Free Agency Stephen Coniglio

[TylerDurden]

Even though the saints know he’s not going there and have already moved on. There is only one club in Victoria he is considering and it’s the one this board desperately wants him not to go to.

Boom.

 

[Chioli]

Sorry im not making a case for any club I'm passing on direct information. Maybe you should head down to his manager's office in Hawthorn and make St Kilda's case.

I could make an argument for 5 clubs;

Freo: Home sweet home

WCE: Home for success

Stk: upward trajectory, Most money

Carl: Young list with lots of talent, well paying

Haw: Big Victorian club

On the flip side I could argue against all 5 clubs

Freo: Not in the window or well paying

WCE: No money

Stk: Slowly rising and playing a slow less exciting brand of footy.

Carl: Less money then STK, still half way through a rebuild

Haw: Not rising, going down for a rebuild, no money.

I think Cogs will not go home, no draw from Freo, no money and have a list that minus, Fyfe, Mundy, Walters, (all coming to the end) is looking a little bland. How do the Eagles fit him in to the cap.
Hawthorn are going to need to bottom out and go again, missing pivotal talent in the 19-23 range Worpel, Hardwick, Sicily, (who is 24). But are missing keys and need to draft before going again. I would rule those three clubs out.

That leaves the Saints and the Blues. I would pick the Saints

A. More money
B. I would argue that they are more closer to a flag
C. Have talented youth that are proving they can be elite, Billings, Gresham, Clark, Coffield, and more.


With all that I reckon he stays at GWS and this all this discussion is for nothing.

But if he leaves, Welcome to St Kilda Steve. Make yourself at home.


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[Sixpence]

I could make an argument for 5 clubs;

Freo: Home sweet home

WCE: Home for success

Stk: upward trajectory, Most money

Carl: Young list with lots of talent, well paying

Haw: Big Victorian club

On the flip side I could argue against all 5 clubs

Freo: Not in the window or well paying

WCE: No money

Stk: Slowly rising and playing a slow less exciting brand of footy.

Carl: Less money then STK, still half way through a rebuild

Haw: Not rising, going down for a rebuild, no money.

I think Cogs will not go home, no draw from Freo, no money and have a list that minus, Fyfe, Mundy, Walters, (all coming to the end) is looking a little bland. How do the Eagles fit him in to the cap.
Hawthorn are going to need to bottom out and go again, missing pivotal talent in the 19-23 range Worpel, Hardwick, Sicily, (who is 24). But are missing keys and need to draft before going again. I would rule those three clubs out.

That leaves the Saints and the Blues. I would pick the Saints

A. More money
B. I would argue that they are more closer to a flag
C. Have talented youth that are proving they can be elite, Billings, Gresham, Clark, Coffield, and more.


With all that I reckon he stays at GWS and this all this discussion is for nothing.

But if he leaves, Welcome to St Kilda Steve. Make yourself at home.


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What makes you think we have no money?

 

[WWSD]

What makes you think we have no money?

22 out of contract Hawthorn players and the Hawks have no cap space apparently.

Bigfooty logic.

 

[Chaisa]

22 out of contract Hawthorn players and the Hawks have no cap space apparently.

Bigfooty logic.

The question is not "do the Hawks have money". The question is "can/will the Hawks outbid other clubs". I can see an argument for him taking a bit less to go to Hawthorn over Carlton/St Kilda, but I'm skeptical he'd take around $800-900k to go to Hawthorn, and I'm not sure the Hawks would bid Buddy money for him.

 

[Rad Roo]

Even though the saints know he’s not going there and have already moved on. There is only one club in Victoria he is considering and it’s the one this board desperately wants him not to go to.

Dont worry he is not going to hawthorn as they have no money, team list is shot but most importantly no cap space. Players will say all kind of things like culture, success, playing in familiar VIC, at the end of the day, it's money, always will be money of course you can't say it. Recently, GWS GM had a few choiced words for Adam Trelor, he went not because he want to closer to family, it's more money, always more money.

 

[Lore]

Dont worry he is not going to hawthorn as they have no money, team list is shot but most importantly no cap space. Players will say all kind of things like culture, success, playing in familiar VIC, at the end of the day, it's money, always will be money of course you can't say it. Recently, GWS GM had a few choiced words for Adam Trelor, he went not because he want to closer to family, it's more money, always more money.

That's a ridiculous comment and I think there's plenty of evidence to show that it isn't just money, more money.

 

[Hawkie_McHawkHawk]

Dont worry he is not going to hawthorn as they have no money, team list is shot but most importantly no cap space. Players will say all kind of things like culture, success, playing in familiar VIC, at the end of the day, it's money, always will be money of course you can't say it. Recently, GWS GM had a few choiced words for Adam Trelor, he went not because he want to closer to family, it's more money, always more money.

You’re either quite young or a little slow. Many a player chooses a team based on success, location amongst other things. Money might rule your world but a happy work environment is up there for many people in all walks of life.

 

[Sixpence]

The question is not "do the Hawks have money". The question is "can/will the Hawks outbid other clubs". I can see an argument for him taking a bit less to go to Hawthorn over Carlton/St Kilda, but I'm skeptical he'd take around $800-900k to go to Hawthorn, and I'm not sure the Hawks would bid Buddy money for him.

I can't see us offering the most, but we can still afford to make him a decent offer, ie circa 1 mill (Rad Roo is living in a different universe with his No Money claim). I don't think Cogs is driven by money, so I don't think we need to offer him the most either. One massive draw card we have over St Kilda and Carlton is our coach. His choices are either a coach who he doesn't yet know, a coach who he does know who may or may not be there next year or the best coach in the league who has reaffirmed time and time again he'll stay on. I think that would factor heavily on his decision.

I know people like to dismiss his connection with Jaegar and while it wouldn't be a huge factor, it'd still be a factor. If you had a choice of 3 job offers and all had their pros and cons, why wouldn't you consider the one where your best mate works?

 

[Rad Roo]

That's a ridiculous comment and I think there's plenty of evidence to show that it isn't just money, more money.

Free agents move for money, full stop, if the money isn't significantly greater, there won't be free agency. Before you bring out exception, the only one that stood out was dangerfield, he needed to be closer to family but every other free agent moved for money (and job security) that they couldn't have gotten at their club. Of course the next layer of consideration is club suitability as the need of the club and how does the agent fit in, other players around him, fortunes of the club, perhaps post career pathways. Priority is always money as people die for money, bird dies for food (chinese proverb), it's natural human instinct.

Now to address your actual statement, '...money, more money', if you were on 800k, 950k isn't a big deal but if someone else is willing to 1.2 - 1.4 million then its 500k more and if you times that by 6, that's 3 extra millions. Fortunes of club can change very very quickly, those in premiership contention can suddenly find themselves in the bottom 4 and those at 10th can be in contention for top 4 if not the flag.

 

[Rad Roo]

You’re either quite young or a little slow. Many a player chooses a team based on success, location amongst other things. Money might rule your world but a happy work environment is up there for many people in all walks of life.

Yes success, if a club is in the bottom 4 like yours, i don't think that qualify as success, of course st kilda is also in bottom 4 for that matter and they pay 400k more..... Cash is king baby, at the end of your career, you can't live off the medals but the money. And in terms of players, hawthorn has at least 10 players that won't be there in the next 2 years via retirement/delisting and they are the core list players. So if congnilio is expected to take up the burden in a negative manner, it would be a big cross.

 

[West World]

Near enough but not good enough? Sounds like an All Australian superstar mid could be a good target for them

What about all the aging stars that will be hanging the boots up in the next couple of years?

Burgoyne
Pupolo
Frawley
Stratton
Smith
McEnvoy
Roughead

Fair list.

 

[Rad Roo]

The question is not "do the Hawks have money". The question is "can/will the Hawks outbid other clubs". I can see an argument for him taking a bit less to go to Hawthorn over Carlton/St Kilda, but I'm skeptical he'd take around $800-900k to go to Hawthorn, and I'm not sure the Hawks would bid Buddy money for him.

well they are also after patton, so i am not sure where congnilio comes from. You need at least 900k for patton and to add that to 1 mil for congnilio, that's almost 2 million. How many players need to be gutted to get these 2 without killing the entire list.

 

[West World]

im pretty sure he is not going to a non vic team...

How are you so sure?

Do you know him or a someone who does?

 

[Rad Roo]

What about all the aging stars that will be hanging the boots up in the next couple of years?

Burgoyne
Pupolo
Frawley
Stratton
Smith
McEnvoy
Roughead

Fair list.

Hmmmm, some spinal players. How to replace.......patton looks like a very useful get to start off with, at least 900k

 

[West World]

well they are also after patton, so i am not sure where congnilio comes from. You need at least 900k for patton and to add that to 1 mil for congnilio, that's almost 2 million. How many players need to be gutted to get these 2 without killing the entire list.

Patton may move and GWS still need to pay a part of his 2020 salary.

 

[Rad Roo]

How are you so sure?

Do you know him or a someone who does?

look up big name GWS players, they all went to Vic teams, most of the 2nd tier players also went to vic teams.

 

[Kwality]

Even though the saints know he’s not going there and have already moved on. There is only one club in Victoria he is considering and it’s the one this board desperately wants him not to go to.

You mean he's joining his mate from WA, good luck, I'd prefer him to stay in Sydney, its better for the game.

 

[West World]

look up big name GWS players, they all went to Vic teams, most of the 2nd tier players also went to vic teams.

Thats it?

Wilson and Lobbe went back home.

How many Non Victorians moved to Melbourne from GWS?

 

[stfan]

I can't see us offering the most, but we can still afford to make him a decent offer, ie circa 1 mill (Rad Roo is living in a different universe with his No Money claim). I don't think Cogs is driven by money, so I don't think we need to offer him the most either. One massive draw card we have over St Kilda and Carlton is our coach. His choices are either a coach who he doesn't yet know, a coach who he does know who may or may not be there next year or the best coach in the league who has reaffirmed time and time again he'll stay on. I think that would factor heavily on his decision.

I know people like to dismiss his connection with Jaegar and while it wouldn't be a huge factor, it'd still be a factor. If you had a choice of 3 job offers and all had their pros and cons, why wouldn't you consider the one where your best mate works?

I actually left the job where the best mate worked for better opportunity and more overall reward, including lifestyle, elsewhere.

 

[Rad Roo]

Thats it?

Williams and Lobbe went back home.

How many Non Victorians moved to Melbourne from GWS?

williams and lobbes, never heard of them before, esp williams. Also i did say the big names from GWS i.e. Kelly, Whitfield, Hopper, Tarrantino, Shiel, Congnilio, Cameron and Patton etc, Lobbe is a 2nd ruck for GWS and william, don't care.

 

[Lore]

Free agents move for money, full stop, if the money isn't significantly greater, there won't be free agency. Before you bring out exception, the only one that stood out was dangerfield, he needed to be closer to family but every other free agent moved for money (and job security) that they couldn't have gotten at their club. Of course the next layer of consideration is club suitability as the need of the club and how does the agent fit in, other players around him, fortunes of the club, perhaps post career pathways. Priority is always money as people die for money, bird dies for food (chinese proverb), it's natural human instinct.

Now to address your actual statement, '...money, more money', if you were on 800k, 950k isn't a big deal but if someone else is willing to 1.2 - 1.4 million then its 500k more and if you times that by 6, that's 3 extra millions. Fortunes of club can change very very quickly, those in premiership contention can suddenly find themselves in the bottom 4 and those at 10th can be in contention for top 4 if not the flag.

'More money' was your comment. Feel free to discuss the definition of it with yourself if you need to.

The evidence that we have about players' decision making points to a large number of other factors that help them make decisions about leaving a club and where their destination will be. It is not always to the highest bidder.

 

[DINEnDASH]

Coniglio to WCE.
TK to Freo.
Both Hills to Melbourne.

 

[West World]

williams and lobbes, never heard of them before, esp williams. Also i did say the big names from GWS i.e. Kelly, Whitfield, Hopper, Tarrantino, Shiel, Congnilio, Cameron and Patton etc, Lobbe is a 2nd ruck for GWS and william, don't care.

My bad Wilson not Williams.

And you havent heard of Lobbe?

What about McCarthy?

Those big names you listed are all still at GWS and havent moved so how are they even relevant?

Ok you have answered my question you'r just guessing about Coniglio.

 

[Gosaints12]

What makes you think we have no money?

You’re list


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