Preview Round 16 - Friday night lights Swans v Cats, Season defining game SCG, 7:50pm 30th June

[Swan4Life]

The Buddy conundrum is a very interesting topic.

There is no doubt that he has lost a step and is a good 5-10 metre shorter kick than he was. And he may not be our number 1 key forward any longer.

But to say he is definitively not in our best 22 is another way of saying that he is now our number 4 forward - that may be a stretch. As much as I respect Hayden's endeavour, Buddy still provides a greater threat overall.

 

[SM]

The Buddy conundrum is a very interesting topic.

There is no doubt that he has lost a step and is a good 5-10 metre shorter kick than he was. And he may not be our number 1 key forward any longer.

But to say he is definitively not in our best 22 is another way of saying that he is now our number 4 forward - that may be a stretch. As much as I respect Hayden's endeavour, Buddy still provides a greater threat overall.

I'm not sure I agree and we saw it play out in real time against St Kilda.

 

[Bloods86]

The Buddy conundrum is a very interesting topic.

There is no doubt that he has lost a step and is a good 5-10 metre shorter kick than he was. And he may not be our number 1 key forward any longer.

But to say he is definitively not in our best 22 is another way of saying that he is now our number 4 forward - that may be a stretch. As much as I respect Hayden's endeavour, Buddy still provides a greater threat overall.

Yep. The thing that stops Buddy taking McLean's spot when fit, is whether Amartey is fit enough to back Hickey up.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Yep. The thing that stops Buddy taking McLean's spot when fit, is whether Amartey is fit enough to back Hickey up.

100%. Plus, McLean's ruck work has improved quite significantly.

 

[Donza]

McLean's ability to clunk pack marks down the line. Invaluable.

 

[Bloods86]

McLean's ability to clunk pack marks down the line. Invaluable.

Yep, McLean's 1.7 contested marks per game this season is really showing Lance up on 1.6.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Back to your chemistry set now.

So put him on Ignore instead of making juvenile taunts.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Did feel for Paps last week, was in everything only to have not a single thing work no matter how hard he tried

Yeah just a bad day at the office I reckon. He'll click again any day now.

 

[Donza]

Yep, McLean's 1.7 contested marks per game this season is really showing Lance up on 1.6.

So you don't think McLean is a good pack mark over the last 8 weeks?

 

[Bloods86]

So you don't think McLean is a good pack mark over the last 8 weeks?

He has the ability, but if you're only getting 1 or 2 contested marks a game, some of which are closer to goal, then I'm not sure it can be "invaluable" pack marking (down the line).

We go down the line from defence a lot. Assuming it's his role to offer an outlet or come in late, he's either not getting to many, or he's not successfully clunking as many pack opportunities as people think.

He's been solid at contesting (whether he wins or not), doing the backup ruck work, but sometimes his contested marking ability gets confused with outcomes.

 

[bedford]

So put him on Ignore instead of making juvenile taunts.

I did , but i found nothing wrong with WW'S post

 

[caesar88]

Buddy's played 9 games this year and his direct opponent has received coaches votes in 5 of them. That for me is what differentiates him from McLean & Amartey in a negative way. Even if they are not taking marks or hitting the scoreboard themselves, those two make contests, bring the ball to ground, and keep incoming balls alive, which limits the impact of defenders.

Of course the odds there are going to favour them over Buddy, as Buddy gets the best, most-likely-to-be-dominant defender every week. But in games where McLean and/or Amartey have played without Buddy this year - three of them - the only time the opposition's best defender has polled votes was Tom Stewart in the bloodbath at the Cattery.

I just remember the time when the Nick Haynes

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Nick Haynes

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

and the Luke Ryans of the world routinely killed us, and I feel like McLean and Amartey are our way out of that worry.

Just my opinion.

 

[sr20]

He has the ability, but if you're only getting 1 or 2 contested marks a game, some of which are closer to goal, then I'm not sure it can be "invaluable" pack marking (down the line).

We go down the line from defence a lot. Assuming it's his role to offer an outlet or come in late, he's either not getting to many, or he's not successfully clunking as many pack opportunities as people think.

He's been solid at contesting (whether he wins or not), doing the backup ruck work, but sometimes his contested marking ability gets confused with outcomes.

This is a good post. Bolded the important bit. This is where he has improved massively. He's not getting beaten in one on ones often, which was always a strength of Reid's. If he can clunk a few more, and bring the per game numbers up a bit and tidy up the goalkicking, he's a real key. Effort is absolutely there, can't fault that.

 

[Bloods86]

This is a good post. Bolded the important bit. This is where he has improved massively. He's not getting beaten in one on ones often, which was always a strength of Reid's. If he can clunk a few more, and bring the per game numbers up a bit and tidy up the goalkicking, he's a real key. Effort is absolutely there, can't fault that.

Yeah, I'm not having a crack. He's the best contested mark in the side on a good day. Heeney up there with Amartey. But... consistency isn't really there for it to be labelled invaluable.

 

[Bloods86]

Buddy's played 9 games this year and his direct opponent has received coaches votes in 5 of them. That for me is what differentiates him from McLean & Amartey in a negative way. Even if they are not taking marks or hitting the scoreboard themselves, those two make contests, bring the ball to ground, and keep incoming balls alive, which limits the impact of defenders.

Of course the odds there are going to favour them over Buddy, as Buddy gets the best, most-likely-to-be-dominant defender every week. But in games where McLean and/or Amartey have played without Buddy this year - three of them - the only time the opposition's best defender has polled votes was Tom Stewart in the bloodbath at the Cattery.

I just remember the time when the Nick Haynes

26

Nick Haynes

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

326.8

4star

D

17.4

4star

K

13.9

5star

HB

3.5

2star

M

8.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

326.8

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.2

4star

and the Luke Ryans of the world routinely killed us, and I feel like McLean and Amartey are our way out of that worry.

Just my opinion.

Maybe because doing well on Buddy gets attention. Doing well on others is expected, so doesn't really matter how well they might do.

 

[Donza]

The sad shit is.

Buddy wants it.

He's still passionate.

Its sad seeing the game go past him.

 

[kelpie_X]

Think she had a lot of sailors in her

seamen?

 

[kelpie_X]

I’m just going to say it:

If he’s fit enough, I hope Buddy plays VFL (instead of the club pretending he’s injured).

The VFL kids would gain a massive amount & that’s a far better outcome than having a fit Buddy sit on the sidelines.

I just worry that we’re too hung up on legacy / status issues.

He's a ****ing employee of the club and he should do what he is told.

 

[caesar88]

Maybe because doing well on Buddy gets attention. Doing well on others is expected, so doesn't really matter how well they might do.

Or maybe they're just having really good games on Buddy? For starters they all had top 3 games of the season for them in terms of intercept possessions when they played us. Letting the best in the comp do what they love to do is generally not a good sign.

 

[hairy biker]

seamen?

There were a couple of English goalkeepers called Tim Flowers and David Seaman.

In the early days of fantasy football a woman won the biggest competition in the UK.

Her user name;
Women prefer Seaman to Flowers.

And yes it is a true story.

 

[RUNVS]

No offence to Hayward but I don't think his form is good enough to warrant coming straight back into the team.

 

[fpm84]

Chad out injured is a surprise isn’t it? I’ve been looking at your preview thread all week and hadn’t seen it mentioned.

 

[RUNVS]

Chad out injured is a surprise isn’t it? I’ve been looking at your preview thread all week and hadn’t seen it mentioned.

He's injured?

 

[fpm84]

He's injured?

Just announced by ch 7 here in VIC, out with a calf injury, Hayward in for him.

 

[RUNVS]

Just announced by ch 7 here in VIC, out with a calf injury, Hayward in for him.

Well that is shite, and yes, none of us knew that.