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If you can't see that this is clearly a Melbourne based reporter that has zero knowledge of the Swans and especially of those that could break into the 23 then i can't help you.

Doesn't mention Snell, Edwards, Mitchell, Co Warner, Hanily

Talks about Wicks as a small forward when he has been training as a defender

Also the best 23 is just the same team as the GF side but replace Fox with Mills and Parker with Adams when Cox's main focus has been fitness, forward pressure and contest...
It was Mills, and starting all 3 of the talls in the 18 that did it for me
 

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Why should Bice get a mention? He's played zero games at the level.

I agree the mention of Campbell at HB is off, he's just going by past use. Though I'm not confident we'll use him differently.

Campbell should be at HF, backup on the wing to Gulden and Jmac, but after Florent as well.

To pick up a 24yo hbf at a selection that was still pretty valuable, surely they think Bice is ready to go.
 
To pick up a 24yo hbf at a selection that was still pretty valuable, surely they think Bice is ready to go.
I actually think it's the other way around.

If people see him as better than Blakey or Florent i.e. who he would replace as attacking half backs in the 22, then I'm not sure why people aren't angry that we didn't pick him earlier and risked missing out.

If he's good enough to be in the 22 as some believe, and not replacing like for like, that's a mistake imo. We don't need another attacking HB. We have the two above, plus Jmac is capable. Sure Lloyd might be in danger but he was often pushed out of defence anyway and would better strengthen other areas if replaced.

I think he (Bice) was drafted as mature age depth and hasn't played a game at the level yet, so probably doesn't warrant too many mentions in Best 22/23 discussions.

He could turn it on in pre season games sure, but it should be Blakey or Florent in the gun, though maybe the latter moves elsewhere opening a spot at HB as 2nd fiddle to Blakey.
 
I actually think it's the other way around.

If people see him as better than Blakey or Florent i.e. who he would replace as attacking half backs in the 22, then I'm not sure why people aren't angry that we didn't pick him earlier and risked missing out.

If he's good enough to be in the 22 as some believe, and not replacing like for like, that's a mistake imo. We don't need another attacking HB. We have the two above, plus Jmac is capable. Sure Lloyd might be in danger but he was often pushed out of defence anyway and would better strengthen other areas if replaced.

I think he (Bice) was drafted as mature age depth and hasn't played a game at the level yet, so probably doesn't warrant too many mentions in Best 22/23 discussions.

He could turn it on in pre season games sure, but it should be Blakey or Florent in the gun, though maybe the latter moves elsewhere opening a spot at HB as 2nd fiddle to Blakey.
It doesn't make any sense that we would have drafted Bice where we drafted him unless we think he is going to be capable of playing seniors in 2025, and not just as an injury backup. Doesn't mean he will definitely be in the team against Hawthorn though.
 
It doesn't make any sense that we would have drafted Bice where we drafted him unless we think he is going to be capable of playing seniors in 2025, and not just as an injury backup. Doesn't mean he will definitely be in the team against Hawthorn though.
Sure, but I'm more responding to discussions/that article about Best 22/23 which given the lack of any related players being ruled out, is for Round 0. He could come into the team based on form issues as well, but if people see him as better than Blakey or Florent already i.e. he's straight in, then we shouldn't have waited til the 40s.

This started because Campbell was mentioned at half back, but Bice wasn't.

Personally I don't think either are in the discussions to play at half back in our current Best 22/23. Campbell because he should be elsewhere. Bice because, well, why would he be, we have several other attacking HB types in the 22 and we haven't seen him play against an AFL side yet.
 
Sure, but I'm more responding to discussions/that article about Best 22/23 which given the lack of any related players being ruled out, is for Round 0. He could come into the team based on form issues as well, but if people see him as better than Blakey or Florent already i.e. he's straight in, then we shouldn't have waited til the 40s.

This started because Campbell was mentioned at half back, but Bice wasn't.

Personally I don't think either are in the discussions to play at half back in our current Best 22/23. Campbell because he should be elsewhere. Bice because, well, why would he be, we have several other attacking HB types in the 22 and we haven't seen him play against an AFL side yet.

All things be equal, I think Bice is going to be right in the frame for round zero.
 
All things be equal, I think Bice is going to be right in the frame for round zero.
Ok, I just think for that to happen, Blakey or Florent drop off considerably to lose their spot, or we're making a mistake in bringing in another attacking flanker, despite being shown up in the contest and pressure when it counts.
 
Ok, I just think for that to happen, Blakey or Florent drop off considerably to lose their spot, or we're making a mistake in bringing in another attacking flanker, despite being shown up in the contest and pressure when it counts.
I don't think Bice, or anyone else, getting a game is dependant on Florent not getting picked.

Blakey clearly isn't going to be playing reserves unless something goes horribly wrong with his form.

There are spots available in our team for anyone who is good enough. We aren't that good.
 
I don't think Bice, or anyone else, getting a game is dependant on Florent not getting picked.

Blakey clearly isn't going to be playing reserves unless something goes horribly wrong with his form.

There are spots available in our team for anyone who is good enough. We aren't that good.
Yes, but the fact we weren't good enough in the contest and pressure, isn't going to be addressed by adding more attacking half backs.
 

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Random question for discussion's sake...

Out of Sheldrick, Cleary & Warner Jr., who do we think is most likely to play 12+ senior games this year?
Hope it's Sheldrick. Now or potentially never, and probably has a higher ceiling than Corey.

But think it's Cleary, without Dattoli in the frame, given we actually tried him up forward and did well.
 
Random question for discussion's sake...

Out of Sheldrick, Cleary & Warner Jr., who do we think is most likely to play 12+ senior games this year?
At the start of 2024, who would've guessed Roberts would cement his spot as a first team pick, off half back no less? I'm hoping we can have someone step up in the same way with Sheldrick and Cleary leading the charge. Our problems at the contest were laid out for everyone to see, especially in our bad losses during 2024. To have more grunt would be huge. Buller emerging as a key forward option would be just as big a gain.
 
Random question for discussion's sake...

Out of Sheldrick, Cleary & Warner Jr., who do we think is most likely to play 12+ senior games this year?

I think under Longmire you wouldnt expect any of those to play more than 2-3 games yet alone for half a season.

Depends how Cox views their development and importance in our best 22
 
Random question for discussion's sake...

Out of Sheldrick, Cleary & Warner Jr., who do we think is most likely to play 12+ senior games this year?
Cleary probably. Because he seems to be the most likely to play as a small forward and there will be more opportunities there.

Who knows what the club thinks of Sheldrick?! He was healthy for the last 3 months of last season, and they didn't want to even pick him as an emergency.

I think all three can really play.

Corey Warner needs a clearly defined role. I think it is as a small defender. I don't think he will be on the list much longer if he is just a midfield backup.
 
Random question for discussion's sake...

Out of Sheldrick, Cleary & Warner Jr., who do we think is most likely to play 12+ senior games this year?
I know that you think None. You think Snell.

To me I think
Sheldrick = 15
Cleary = 6
Warner Jr = 2
Snell = a few to give him a taste. Francis, Hamling more experience. Though I think those would not impede his chances. I think they would like to blood him. Give him a taste. I think what we have in tall defence will prevail barring injuries.
We are in premiership mode so experience over rookies. But we always need to blood the rookies and give them time in the team.
 
I know that you think None. You think Snell.

To me I think
Sheldrick = 15
Cleary = 6
Warner Jr = 2
Snell = a few to give him a taste. Francis, Hamling more experience. Though I think those would not impede his chances. I think they would like to blood him. Give him a taste. I think what we have in tall defence will prevail barring injuries.
We are in premiership mode so experience over rookies. But we always need to blood the rookies and give them time in the team.

15 games would be massive especially if we are a finals side would indicate a breakout season.

If we struggle around the 10th-12th i expect the above names to feature much more.

Personally i think its a make or break season for Corey he needs to show something the other 2 got time
 
I know that you think None. You think Snell.

To me I think
Sheldrick = 15
Cleary = 6
Warner Jr = 2
Snell = a few to give him a taste. Francis, Hamling more experience. Though I think those would not impede his chances. I think they would like to blood him. Give him a taste. I think what we have in tall defence will prevail barring injuries.
We are in premiership mode so experience over rookies. But we always need to blood the rookies and give them time in the team.
I don't think Snell rusty. I'm as excited about his prospects as anyone, but I'm fully aware that it's more unlikely than likely for a key defender to feature heavily in just his second year. Though it's not impossible of course, and there have been plenty of examples of players doing so.

I personally think Cleary is the most likely, because I think he has multiple pathways into the best 22, either as a mid, or a forward, or both. Was just curious how others saw it.
 
Hadn't looked at the player profiles on the website for a while; noticed a couple of players' official positions have changed, presumably to reflect where they ended up at the end of last year?

eg. Lloydy as midfielder, Hamling key forward, Fox medium forward
 
It doesn't make any sense that we would have drafted Bice where we drafted him unless we think he is going to be capable of playing seniors in 2025, and not just as an injury backup. Doesn't mean he will definitely be in the team against Hawthorn though.
It could maybe be that our defence in the ressies is shit. By that I mean it is not conducive to developing players or playing to a script.
We need to set the standard in defence so that the whole team is a fertile place to develop AFL players.

If one part of the field is shit. The whole team suffers.

Just look at the players that were delisted Vickery, Arnold and Magor. We needed someone who can actually play defence. Hence Bice. Does not mean he is a shoe in to the ones.

He is providing guidance to the whole ressie team. He has experience. That is valuable to our AFL team who are contending.

Sure given injuries he could get a game. If I was a betting man he would be 100-1 getting a game barring injuries. Florent, Blakey, Roberts, Mills, Rampe etc.
 

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