Autopsy Round 1, 2025: Hawks shoot down Bombers

[GinniAndTonic]

For those saying scrim should get 3, how many do you thing archer should get?

I don’t think scrim should get 3 but archer shouldn’t get any. By the laws of the game technically it was his free kick as the doggies player took out his legs! Classic afl being brain dead campaigners

 

[Snoref]

I don’t think scrim should get 3 but archer shouldn’t get any. By the laws of the game technically it was his free kick as the doggies player took out his legs! Classic afl being brain dead campaigners

Case in point, if you classify scrims as severe contact how would you grade archers hit? Given damage was far far greater as per outcome.

Further, you would argue his hit was more of a strike as he used his knee to the players head, where as scrims was his bicep? How do you strike with your biceps?

 

[Snoref]

The proper grading should be high impact, low to medium force and careless. That shouldn't be 3 weeks

 

[TONYC3163]

The proper grading should be high impact, low to medium force and careless. That shouldn't be 3 weeks

The best predictor of future behaviour, objectively (taking off the brown and gold glasses)
3 weeks.
Low force and high impact (concussion) aren’t compatible are they?

 

[Snoref]

The best predictor of future behaviour, objectively (taking off the brown and gold glasses)
3 weeks.
Low force and high impact (concussion) aren’t compatible are they?

Well did he play on? How is that more than medium force? Everyone torlences for concussion is different?

Factors Influencing Tolerance:
Individual Differences: Factors like age, previous concussion history, and even genetic predispositions can influence an individual's tolerance to concussive impacts.

Just like alcohol, one beer might be enough to get me drunk but someone else it might be a case.. does that mean that both are equal?

 

[TONYC3163]

Well did he play on? How is that more than medium force? Everyone torlences for concussion is different?

Factors Influencing Tolerance:
Individual Differences: Factors like age, previous concussion history, and even genetic predispositions can influence an individual's tolerance to concussive impacts.

Just like alcohol, one beer might be enough to get me drunk but someone else it might be a case.. does that mean that both are equal?

Those arguments appear irrelevant, I don’t believe the MRO works that way. Concussion equals 3 weeks on past decisions.
Edit: Be interesting to see what the Hawks legal eagles do,

 

[GinniAndTonic]

Case in point, if you classify scrims as severe contact how would you grade archers hit? Given damage was far far greater as per outcome.

Further, you would argue his hit was more of a strike as he used his knee to the players head, where as scrims was his bicep? How do you strike with your biceps?

Neither player should get rubbed out for the actions let alone 3 weeks. It’s just the classic afl we’ll make stuff up on the fly

 

[Hawked Wings]

We all know he isn’t getting off, even though it should be 1-2

 

[phlogiston]

The best predictor of future behaviour, objectively (taking off the brown and gold glasses)
3 weeks.
Low force and high impact (concussion) aren’t compatible are they?

TONYC3163 I'm not sure if you were asking that question in a football context or not, but my ex-brother-in-law could have the mildest taps to the noggin and end up concussed. It was something to do with his brain being slightly smaller (or his skull being slightly larger – he was a smart guy) which means that there was greater time for the brain to accelerate with relatively small shocks (or at least that was the prevailing theory at the time in the late 1990s)

 

[TONYC3163]

TONYC3163 I'm not sure if you were asking that question in a football context or not, but my ex-brother-in-law could have the mildest taps to the noggin and end up concussed. It was something to do with his brain being slightly smaller (or his skull being slightly larger – he was a smart guy) which means that there was greater time for the brain to accelerate with relatively small shocks (or at least that was the prevailing theory at the time in the late 1990s)

In an MRO context.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I thought it was clearly obvious the swinging arm was an attempt to impact the ball directly. Players do this multiple times a game in the same circumstances.

The fact Ridley had no idea Scrim was approaching until quite late actually added to the careless looking nature of Scrimshaw's 'strike'.

To me, it looked accidental contact as the result of a slightly careless act, but one that wasn't unreasonable considering he was trying to impact the ball.

3 is excessive, even if Ridley was ultimately concussed.

 

[FB19]

Good wins to start albeit as Sam said a lot to work on. Confidence from winning in different ways is good for our ability to compete at the pointy end. Wonder if we need to make a few changes after a few bruising games. Frost starts for Scrim and wonder if CJ for Morrison might be a change given we are playing treacle. Could Gunston come in to do a job on weitering?

 

[threesixpio]

Essendon should be completely disheartened by that.

They threw absolutely everything at us in terms of effort and still fell more than 4 goals short

They definitely weren’t shit. We were just smarter and more resilient

 

[threesixpio]

Well did he play on? How is that more than medium force? Everyone torlences for concussion is different?

Factors Influencing Tolerance:
Individual Differences: Factors like age, previous concussion history, and even genetic predispositions can influence an individual's tolerance to concussive impacts.

Just like alcohol, one beer might be enough to get me drunk but someone else it might be a case.. does that mean that both are equal?

That’s total rubbish that last bit / sorry. Blame the victim + the eggshell rule being completely ignored. It’s fingers down a blackboard for me

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Was interesting on footy classified last night, Lewy mentioned that Essendon chose to play with an extra man at stoppages, while we kept ours behind the ball. Based on this, think it explains to a large degree the clearance differential, as we were outmanned at every stoppage around the ground. Funnily enough, at centre bounce stoppages where it was equal numbers, we won clearances 15-11.

 

[H00t]

Was interesting on footy classified last night, Lewy mentioned that Essendon chose to play with an extra man at stoppages, while we kept ours behind the ball. Based on this, think it explains to a large degree the clearance differential, as we were outmanned at every stoppage around the ground. Funnily enough, at centre bounce stoppages where it was equal numbers, we won clearances 15-11.

One extra player at the stoppages shouldn’t result in us losing them 39 to 16.

We lifted in centre clearances in the last quarter but up to that point they had more than we did.

In general play we were really good. Our clearance game needs to lift though

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Do it

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

One extra player at the stoppages shouldn’t result in us losing them 39 to 16.

We lifted in centre clearances in the last quarter but up to that point they had more than we did.

In general play we were really good. Our clearance game needs to lift though

It doesn't fully explain us losing them that badly (and we do need to lift our clearance game), but it partially explains how they got such an ascendency. If we played an extra player at stoppages as well, it would have been a fair bit closer you'd expect.

 

[kazzooka]

Was interesting on footy classified last night, Lewy mentioned that Essendon chose to play with an extra man at stoppages, while we kept ours behind the ball. Based on this, think it explains to a large degree the clearance differential, as we were outmanned at every stoppage around the ground. Funnily enough, at centre bounce stoppages where it was equal numbers, we won clearances 15-11.

Yes, we won more center clearances, and when we won them we got good quality ones to resulting in goals or inside 50s. Many of Essendons they go pushed back with handballs and went wide.

Around the ground they had 1 in the stoppage and we had spare defender, so they win the clearance and give it back to us with hack kick forward and we attack.

That being said they did beat us in many areas and we wouldn't want that happening again.

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Yes, we won more center clearances, and when we won them we got good quality ones to resulting in goals or inside 50s. Many of Essendons they go pushed back with handballs and went wide.

Around the ground they had 1 in the stoppage and we had spare defender, so they win the clearance and give it back to us with hack kick forward and we attack.

That being said they did beat us in many areas and we wouldn't want that happening again.

Agree... losing the contested ball was a lot more concerning than the clearances

 

[kazzooka]

Do it

Nah, King mark was better. Lets not be like the Collingwood supports who robbed Andrew Walker when he took one of the best marks of all time.

 

[eldorado]

Nah, King mark was better. Lets not be like the Collingwood supports who robbed Andrew Walker when he took one of the best marks of all time.

Mind you, I love the way the Eagles defender pretty much acted like the guy who wears the orange marking pad at training...

"Here, I'll stand steady a few metres in front of you, just under the fall of the ball...go for it!"

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Nah, King mark was better. Lets not be like the Collingwood supports who robbed Andrew Walker when he took one of the best marks of all time.

Bloody hell, mate, I could’ve taken Kings mark.

 

[H00t]

It doesn't fully explain us losing them that badly (and we do need to lift our clearance game), but it partially explains how they got such an ascendency. If we played an extra player at stoppages as well, it would have been a fair bit closer you'd expect.

Having an extra number around the clearances can help for generating good quality clearances or winning a couple extra.

It doesn’t explain us getting smashed like we were. It would probably be close to the worst stoppage clearance differential of all time. Plenty of teams have played with one less around the ball and not been nearly beaten as convincingly in clearances.

It was great the team still got the win but winning will be a whole lot harder if we keep dishing that up around stoppages.

 

[Iceman!]

Case in point, if you classify scrims as severe contact how would you grade archers hit? Given damage was far far greater as per outcome.

Further, you would argue his hit was more of a strike as he used his knee to the players head, where as scrims was his bicep? How do you strike with your biceps?

You could argue that, but it would be a stupid argument.

The incidents are not remotely similar or comparable and have no reason to be compared.