Moved Thread Should the AFL have a full pride round?

[Dynamics]

Depending on your definition of transitioning, between 3% and 0.15% of people who transition regret transitioning.

Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence - PMC

Supplemental Digital Content is available in the text.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I acknowledge that this still leaves a subset of the population that regrets their transition, but 3% of what is already a small percentage of the population (39 from 10,000 individuals) is much lower than the binary you're proposing as equal.

That examples exist does not entail that those examples are representative of a wider population.

Thanks for the link, I'll have a read.

 

[AFootballParent]

Whilst we are at it, lets have a religious round, a government round, a global warming round, a anti war round....

Sport is meant to be above politics and should be about sport. There are much better avenues to push agendas.

 

[Goroyals22]

At an NRL game a guy was punched because he spoke during an Anzac minute’s silence. I wouldn’t dare do anything during those times lest I was assaulted by some angry nationalist sitting next to me.



There’s some videos of AFL games that’ve had a welcome to country or a pre match Dreamtime ceremony. Some of them include crowd shots. There’s plenty of the crowd milling about, walking to/from seats, chatting amongst themselves and on their phones as the ceremony is conducted.

Zero chance that will be tolerated at an Anzac game during the last post or minute’s silence.

So not really a choice tbh.

So if you despise it so much it’s still your choice you just have no courage to back up your thoughts on it.

 

[Gethelred]

Sport is meant to be above politics and should be about sport.

At no point throughout the entirety of history has this ever been true.

 

[Schneebly11]

Because the minutes silence is honouring the fallen done once a year whereas the welcome to country is just words repeated to death.

That’s how you interpret it, fine. Others will interpret it differently.

Even if you have that interpretation of it then it still goes back to my main point, “honouring the fallen” has nothing to do with the game of football. The line of argument was (from a previous post) I don't think we should have any themed rounds that aren't focussed on footy.

But now we have to endure a pre match ritual that is not related to football because of the significance you personally attach to it.

You can choose to attend a specific Anzac Day ceremony if you wish to “honour the fallen”, in your words. But if people attending the football do not wish to be subjected to that sort of thing then they shouldn’t, if that’s the line of argument used to argue for a move away from Pride or Indigenous themed games.

Suspect that if they called a minutes silence to acknowledge a tragedy or passing of a great indigenous leader, there would be silence as well

I doubt it, because this country as a whole can’t even acknowledge what happened to indigenous persons upon European settlement. When there was a brief tribute to Jack Charles passing flashed up on the screens pre game at the GF there was no enforced silence, the crowd were milling about and chatting and moving. Luminaries like Sam Newman took the opportunity to have a go at Jack.

Absolutely no way you’d get that amount of pushback with an Anzac ceremony.

 

[Schneebly11]

At no point throughout the entirety of history has this ever been true.

Yep, go back 2800 years to the Ancient Greek Olympics. It was basically an excuse for politics to be played out between the various Greek city states short of full blown war.

When people say they’re against ‘politics in sports’ they’re basically using it as an excuse to argue against things they dislike, whether it be political or not. Colin Kapernick was forced to stand and observe the playing of the US National Anthem at NFL games, obediently observing this worship of the state. But it only became ‘political’ when he chose not to.

 

[Gethelred]

Yep, go back 2800 years to the Ancient Greek Olympics. It was basically an excuse for politics to be played out between the various Greek city states short of full blown war.

When people say they’re against ‘politics in sports’ they’re basically using it as an excuse to argue against things they dislike, whether it be political or not. Colin Kapernick was forced to stand and observe the playing of the US National Anthem at NFL games, obediently observing this worship of the state. But it only became ‘political’ when he chose not to.

It's pretty silly.

"Keep politics out of sport" is, itself, a political position; you're defining what is not an acceptable space for political engagement to occur in.

 

[Schneebly11]

It's pretty silly.

"Keep politics out of sport" is, itself, a political position; you're defining what is not an acceptable space for political engagement to occur in.

As well as the political position of I deem what is political or not, therefore acceptable or not at sports. To me Pride and Indigenous rounds are political and should therefore be banned, but Anzac is non political and therefore will be included.

One could say as an event focused on members of the Australian government then Anzac is the most political out of all the 3.

 

[Chief]

No.

Keep pride s**t out of footy. I really don’t give a * who people are sleeping with and nor should you.


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And yet the early history of organised British sport (and thus a huge chunk of modern sport) is about trying to keep Christian boys from being gay.

 

[Schneebly11]

Such a bad take LMAO? Imagine comparing ANZAC to LGBTQ

What’s the difference? They’re both things that are non-footy related being presented at the footy as a ‘theme’ round. I can’t see how logically you can accept one being recognised at a game but not the other, if your overall goal is to only concentrate on the footy at footy games.

 

[Rob R]

Did you grow up in the era where they made you sing the national anthem everyday at school?

Once a week and stopped in grade 2. Don't sing it these days but will generally sit quietly as it is the national anthem and therefore a lot more relevant than the welcome to country (mind you if I am in a meeting and someone does a welcome, I keep quiet to be polite and read material or something to get ready for the actual meeting)

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[Geelong_Sicko]

Yep, go back 2800 years to the Ancient Greek Olympics. It was basically an excuse for politics to be played out between the various Greek city states short of full blown war.

Yep. STARK NAKED POLITICS!!!

Naked Olympics: Athletes at the Ancient Olympics Competed in the Nude

Can you imaging sitting down with the family to watch a group of naked men, with their olive oil-soaked bodies glistening in the sunshine, running around and flexing their muscles?

www.ancient-origins.net

 

[Rob R]

That’s how you interpret it, fine. Others will interpret it differently.

Even if you have that interpretation of it then it still goes back to my main point, “honouring the fallen” has nothing to do with the game of football. The line of argument was (from a previous post) I don't think we should have any themed rounds that aren't focussed on footy.

But now we have to endure a pre match ritual that is not related to football because of the significance you personally attach to it.

You can choose to attend a specific Anzac Day ceremony if you wish to “honour the fallen”, in your words. But if people attending the football do not wish to be subjected to that sort of thing then they shouldn’t, if that’s the line of argument used to argue for a move away from Pride or Indigenous themed games.



I doubt it, because this country as a whole can’t even acknowledge what happened to indigenous persons upon European settlement. When there was a brief tribute to Jack Charles passing flashed up on the screens pre game at the GF there was no enforced silence, the crowd were milling about and chatting and moving. Luminaries like Sam Newman took the opportunity to have a go at Jack.

Absolutely no way you’d get that amount of pushback with an Anzac ceremony.

Did they actually ask people to be quiet? Disappointing people had a go at him as whilst he had a lengthy criminal career, he never hurt anyone, hasn't offended in decades and has done a lot of good.

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[frenchconnection]

Why? As a straight person, my sexuality is already widely accepted and I can be open about it without any fear of judgment or negative repercussions. There is no need to campaign for acceptance of being straight because no one gives a s**t if you are.

Well I don’t give a s##t whether someone is gay or not either - personally can’t see the need for these special rounds as it’s only a game of football - politics shouldn’t play a part no matter what it’s about.

 

[Gethelred]

Well I don’t give a s##t whether someone is gay or not either - personally can’t see the need for these special rounds as it’s only a game of football - politics shouldn’t play a part no matter what it’s about.

Are you willing to wear the reality that your position is an ignorant one?

 

[ElectricG]

And yet the early history of organised British sport (and thus a huge chunk of modern sport) is about trying to keep Christian boys from being gay.

What

 

[Schneebly11]

Well I don’t give a s##t whether someone is gay or not either - personally can’t see the need for these special rounds as it’s only a game of football - politics shouldn’t play a part no matter what it’s about.

How is Pride political? Do they stand out there and tell you what party to vote for in the next election?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

How is Pride political? Do they stand out there and tell you what party to vote for in the next election?

If it's pro-human rights then it is, by it's very nature, anti-conservative. That's a political stance!!!

 

[Ricketz]

Do we love and respect the LGBTI community more than the many people with mental and physical disabilities, who also have historically been on the receiving end of crude jokes and have felt marginalised for most of their lives?

Should we therefore also have a Disability Round?

Well they already have a number of very positive inclusion policies and programs (check them out here Disability | Community.afl. ), but that sounds like a great idea.

 

[Gough]

Meanwhile in America it's all going backwards.

Republicans aim to pass national ‘don’t say gay’ law

Measure introduced in Congress would prohibit federal money from being used to teach children under 10 about LGBTQ issues

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ricketz]

Because the minutes silence is honouring the fallen done once a year whereas the welcome to country is just words repeated to death. Suspect that if they called a minutes silence to acknowledge a tragedy or passing of a great indigenous leader, there would be silence as well

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Just words repeated to death...

A large portion of those words are dedicated to the ancestors of their land.

 

[Ricketz]

So if you despise it so much it’s still your choice you just have no courage to back up your thoughts on it.

Assault is fine if it is some fat drunk mug who gets all his sense of identity from sacrifices made by people over a century ago?

 

[Seedsfan]

Why?

 

[Goroyals22]

Assault is fine if it is some fat drunk mug who gets all his sense of identity from sacrifices made by people over a century ago?

No its not, however you want to make a point about Anzac Day meaning zilch to you there are other options than just having a sook behind a keyboard….

Probably shows it relevancy to people when If you carried on during the welcome to country no one cares but during the Anzac ceremony you might get blow back.

 

[THECHIEFTON]

Meanwhile in America it's all going backwards.

Republicans aim to pass national ‘don’t say gay’ law

Measure introduced in Congress would prohibit federal money from being used to teach children under 10 about LGBTQ issues

www.theguardian.com

Step forward imo.

 

[Ricketz]

No its not, however you want to make a point about Anzac Day meaning zilch to you there are other options than just having a sook behind a keyboard….

Probably shows it relevancy to people when If you carried on during the welcome to country no one cares but during the Anzac ceremony you might get blow back.

The funny thing is most of those fools don't even know the relevance of ANZAC day. They don't go to dawn service, they use it as a day off work to get drunk and gamble.

They were dog whistled into thinking it is some sort of day about national pride and patriotism by Howard and Abbott. They would be the same people who cheered on sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq.

But it's actually the opposite of that. It's about remembering the futility and senseless nature of war. The cynical co-opting of sporting events is just another commercialisation of a ceremony that has as much connection to its original meaning as Christmas has to the birth of Jesus.

I don't blame people who don't want to be virtue signalling morons who have no idea about what it actually means.