Roast St Kilda in no mans land

[aussierulesrules]

The premise of the thread is that you have to go to bottom four for a few years to build a decent list. With that in mind it will be interesting to see if we can eventually end up as contenders.

As a general rule I think it’s better than being stuck in the middle part of the ladder, but that changes I reckon if you land “difference makers” like I think Phillipou and Wanganeen Milera are, with mid-first rounders.

I think Pou in particular has what’s required to be that Heeney/Bont/Petracca/Dusty/Danger type, that you can build a list and team around, and who you normally need a top 4 pick to acquire.

He’s looking every bit like being that big-bodied guy, that can kill it in the midfield and then push or play forward and kick goals, and landing one of them at 10 (like Adelaide did with Danger) can enable you to avoid bottoming out.

Looking at Hawthorn who will probably win a flag or three in the next few years, and they may only have Watson who they landed with a top 5 pick. And that was pick 5.

I think our list build is EXTREMELY similar to theirs, and if we have a good year this year, we’ll land our versions of Barrass and Battle in October.

 

[The Nostradamus]

The premise of the thread is that you have to go to bottom four for a few years to build a decent list. With that in mind it will be interesting to see if we can eventually end up as contenders.

with exceptions of teams getting lucky with elite father sons and academy players (eg brisbane, pies and sydney)

 

[mattwa]

Can we have macrae back?

 

[projectv]

2 wins from their last 13 games, both against bottom 3 teams.

AFL doing their best to give them a hand though, drawing them to play all those bottom 3 teams from last year in the first 6 rounds this year!

Carlton need all the help they can get with clubs like St Kilda looting them of their good players.

 

[phantom13]

Can we have macrae back?

No

 

[Mr Meow]

Have St.Kilda gone past Geelong?

Carlton are their more natural rivals. Geelong sparks rivalries with whichever the top 4 teams of a period are. Hence Hawthorn are once again rivals now that they are relevant. Collingwood often are. Richmond were for a time, but not anymore. It used to be St Kilda 15-20 years ago.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Have St.Kilda gone past Geelong?

Reasonable question

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Here's another question ...

Why is this thread still on the Main Board but the Carlton in No Man's Land thread been moved to the Bay?

 

[Nvent]

Here's another question ...

Why is this thread still on the Main Board but the Carlton in No Man's Land thread been moved to the Bay?

Most likely as Carlton are below that point

 

[Pistol Night]

Here's another question ...

Why is this thread still on the Main Board but the Carlton in No Man's Land thread been moved to the Bay?

I think we all know why..

 

[Yoda_]

8 players with less than 50 games is enough cause for optimism in any Saints supporter and rightly so.

Get more influence out of generation next (not just Nassau) but the next generation and they could be a very good side.

 

[Pistol Night]

8 players with less than 50 games is enough cause for optimism in any Saints supporter and rightly so.

Get more influence out of generation next (not just Nassau) but the next generation and they could be a very good side.

Hopefully. The team and their supporters deserve some joy for putting up with everyones shit for so long

 

[Yoda_]

Its nice they have a couple of Sandringham players who look deserving of a (possible) opportunity at years end


(edit. they did not fulfil the promise of drafting one Sandringham player at the end of 2024 - exodus ensured)

 

[Tasmanian saint]

This is pretty fair. I’m not sure why people are taking issue with this genuinely.

On the right track but have a noticeable gap in the middle. We have talent there but no one who could elevate to the top tier just yet.


This is where I disagree. To get the cream of the crop midfielders like Lalor for example you’d need a top 3 pick. We’re not that bad to be in that tier especially with Tasmania expecting to be coming.

If we have the coin why not try and plug our biggest hole? Makes no sense to correctly identify our issue but then tell us not to try and fix it

Disagree plenty of great midfielders have come outside the top3 picks we took Lenny Hayes at pick 13 jimmy Bartel bont , Merrett Theres a huge list you just need to pick the right player and develop them

 

[Tasmanian saint]

It’s going to be really hard to say exactly where we’re at until we get King and Phillipou back in particular and probably Steele.

We literally haven’t seen any of the following this year yet, so until we see how they come back, and how we go with them in there, it’s largely guesswork:

King
Phillipou
Henry
Howard
Butler

The first 4 in particular could make a BIG difference, as Max is an enormous upgrade on what we got from Keeler on the weekend in particular, Phillipou looked like he was ready to explode into one of the best young players in the comp, before his injury, Henry is a fire starter, while we’ve been incredibly short down back, so we could really really do with getting Howard back.

Which would in turn free up Caminiti and/or Wilkie to play more of an intercepting role.

Given what we’ve been doing without them, and Steele the last two weeks, there wouldn’t be many teams we’d fear if we managed to get close to full strength.

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I just hope we don’t change the way we play when king comes back , seem to fall into the trap of bombing the ball into his area 24/7 make us a lot easier to read and defend

 

[PJays]

I just hope we don’t change the way we play when king comes back , seem to fall into the trap of bombing the ball into his area 24/7 make us a lot easier to read and defend

100%

I'd like to know

- St Kildas W/L with and without King since the beginning of 2023

- Average points scored in games with King vs without King since beginning of 2023

I'm fairly sure the W/L and points for are better without him.

It's good in some respects, it demonstrates depth and a team oriented game plan.

But ultimately we've signed him for 8 years- we need to learn how to utilise him effectively while still harnessing the good aspects of the overall game plan.

 

[projectv]

Its nice they have a couple of Sandringham players who look deserving of a (possible) opportunity at years end


(edit. they did not fulfil the promise of drafting one Sandringham player at the end of 2024 - exodus ensured)

That promise bit us in the arse last year, there wasn't really anyone that deserved to be drafted.

We even passed on two of our own NGA players.

 

[Sainter3and7]

I worry that King's career will parallel Kozi.

 

[My Tilly]

I worry that King's career will parallel Kozi.

You guys play better without him.

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

Same for you guys

There's still another 74 years left in the current century so it's not a lost cause by any means!

 

[Yoda_]

Here's another question ...

Why is this thread still on the Main Board but the Carlton in No Man's Land thread been moved to the Bay?

about 9 other threads to discuss Carlton are still on the MB, thats probably why

 

[NetworkNerd]

Away from Marvel.. there definitely looks to be a bit of a gap between St Kilda and the top sides...

 

[RCAB]

Away from Marvel.. there definitely looks to be a bit of a gap between St Kilda and the top sides...

No

 

[Nvent]

Away from Marvel.. there definitely looks to be a bit of a gap between St Kilda and the top sides...

Did well considering injuries. Exceptional young talent.

 

[Daka]

Saints have been playing above expected levels this season but today it showed difference between a real team & a middle of the road side.

They have looked ordinary against two good sides now in the Crows & GWS.