Umpiring Round 2 Bulldogs v Collingwood

[ashep]

I’m interested. The umpiring apparently went collingwood’s way. Can somebody please point which of their free kicks were incorrect decisions? I do recall recall a couple of blatant errors where Darcy clearly infringed before marking and then goaled which had an impact, and the cox punch to the face was an obvious 50 which should have had the free taken from the top of the goal square.

There were a couple of calls late you might want to take a squiz at. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned them.

 

[Doggy]

I’m interested. The umpiring apparently went collingwood’s way. Can somebody please point which of their free kicks were incorrect decisions? I do recall recall a couple of blatant errors where Darcy clearly infringed before marking and then goaled which had an impact, and the cox punch to the face was an obvious 50 which should have had the free taken from the top of the goal square.

You're either blind or deliberately obtuse.

Here are just a couple at the end for you which all led to the Sidebottom goal:

* Bailey Dale insufficient attempt. Zero control of the ball after a spoil. That was disgusting. In the last minute Nick Daicos then runs around in circles and scores a try over the boundary and that was ok

* Baker gets front on contact before he collects and gets pinged holding the ball. The second call was correct the first awful non call

* Quaynor sliding in and taking out the legs of Bramble was as blatant as you can get

* an earlier incident saw Moore front on contact on Naughton and even got him in the head

At least Lobb was contesting the ball, and you can clearly see that his first deviated off the ball. That is a football incident.

 

[melbun]

In a sport that allows betting on the result, such poor umpiring favouring one side more than the other is a bad look.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Normally you would be right but 14 to 38 is an absolute travesty and there were a lot of examples of the same non call for a Bulldog player and a free kick to a Collingwood player for the same thing.

They had a shocker when both teams gave us an entertaining game.

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Not saying pies didn’t get the rub of the green, absolutely did but that’s unmooring in general will never be fair and like o said almost all rules are open to interpretation.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

Dogs were hard done by.

The Dale deliberate is the most glowing example of how ****ed that rule is.

 

[cobra land]

Umpiring is killing the my enjoyment of football, my club is terrible but the umpires are worse, games are becoming unwatchable at times!!

Consistantly inconsistant, miss blatatant holding the ball frees, look for deliberate out of bounds or rushed behinds just to grandstand.

And, AFL PLEASE make umpiring more easy to adjudicate, this having to go through 4 different processes through their minds before a decision is made is madness, four umpires with 4 different interpretations is laughable..

I have been involved with footy for a long time and I have never been more confused or frustrated than now, I just don't feel like I know the rules anymore.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

There’s different fans from 17 clubs discussing how bad the umpiring. This game was an outlier for how bad it was

Not saying it was good, just stating there’s no point whinging about umpiring as it will never be equal or fair as every rule is open to interpretation. Sometimes you get the rub of the green liner items you get slaughtered.
Players should just control what they can

 

[BomberManU]

this

is there a break down of the free kicks documented anywhere?
i was shocked when i realized we were in front on the free kick count. we had 2 in the backs paid against when dogs took huge dives, and jamie taken high in the goal square, no free, No 50 to Cox for a punch in the face, no 50 for tunneling, yes i did see a couple of soft ones, but both ways, and yes i did see a couple the dogs didnt get. thats why id like to see a list of the frees.

Not just our game, how about free kick hawthorn on thursday? 19 on the ground and the blues surging, and yet they didnt get the free and 50? \

the umps have been shit for years. the dogs were gifted 2016, we get robbed in grand finals, so ill take this no matter the salt!

go Pies!!

Why would it be a 50 to Cox, he didn't take the mark, it was a free kick.

 

[melbun]

Is there a breakdown of the free kicks by umpire?

 

[Cyclops]

The umps were bad, missed obvious frees to Footscray. First q they missed a few to us but it was lopsided.

The differential argument is bollocks though, different gameplans etc produce different frees. Not a lot of front on paid this year, htb has been tweaked and doob is red hot.

Footscray were running blokes through Darcy Cameron, hitting him late so a lot of marks became high frees or itb.

Tldr footy isn't maths.

 

[Giant Pete]

The way Pies players play for frees consistently is horrid to watch.
To see Dogs fans complain about umpiring is sweet irony.

 

[7700]

The story of the game for me was how good Footscray was in adversity. The umpires using their discretion the way they did and to only lose by 1 goal was very impressive.

 

[mikey83]

I’m interested. The umpiring apparently went collingwood’s way. Can somebody please point which of their free kicks were incorrect decisions? I do recall recall a couple of blatant errors where Darcy clearly infringed before marking and then goaled which had an impact, and the cox punch to the face was an obvious 50 which should have had the free taken from the top of the goal square.

The main problem was the maggots not paying free kicks against Collingwood, especially in the second half.

Just look at every marking contest involving Darcy that he didn't mark. Collingwood couldn't stop him fairly so they resorted to marking interference and the maggots tolerated it. Meanwhile Membrey couldn't get into the game so the umpires make sure to give him 3 soft frees in 5 minutes.

Then look at all the holding Collingwood got away with in stoppages during the 4th quarter. The dogs were already heavily up against it but the maggots made it impossible in the end.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

The game last night was similar to when the Pies beat the Kangas last year and there were several calls and non calls in the last 5 mins that changed the trajectory of the match. Yes we should not have let a +50 point lead evaporate. The most damming was the missed 50 Metre penalty for Scott when Sidebottom and a mate were almost shaking hands with him.

The issue here is the boss of the Umpires and showing any accountability for their performances both individually and as a team last night. Those silly press conferences on the Monday after games last year with Laura Explane saying that there was nothing to see the majority of times was downright embarrassing. It only service was to further confuse and alienate the fans even more.

I do feel for the Umpires when you have professional flopping acts by numerous players across the Comp being endorsed (or turning a kind eye) by Coaching staff. Looking at you Sam Mitchell. The pressure to get it right 100% of the time, in front of 60K fans in a tight contest is just wishful thinking.

If I was to sum up the main reason for the pain, it’s the inconsistency on the interpretation of the rules by the group of 4 on any given night.

I am sure the Umpires also have players and coaches they like and those that they detest dealing with in games they umpire. It takes a big man/woman to put aside their bias, and umpire the game objectively to the best of their ability. Dropping of umpires took place in the past (eg, he’s off to the bush next weekend) and I don’t see why those under performing here are not treated the same like any professional organisation should be run.

 

[Dazb86]

At the ground it didnt seem THAT bad. Few shockers but that's normal. Darcy Moores holding the ball in the first quarter was as bad a call as the Dale deliberate out of bounds.

Theres just too much grey area within the rules to officiate at 100%

 

[CarnTheScray]

At the ground it didnt seem THAT bad. Few shockers but that's normal. Darcy Moores holding the ball in the first quarter was as bad a call as the Dale deliberate out of bounds.

Theres just too much grey area within the rules to officiate at 100%

Why was it a bad call? Moore tucked it under his arm to take off. He has done it a hundred times. Free kick.

 

[HBFlanker]

It wasnt only only just the ridiculous count, it was the fact the dogs were robbed of 4 or 5 really straight forward frees that werent called.

There was a game in i think 1993, where Fitzroy went to Adelaide to play on a friday night, and it is widely regarded as the most one sided umpired game in AFL history. I think last night may have gone past it.

in my opinion, Collingwood won because of the decisions last night. That is such a poor outcome at the top level.

 

[Vankri]

You can always tell when emotions run high and ‘neutrals’ barrack against a Pies win. That’s when this sort of thread comes out.

Just quietly the Dogs first goal on Moore’s HTB is a ridiculous interpretation of prior opportunity. And Cox should have got 50 for a late high contact in a marking contest. So that’s 12 points. Add our goal margin and I’d love to see the four goals the Dogs would have got based on missed umpires decisions to make up a win.

Pointing out one deliberate call discrepancy and pretending Darcy should have got ‘10 free kicks’ for chopping isn’t an argument.

And let’s not get started on the free kick count, that’s something only an idiot would make a point ouf of.

 

[7700]

There was a game in i think 1993, where Fitzroy went to Adelaide to play on a friday night, and it is widely regarded as the most one sided umpired game in AFL history. I think last night may have gone past it.

Last night was 33 (Collingwood) to 14.

In 2022 there was 33 to 13 in Adelaide's favour against Richmond.

In 2013 there was North 38 to Port 15.

 

[VL3OJ]

Being at the game, I thought up until the last 15 minutes the umpiring (if that is what it is called) didn't impact the match to any great level, it was more the missed goals by the doggies in the first quarter and Collingwood in the second half. That last ten minutes was as dire as it gets when it comes to officiating and Andrew Dillon needs to pull his finger out and sort this as a single umpire like Bill Deller was far better than the lottery we have now.

With the Dale and Naicos out of bounds - was this the same umpire adjudicating both?

 

[RCAB]

The poll says 40% of people thought this was the worst umpired game they have ever seen....

I guess that's why crowds are up and creating new records... 40% of people prior to this season hadn't watched a game of AFL.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Umpiring was average, the odd free kick was poor, as usual. That's par for the course. You just have to hope that when they pull a clanger, it's in your favour. The more umpires you have, the more inconsistencies you have to expect.

I watched the game as a non-partisan supporter, enjoyed the contest, and to be brutally honest, I wouldn't have had a clue about the free kick discrepancy if the commentators didn't keep crapping on about it.

Nowhere in the rules of the game does it mention free kick tallies have to be even. If you get a lot more than the opposition, well so be it.

 

[timokane]

Umps gave the Dogs the win in the first quarter this is why they had the lead early one.
Gifted 3 goals.
Notice this occurs every game at the Pies games.
Opposition get gifted early on normally starts with a clearence out of the middle they get the ball up forward and we are pinned first up easy goal for the opposition.

 

[YeoShuey]

Incredible that there were no suspensions for this match.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Incredible that there were no suspensions for this match.

Would have been a massive bonus for the Blues to have suspended players guaranteed to miss games against the Blues.