bias and shove it. Your attitude stinks to high heaven - and the sensible people at the Sunbury FC won't want you as a supporter if this is any indication!
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I would have thought the fact that he is closer to the issue (being a sunbury boy) would help him to make a more informed opinion.Anyone who has had anything to do with that league knows that the BFL have wanted them out anyway they can for some time.I know for a fact Mick Mcguane was in Freemans (coach of sunbury) ear telling him that theres no way Gisborne would hang around in a league after being crucified by the umpires like they were in the GF.So theres an unbiased view for you off someone who has played AFL football.
 
Originally posted by Dog Town
I would have thought the fact that he is closer to the issue (being a sunbury boy) would help him to make a more informed opinion.Anyone who has had anything to do with that league knows that the BFL have wanted them out anyway they can for some time.I know for a fact Mick Mcguane was in Freemans (coach of sunbury) ear telling him that theres no way Gisborne would hang around in a league after being crucified by the umpires like they were in the GF.So theres an unbiased view for you off someone who has played AFL football.
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It might be fun to revisit at this time the Sunbury whinges of a year ago about how Redan bought last year's flag.

Seems they're pretty difficult to please.
 
The Bendigo Football League has ruled out Sunbury joining next season even though they are on the lookout for a 10th team. They've basically said they won't ask a club more than 100km's away.
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
It might be fun to revisit at this time the Sunbury whinges of a year ago about how Redan bought last year's flag.

Seems they're pretty difficult to please.
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What do you mean by bought?Its not a whinge I have watched the tape and some of the decisions are mind boggling.People who absolutely hate Sunbury (pretty much anyone who doesn't play for them) have said they got arse r*ped.How you can send 4 players off and only 1 of the opposition is staggering.The fact that Sunburys under 18s have been involved in the last 11 grand finals and won 7 of them isnt really an encouraging thought for the future if your a ballarat club and dont think for a second that half the clubs in the comp wernt on the phone to Sunbury players the day after they were suspended trying to get there signature.The BFL looks after the Ballarat teams and thats why they couldnt wait to kick them out.
 
Originally posted by Dog Town
What do you mean by bought?Its not a whinge I have watched the tape and some of the decisions are mind boggling.People who absolutely hate Sunbury (pretty much anyone who doesn't play for them) have said they got arse r*ped.How you can send 4 players off and only 1 of the opposition is staggering.The fact that Sunburys under 18s have been involved in the last 11 grand finals and won 7 of them isnt really an encouraging thought for the future if your a ballarat club and dont think for a second that half the clubs in the comp wernt on the phone to Sunbury players the day after they were suspended trying to get there signature.The BFL looks after the Ballarat teams and thats why they couldnt wait to kick them out.
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Was talking about the 2002 GF.

Originally posted by Dog Town
How you can send 4 players off and only 1 of the opposition is staggering.
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What's staggering about that? In the 1989 GF (VFL) there were a number of reports that game, all against only one side, yet they were all legit.

In the thick of the reports ... one Dean Lupson.
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
Was talking about the 2002 GF.



What's staggering about that? In the 1989 GF (VFL) there were a number of reports that game, all against only one side, yet they were all legit.

In the thick of the reports ... one Dean Lupson.
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I dont think Redan bought a flag.They are one of the only sides who develops there youth like Sunbury as opposed to going out and buying blokes.There the team that most years will have a strong under 18s like Sunbury.

Its staggering when you look at the incident.The retaliators didnt just get caught they got r*ped,pillaged and had a flag ripped from under them.
 

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