Rumour: Josh Toy to Richmond?

[goreds]

You mean the masses of BF gossip?

I'm just impressed that the media, which is usually so keen to rubbish players over the smallest indiscretion aren't all over it when 'everyone' on BF *knows* the truth of this...After all, someone's cousin's mate heard down the pub that someones barber saw him do enough coke to kill a horse....or something.

Why wouldn't the press be 'all over it' do you think??

You sound like a smart poster, surely if there is this much smoke there must be a fire, right??

Has anyone on your board mentioned anything about the company he keeps?? Might be why the 'press' won't touch it...

 

[UpTheGuts]

I'd be really surprised

 

[nickh32]

Nope. The rules are that if they are offered a contract and refuse it, they can't be signed as a delisted free agent. He'll have to go through a draft. The same goes for Ben Jacobs.

He is a restricted free agent. He is even on the afl list of free agents. Ben Jacobs self delisted from port and that's why he's not eligible. Yes GC offered Toy a one year contract but he declined, they then delisted him which allowed him to become a free agent.

Just to point out again

Jacobs - self delisted(not delisted by club)= not a free agent
Toy - delisted by club= free agent.

 

[Igloo]

He is a restricted free agent. He is even on the afl list of free agents. Ben Jacobs self delisted from port and that's why he's not eligible. Yes GC offered Toy a one year contract but he declined, they then delisted him which allowed him to become a free agent.

Just to point out again

Jacobs - self delisted(not delisted by club)= not a free agent
Toy - delisted by club= free agent.

Toy rejected the offer from his current club. That comes under the headline "not a delisted free agent".
Delisted free agents are the only ones that can be taken now. The period for restricted and unrestricted free agents finished on October 22nd.

Do you have a link to the AFL list of free agents that lists him? Happy to be proven wrong, but that diagram says to me he isn't any sort of free agent.

 

[nickh32]

Toy rejected the offer from his current club. That comes under the headline "not a delisted free agent".
Delisted free agents are the only ones that can be taken now. The period for restricted and unrestricted free agents finished on October 22nd.

Do you have a link to the AFL list of free agents that lists him? Happy to be proven wrong, but that diagram says to me he isn't any sort of free agent.

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6038/newsid/150608/default.aspx

Yes Toy was offered a contract. But after he rejected it the suns delisted him which allowed him to be a free agent. If Toy had rejected the offer (which he did) and the suns didn't delist him he would not be a free agent. The situation your thinking of is what happened with Jacobs, offered contract didn't sign it and wasn't delisted by port he did it himself. Toy in the end was delisted by GC.

It doesn't matter if a player is offered a contract and rejects it if the club then delists the player like GC did with Toy.

 

[headache1]

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6038/newsid/150608/default.aspx

Yes Toy was offered a contract. But after he rejected it the suns delisted him which allowed him to be a free agent. If Toy had rejected the offer (which he did) and the suns didn't delist him he would not be a free agent. The situation your thinking of is what happened with Jacobs, offered contract didn't sign it and wasn't delisted by port he did it himself. Toy in the end was delisted by GC.

It doesn't matter if a player is offered a contract and rejects it if the club then delists the player like GC did with Toy.

What you're saying doesn't seem to be supported by this. It states that regardless of who does the delisting, if the player has rejected a contract offer from his current club, he does not qualify as a delisted free-agent.

 

[nickh32]

What you're saying doesn't seem to be supported by this. It states that regardless of who does the delisting, if the player has rejected a contract offer from his current club, he does not qualify as a delisted free-agent.

Well the fact an afl run site listed him as a free agent says he is. So if a club offered a contract to a player in April but they player rejected it thinking he could get more money from the club, he then does an acl misses rest of the year. He goes ok I'll sign the contract now and the club goes no we aren't offering you one anymore we will delist you at years end. That would mean that player can't be a free agent. That is wrong.

Toy was delisted by GC after being offered a contract. So after Toy rejected the offer GC said ok we will delist you. This makes him a fee agent. The diagram only works in cases the same as Ben Jacobs, where he was offered contract, rejected it and delisted himself and not the club delist him. The diagram for people not being free agents is if they are offered contracts reject them and self delist

Toy like all other free agents was delisted by his club in the end and not self delisted which enabled him to be a free agent.

"What you're saying doesn't seem to be supported by this. It states that regardless of who does the delisting, if the player has rejected a contract offer from his current club, he does not qualify as a delisted free-agent."

Where does it say this exactly? Where does it state that if a club delists the player after originally offering him a contract extension then delists him he is therefore not a free agent. It says clearly to me if he was delisted by GC he is a free agent.

 

[telsor]

Why wouldn't the press be 'all over it' do you think??

You sound like a smart poster, surely if there is this much smoke there must be a fire, right??

Has anyone on your board mentioned anything about the company he keeps?? Might be why the 'press' won't touch it...

The press isn't all over it because there isn't much to it (beyond a kid having issues growing up, which happens to many young AFL players).

Yes, where there is smoke there is fire, but that theory requires multiple sources, some with credibility. Considering the only place you hear it is BF, and generally from the more dubious posters, I suspect this is more some embers rather than a bushfire. ie. Something to keep an eye on, but not dangerous in itself.

Care to elaborate on the last? Preferably with something more than BF rumour.

 

[SteveRFC]

Why do people feel they need to quote the jpeg so many times.

 

[Benno30]

Nope. The rules are that if they are offered a contract and refuse it, they can't be signed as a delisted free agent. He'll have to go through a draft. The same goes for Ben Jacobs.

he was officiall de-listed by GC
Jacobs walked out the split was Jacobs move Toy did not just walk out as far as i know.

 

[Benno30]

Article on TOY
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150590/default.aspx

Article on Jacobs
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150892/default.aspx

This should clear it up.

 

[Benno30]

read the articles and then you tell me.

And for the record it does matter who does the delisting.

 

[headache1]

Where does it say this exactly? Where does it state that if a club delists the player after originally offering him a contract extension then delists him he is therefore not a free agent. It says clearly to me if he was delisted by GC he is a free agent.

It says it in the very first part of the diagram.

Has player been delisted by club?

If the answer is yes, it has the possible outcomes, one of which is...

Player is not a delisted free agent if:
Player retires OR
Rejects offer from current club* OR
Requests removal from clubs list ("delists himself")**

*Toy
**Jacobs

 

[Benno30]

It says it in the very first part of the diagram.

Has player been delisted by club?

If the answer is yes, it has the possible outcomes, one of which is...

Player is not a delisted free agent if:
Player retires OR
Rejects offer from current club* OR
Requests removal from clubs list ("delists himself")**

*Toy
**Jacobs

did you read the articles i posted

 

[00Stinger]

He is a restricted free agent. He is even on the afl list of free agents. Ben Jacobs self delisted from port and that's why he's not eligible. Yes GC offered Toy a one year contract but he declined, they then delisted him which allowed him to become a free agent.

Just to point out again

Jacobs - self delisted(not delisted by club)= not a free agent
Toy - delisted by club= free agent.

He can only be picked up in tho draft, Fact!

 

[headache1]

did you read the articles i posted

Yes, I did, and they don't clear up anything at all. They rely on the notion that if the club delists the player, then that player is now automatically a free-agent, whether a contract has been offered to them or not, which is what we're debating. The AFC were going to delist Kurt Tippett, but the AFL said they couldn't do so until their investigation was complete. Doing so was not going to make him a free agent.

The only thing we have to go on from the AFL, which is that ambiguous jpeg, states that if a club delists a player whom they have offered a contract to, that player does not qualify as a delisted free agent.

 

[Benno30]

ok but i think that we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[McOrist]

Article on TOY
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150590/default.aspx

Article on Jacobs
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150892/default.aspx

This should clear it up.

The Jacobs article clearly states he will be going through the draft.

The Toy article just says he is "looking for a new club" after rejecting a contract extension then being de-listed by GC. It doesn't make any mention of his status as a De-listed Free Agent. Looks like the "afl run site" you referred to may have gone it wrong.

 

[Blues_Man]

Just received an email from a mate who saw this on another Tigers forum. Anyone know nothing?

I nominate you

 

[HugeJohnson]

Why does every single player get linked to Richmond?

 

[nickh32]

He can only be picked up in tho draft, Fact!

Why is he then on the list of delisted free agents which was released by the AFL?

 

[nickh32]

It says it in the very first part of the diagram.

Has player been delisted by club?

If the answer is yes, it has the possible outcomes, one of which is...

Player is not a delisted free agent if:
Player retires OR
Rejects offer from current club* OR
Requests removal from clubs list ("delists himself")**

*Toy
**Jacobs

Say GC then take back contract offer, he is then delisted and is free agent. Whatever has happened he has been listed by the AFL not be me as a player who can be picked up during the delisted free agency period.

 

[Benno30]

Say GC then take back contract offer, he is then delisted and is free agent. Whatever has happened he has been listed by the AFL not be me as a player who can be picked up during the delisted free agency period.

mate we are fighting a losing battle here. The articles i have posted should clarify what their positions are.

Toy's article clearly says sun sets on de-listed toy.
and the jacobs article says he quits the club or walks out on them however they worded it.
You have seen his name on the delisted free agents list
We just have a couple of people that apparently know better.

 

[headache1]

mate we are fighting a losing battle here. The articles i have posted should clarify what their positions are.

Toy's article clearly says sun sets on de-listed toy.
and the jacobs article says he quits the club or walks out on them however they worded it.
You have seen his name on the delisted free agents list
We just have a couple of people that apparently know better.

So show us where he is listed as a free agent. Because despite the only real form of document the AFL has publicly released saying otherwise, apparently, you know better.

The articles you have posted make absolutely NO mention of Toy being a free-agent.

 

[GoldenHodge]

So show us where he is listed as a free agent. Because despite the only real form of document the AFL has publicly released saying otherwise, apparently, you know better.

The articles you have posted make absolutely NO mention of Toy being a free-agent.

Josh Toy is on the delisted free agent list: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150608/default.aspx