Sheedy to Richmond ????

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by MarkT
All I know is that this destabilisation is delivering Travis to Collingwood so it's all good.

has nothing to do with it.fact of the matter is:
julie cloke cracked the ****s with richmond for not drafting jason.
david cloke cracked the ****s because he wasnt selected in the TOTC side.
from then on it was always an uphill battle to get travis from that point of view and the family ties.

good luck to that the lad considering the pressure he would be under from the start.

cheers!

 

[dodgey]

Originally posted by GhostofJimJess
I'm totally at peace with the inevitable announcement over the next few days that Sheeds has re-signed with Essendon.

There's absolutely no doubt about it in my mind, and hasn't been since he went to the trouble of luring Wallis back to Windy Hill and convinced Solomon to stay.

However, the current Richmond heirarchy would be derelict in their duty if they were not to pursue Sheedy right up until the moment he re-signs at Windy Hill.

At least then, Sheeds could not ever say that we'd shown no interest (like he did last time!). He could never ever say with a straight face that both clubs were "like his children". It would have been entirely his own decision, and be seen to be that way.

Well said ..

Originally posted by DirtyDogTiger
If Sheedy wants another flag...he would get it quicker at Richmond

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

I think I've been hearing this for 20 odd years Now

You certainly have your Expectations mixed up with your Capabilities ...

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by tiger of old
has nothing to do with it.

Not what his dad said.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by MarkT
Not what his dad said.

well he,s not going to come out say the real reason why in which would put him and the wife in a bad light.

cheers!

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by dogsbody
Essendon finished fifth in 1979, 7th in 1980 and reached the semis of the night series. It wasn't a poor side.

Essendon won more than 10 games once in the half dozen years before Sheedy took over as coach, and were comprehensively flogged by fitzroy in the elimination final of that year. V Ordinary.

It was back in t1970 and '71 when it finished 11th. It played finals in '73, and occupied 8th or 9th spot in '74 to 79, about the same as it finished last year and is likely to this year.

With quite a few less wins than the team managed last year, and is likely to this year.

Essendon jumped back to just inside the 5 in 1981 and 1982.

Three and four games + % respectively clear of sixth. The only team to win 16 games in a season and miss out on the double chance. Hardly "just inside the 5".

The myth might say that Sheedy lifted Essendon.

In first five years under Sheedy Essendon won 16, 16, 15, 18 and 19 games, including 15 straight in his first season, after managing more than 10 three times in the previous ten seasons. Essendon's improvement under Sheedy was marked.

The facts don't.

You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you on the @rse.

 

[Captain Blood]

Originally posted by tiger of old
has nothing to do with it.fact of the matter is:
julie cloke cracked the ****s with richmond for not drafting jason.
david cloke cracked the ****s because he wasnt selected in the TOTC side.
from then on it was always an uphill battle to get travis from that point of view and the family ties.

good luck to that the lad considering the pressure he would be under from the start.

cheers!

spot on - you nailed it in one.
Rather glad Jason didn't come to the Tigers, he's a dud. Sometimes feel sorry for the boy as Malthouse is turning him into a useless player. The kid is not learing or being taught how to improve or play modern football, he is just being used to fill a few holes and punch a ball. He will end up going the way of McKee if he is not careful.
May be time for Jason to look for another club

 

[dogsbody]

Originally posted by Dave
Essendon won more than 10 games once in the half dozen years before Sheedy took over as coach....after managing more than 10 three times in the previous ten seasons.

You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you on the @rse.

80 10 wins
79 12
78 8
77 7
76 9
75 10
74 10
73 13
72 14

Ouch. I'm being bitten by facts.

Essendon won more than 10 games 3 times in the 6 years before Sheedy, not 1 and 6 times in the previous 10, not 3. The team was improving after its low of ’70 & ’71 with a lull in ‘76 – ’78. By 1981, it was not a poor team. Further improvement into the ‘80’s could have been expected.

 

[PAfolwr]

Originally posted by dogsbody
80 10 wins
79 12
78 8
77 7
76 9
75 10
74 10
73 13
72 14

Ouch. I'm being bitten by facts.

Essendon won more than 10 games 3 times in the 6 years before Sheedy, not 1 and 6 times in the previous 10, not 3. The team was improving after its low of ’70 & ’71 with a lull in ‘76 – ’78. By 1981, it was not a poor team. Further improvement into the ‘80’s could have been expected.

More than 10, or ten or more? That is the question.

 

[dogsbody]

Originally posted by PAfolwr
More than 10, or ten or more? That is the question.

I see what you mean, PAFowler. I took it to be 10 or more. 10 is an arbitrary figure anyway. The point is that Essendon was not a poor team when Sheedy took over and was bound to improve anyway. He had the basis of a good team and a very well run club. Timed it nicely.

 

[slugger]

To say that Sheedy inherited a good team is stupidity. There were some good young players, but Sheedy assembled all the mortar to play around them.

There was certainly no prospect of success when Barry Davis was coach. Sheeds galvanised the entire club and supporter base, which was there despite what some idiot said in another thread. Just look at the attendances at Waverley and the MCG in the preceding decade. Some HUGE crowds.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by dogsbody
80 10 wins
79 12
78 8
77 7
76 9
75 10
74 10
73 13
72 14

Ouch. I'm being bitten by facts.

More like your inability to read and comprehend.

Essendon won more than 10 games 3 times in the 6 years before Sheedy, not 1 and 6 times in the previous 10, not 3.

Better learn to read then boy. I said more than 10. Arbitrary? Perhaps. How about 11 then, after all that's a 50/50 win loss record. Oh, that wouldn't suit your argument either.

The team was improving after its low of ’70 & ’71 with a lull in ‘76 – ’78. By 1981, it was not a poor team. Further improvement into the ‘80’s could have been expected.

It was not as poor as richmond is today perhaps, but it was a club that had been wandering in the wilderness without achievement for over a decade, and sheeds delivered it from that. He also lifted the clubs profile enormously.

"Bound to improve"? Easy to say in hindsight, but they didn't do much improving in '80 did they, despite their "stellar" year in '79.

 

[dogsbody]

Originally posted by slugger
To say that Sheedy inherited a good team is stupidity. There were some good young players, but Sheedy assembled all the mortar to play around them.

There was certainly no prospect of success when Barry Davis was coach. Sheeds galvanised the entire club and supporter base, which was there despite what some idiot said in another thread. Just look at the attendances at Waverley and the MCG in the preceding decade. Some HUGE crowds.

He inherited a team which had played in finals two years before and although it finished outside the 5 in the previous year, reached the semis of the night competition, beaten by Collingwood which, but for the deafening noise of its over excited supporters and the cool head of Kerry Good, would have won it that year. The signs were there of an emerging team. To be accurate, I did say he inherited the “basis of a good team”. Whatever, it was not a poor team, as described by a contributor earlier in this thread and which was where I came in. Clubs which are well administered, have money in the bank, (a “war chest” I think the Essendon Board called it) and have the huge following that Essendon enjoyed then as today aren’t going to stay down long and so it proved with Essendon after ’76 – ’78. Sheedy is a very good coach. He is not a miracle worker, he doesn’t have to be.