Strategy So, if a club just decided to walk someone to the PSD?

[Scrads]

Could be at least partially solved by putting a maximum contract limit on players that enter it so that when it happens, it's only for lower-tier players.

Players wanting a higher contract would then have to enter the national draft, where teams can haggle for picks (including live trading) and the future of the player is much less certain.

 

[WilloTree]

Yeah its a wind up.

Oh I know.

It does beg the question though.

Is there any real difference between deciding you aren't going to trade for a player at the outset and walking him straight to the draft, as the OP stated, and making an offer you know will get rejected and then walking him to the draft, as Carlton did with Martin?

The intent and result are the same.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

It would be interesting. We'll find out when Carlton walk Saad into the PSD.

 

[Damon_3388]

A club should do it, to force change in the system. The current format is pretty half-arsed and illogical.

Out of contract should mean out of contract, and not still require a trade or re-drafting of a player to acquire them.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Looks like Adelaide just walked Hately

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[Scotland]

Theoretically this could/should happen more than it does, but I think there is unwritten rules of the game and this is one of them, list management teams all have a job to do and they realise what goes around comes around so better to try and trade amicably.

Doesn't happen often because a risk still exists unless the club has pick 1 in the PSD.

When we traded Judd to Carlton, Richmond had the #1 pick in the PSD. Whatever terms were nominated, they would have looked at Judd for a free hit.

Other than Luke Ball how many sought after players have gone into the ND? Clubs don't want to pass on gun 18 year olds to take experienced players that want to be elsewhere.

The PSD is a relic that the AFL should just get rid of. With RFA, UFA and DFA status and trades it serves no real purpose. Jeremy Cameron

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is from Western Victoria so could've decided to move to Adelaide. Crows have picks 1, 9, 22, 23, 40. What is their motivation to compensate GWS if a mechanism exists where they can get Cameron for nothing via the PSD and then take the best kid in the draft? It should be one or the other.

 

[Scotland]

A club should do it, to force change in the system. The current format is pretty half-arsed and illogical.

Out of contract should mean out of contract, and not still require a trade or re-drafting of a player to acquire them.

You are out of contract with the AFL, though. If you want to go and play for another football club outside the AFL there is nothing stopping you, but the rules exist to stop players being drafted to club A at 18, playing two years them just signing for club B and 20.

Clubs having some power over out of contract player movement is a necessary evil because they don't control contracted player movement. The only reason Adam Treloar

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is a Bulldog today is because he agreed to it. If he said '**** you, $900k a year or GTFO' there's not much Collingwood could have done about it.

 

[eastfreo75]

So say Adelaide finished last next year, had pick 1 in the PSD as a result, and say Rakine was out of contract next year after a super season with GC. If Adelaide then decided they wernt going to trade for him, didn't even talk to GC and then walked him through the PSD without any attempt to trade, would the AFL allow that, or is there an expectation that a trade should be attempted? Say the AFL try mediation and the Crows say, not interested in a trade, and walked out, would the AFL let GC lose one of their best talents for nothing?

Could the AFL do anything?

No

 

[Damon_3388]

You are out of contract with the AFL, though. If you want to go and play for another football club outside the AFL there is nothing stopping you, but the rules exist to stop players being drafted to club A at 18, playing two years them just signing for club B and 20.

Clubs having some power over out of contract player movement is a necessary evil because they don't control contracted player movement. The only reason Adam Treloar

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is a Bulldog today is because he agreed to it. If he said 'fu** you, $900k a year or GTFO' there's not much Collingwood could have done about it.

I still don't think a player should be tradeable currency if they are uncontracted. They should be able to just sign with another club if they want when their contract ends. Trades should only be for contracted players.

If you lose a player, you lose a player. No compensation picks or bail-outs. Use the cap space and list spot on someone else, re-load, and go again.

 

[Scotland]

I still don't think a player should be tradeable currency if they are uncontracted. They should be able to just sign with another club if they want when their contract ends. Trades should only be for contracted players.

If you lose a player, you lose a player. No compensation picks or bail-outs. Use the cap space and list spot on someone else, re-load, and go again.

That's fair enough, so long as you accept that GC and GWS will just act as two year development squads.

 

[The 747]

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to go with it. Poor form but that is how the Crows roll these days.

 

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to go with it. Poor form but that is how the Crows roll these days.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Essendon and Adrian dodoro would be about the only club unprofessional enough to do something like that

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

If a trade can’t be arranged then the player should have to enter the draft and not only the PSD. In my view the PSD should be left for delisted players or anyone not selected in the main draft/mature aged state players. Not for clubs to use as a bargaining chip to lessen a players value.

 

[Damon_3388]

That's fair enough, so long as you accept that GC and GWS will just act as two year development squads.

I don't really care if they do.

I also feel like they eventually can grow and develop a club just like everyone else did once upon a time.

 

[The 747]

If a trade can’t be arranged then the player should have to enter the draft and not only the PSD. In my view the PSD should be left for delisted players or anyone not selected in the main draft/mature aged state players. Not for clubs to use as a bargaining chip to lessen a players value.

Seems like a bit of a left over these days that essentially benefits a couple of lower finishing clubs. With DFA and FA signings, it seems unnecessary.

 

[danielG]

Seems like a bit of a left over these days that essentially benefits a couple of lower finishing clubs. With DFA and FA signings, it seems unnecessary.

So say Adelaide finished last next year, had pick 1 in the PSD as a result, and say Rakine was out of contract next year after a super season with GC. If Adelaide then decided they wernt going to trade for him, didn't even talk to GC and then walked him through the PSD without any attempt to trade, would the AFL allow that, or is there an expectation that a trade should be attempted? Say the AFL try mediation and the Crows say, not interested in a trade, and walked out, would the AFL let GC lose one of their best talents for nothing?

Could the AFL do anything?

It’s another loop hole in the AFL system that needs to be closed out before it’s taken full advantage of.. The crows are partially taking advantage here getting the GWS kid to nominate and offering understanding ..
Next year it will be a gun free agent or out of contract that walks to the bottom team for nothing and cause uproar..
easy option.. no PSD or just for delisted players or Kids not picked up in the draft..
If the AFL spent a morning workshopping all this it could be fixed by lunchtime but the AFL is too shortsighted and amateurish..

 

[lozstar]

Essendon and Adrian dodoro would be about the only club unprofessional enough to do something like that

didnt carlton do it last year?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

didnt carlton do it last year?

Yes but we are a prestigious Big 4 Victorian Club with many supporters in the media.

Didn't hurt our reputation at all, with us adding 2 A Graders in Z-will and Saad this off season.

But as I said previously, Rankine is contracted till 2022, so the Crows will have to wait till then to try this.

 

[Bad Seed]

The PSD is probably one of the most farcical and bizarre trading anomalies going around. Simple solution - if an uncontracted player doesn't get traded, he goes into the national draft. There is absolutely no need for the PSD and it's only used to serve as leverage for the Clubs losing players where the national draft can be used for the same purpose anyway. Should have been scrapped 15 years ago.

 

[The 747]

didnt carlton do it last year?

Carlton had made a somewhat realistic attempt to trade for Martin though.

 

[Vindicater]

So say Adelaide finished last next year, had pick 1 in the PSD as a result, and say Rakine was out of contract next year after a super season with GC. If Adelaide then decided they wernt going to trade for him, didn't even talk to GC and then walked him through the PSD without any attempt to trade, would the AFL allow that, or is there an expectation that a trade should be attempted? Say the AFL try mediation and the Crows say, not interested in a trade, and walked out, would the AFL let GC lose one of their best talents for nothing?

Could the AFL do anything?

No but Adelaide would automatically have a worse reputation than Essendon.

 

[Laphroaig]

If a trade can’t be arranged then the player should have to enter the draft and not only the PSD. In my view the PSD should be left for delisted players or anyone not selected in the main draft/mature aged state players. Not for clubs to use as a bargaining chip to lessen a players value.

So you think that once a player has a contract with a club he is then the property of the Club? Forever, until they decide to scrap him?

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

So you think that once a player has a contract with a club he is then the property of the Club? Forever, until they decide to scrap him?

At no point what so ever did I even slightly make a reference to the original club having outright ownership over the player. There needs to be a level of commitment to the player by the new club if they want the player to join them and not threaten that they will just take them for free in the PSD. If they aren’t willing to pay for the player and trade for them as you do for anyone else, then the player should go into the main draft. Good chance the new club will still take that player in the main draft but Atleast they have to give something up for them and not get a free hit for a player they clearly rate and want.

 

[Scotland]

I don't really care if they do.

I also feel like they eventually can grow and develop a club just like everyone else did once upon a time.

Do you think we should have a draft?