Henry has youth on his side
Autopsy Rd 1 - We Flog Brisbane, But at What Cost
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Maybe I didn't explain my question enough.
First how it usually works - In this example (freo kicking to left of screen) the ball is marked by freo player and the marker goes back along the red line and kicks over the mark. the man on the mark (lions) can stand on the x or anywhere on the green:
And the defending player stands on the X and this is normal:
But in the Hayden Young case (Lions kicking to right of screen) it was different. Zorko takes the mark:
Then the the marker, Zorko, walks forward:
So Hayden Young was penalised for standing in the green.
I guess my question is more "why in this case was the point of catching the ball no longer "the mark" and why could Young be penalised for being in an area normally allowable?" Shouldn't Young have been allowed to stand on the X and Zorko have to back up along the red line and kick over the X? What am I missing?
First how it usually works - In this example (freo kicking to left of screen) the ball is marked by freo player and the marker goes back along the red line and kicks over the mark. the man on the mark (lions) can stand on the x or anywhere on the green:
And the defending player stands on the X and this is normal:
But in the Hayden Young case (Lions kicking to right of screen) it was different. Zorko takes the mark:
Then the the marker, Zorko, walks forward:
So Hayden Young was penalised for standing in the green.
I guess my question is more "why in this case was the point of catching the ball no longer "the mark" and why could Young be penalised for being in an area normally allowable?" Shouldn't Young have been allowed to stand on the X and Zorko have to back up along the red line and kick over the X? What am I missing?
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they're the same age & draft...
I'm not entirely sure, but my take on it was Ryan was the one who was supposed to stand on the mark. When he rolled off to be outside the 5, then nobody is allowed to stand right on the mark. So when Young came in, then Young was pinged for encroaching into the protected area.
It seemed the right call to me from the stands and after watching it on the big screen. I haven't watched the replay, so don't know what the umpire/commentators said.
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I see where you are coming from but why was the protected area so far in front of where the mark was taken? How did the protected area move downfield? Somehow in the situation, the "mark" got transported several metres toward the goal and the Zorko wasn't called "play on" for being 2 steps forward of where he took the mark. Is it to do with the confusion of who was going to stand on the mark? As far as I can see, the rules allow for a defending play to be penalised if he crosses between the "mark" and the player taking their kick. I can think of several examples of players - even a couple of them being in the green area without penalty.
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We all need a whipping boy and Hughes is one that cops it regularly. He was poor by foot in Q1 but after that he was fine. He is the hardest bloke at the club so we absolutely need him while others recover from injury for sure…
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Henry is 1 month younger!
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If that is the call then... ok but the two isues with that:
- the other guy never got within several metres of the actual point the ball was caught so was he really on "the mark"? Its not like he took up position and then ran away.
- if we accept that he WAS on the mark and has run away then Zorko has played on by crossing the mark. far from being penalised, Young could have tackled him.And young didn't go to the mark - he went 3 or 4 metres downfield
(sorry for sounding like I am arguing with everyone! but I am not getting it )
Well, if it was Pav he does it bloody well.
He must get that role at all our games. What’s worse is he isn’t TTP ; **** him.
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The other player is standing the mark or outside 5 (whichever) and Young isn't allowed to run within 5 to take either of those positions.
Young came from behind and arguably ran within 5 m of the player as he was running to the mark. Umps will let players do that if they're running to the mark, but Ryan was already standing the mark and Young was moving in to switch with him. Thus he infringed on the protected zone.
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I enjoyed the tackling intent, and specifically the timing of allowing the opposition player to get the ball then taking them down a second later with a tackle to trap the ball. We trust our stoppage game
There were a few times we could have gotten to the ball first, and chose to sit off the man instead. A team that soccers the ball forward more will counteract us, but then the ball isn't under control by anyone
There were a few times we could have gotten to the ball first, and chose to sit off the man instead. A team that soccers the ball forward more will counteract us, but then the ball isn't under control by anyone
Nah they both stay.
Johnson struggled when JL moved him forward so if anything Johnson and Erasmus may be swapped next week.
Emmett was fine yesterday.
Man, midfield just looked completely different to last year. Adding Youngy and Fyfe makes us look so much tougher around the ball. Thrilled.
Amiss on track for 93 goals
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Loved that kick-out from Luke Ryan in the first quarter. First kick-out of the year and it was an absolute bullet to Youngy on the centre square. Set the intent for the game perfectly. Terrific game from Luke.
Sharp, Jeremy. Loved his game. For a lean looking guy he has a booming kick. Perfect for that wing spot.
Genuinely think everybody played a brilliant game other than Johnno who was a bit shakey and Tommy who was fairly quiet. Back them in to go again though.
No idea if he's ready or not but I'd love a Draper/Davies debut. Heartbreaking for OMac. Really hope we sign him on for another year, goes to show how important depth is.
Also kinda love that Nev didn't go for a checkside in that left pocket. Backed himself in for the drop punt. Nearly got it too. No fuss, no frills.
Bring on the boomers.
Amiss on track for 93 goals
️Loved that kick-out from Luke Ryan in the first quarter. First kick-out of the year and it was an absolute bullet to Youngy on the centre square. Set the intent for the game perfectly. Terrific game from Luke.
Sharp, Jeremy. Loved his game. For a lean looking guy he has a booming kick. Perfect for that wing spot.
Genuinely think everybody played a brilliant game other than Johnno who was a bit shakey and Tommy who was fairly quiet. Back them in to go again though.
No idea if he's ready or not but I'd love a Draper/Davies debut. Heartbreaking for OMac. Really hope we sign him on for another year, goes to show how important depth is.
Also kinda love that Nev didn't go for a checkside in that left pocket. Backed himself in for the drop punt. Nearly got it too. No fuss, no frills.
Bring on the boomers.
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This. I think some of turnovers he had in the first quarter was a result of taking a riskier option and combined with rust and perhaps not having skill to pull it off..
What's not mentioned much is after those, there was one play in front and not far from goals he went in hard and prevent Brisbane player almost getting their hands on it which would of resulted in a goal
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I will take that as my best answer. And I will let it go..... (but Zorko had played on by being over the mark... )
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It's a loop hole in the rules if umpires are calling stand when players are behind the notional mark but have the protected zone move forward with the player. What Young did though was 50 as it's written (swap players on the mark coming back through the protected zone, even if it was on a pretty shallow angle).
The whole point of the protected space rule though was to prevent opposition players blocking space for teammates of the the player with the ball from running past from behind to receive. When you see players pinged for swapping the mark to the side in front a stationary player 4 metres away with no-one behind on the whole field, let alone teammates, we're well into the rules for the sake of rules zone.
'Stand' and the Protected zone as they are officiated are now continually leading to a large penalty for players not trying to gain an advantage, rather more often its the team with the ball trying to game it.
The whole point of the protected space rule though was to prevent opposition players blocking space for teammates of the the player with the ball from running past from behind to receive. When you see players pinged for swapping the mark to the side in front a stationary player 4 metres away with no-one behind on the whole field, let alone teammates, we're well into the rules for the sake of rules zone.
'Stand' and the Protected zone as they are officiated are now continually leading to a large penalty for players not trying to gain an advantage, rather more often its the team with the ball trying to game it.
Man, midfield just looked completely different to last year. Adding Youngy and Fyfe makes us look so much tougher around the ball. Thrilled.
Amiss on track for 93 goals️
Loved that kick-out from Luke Ryan in the first quarter. First kick-out of the year and it was an absolute bullet to Youngy on the centre square. Set the intent for the game perfectly. Terrific game from Luke.
Sharp, Jeremy. Loved his game. For a lean looking guy he has a booming kick. Perfect for that wing spot.
Genuinely think everybody played a brilliant game other than Johnno who was a bit shakey and Tommy who was fairly quiet. Back them in to go again though.
No idea if he's ready or not but I'd love a Draper/Davies debut. Heartbreaking for OMac. Really hope we sign him on for another year, goes to show how important depth is.
Also kinda love that Nev didn't go for a checkside in that left pocket. Backed himself in for the drop punt. Nearly got it too. No fuss, no frills.
Bring on the boomers.
️I was sitting right behind Amiss for that goal. We ( me & my mate) both said right goalpost let the wind bring it through & he hit it perfectly but the ball stayed dead straight.
He’s a brilliant kick.
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So many great performances, so standouts only:
Fyfe was a beast. We got beaten up in the middle last year. This game Fyfe got the ball from the tap, they tried to manhandle him instantly, he didn't notice and got the ball out to our advantage. Players passed to his fingertips which would have been missed by others and probably gone back the other way. Instead, the Fyfe buckets held on and again kept it going forward. Brissie remonstrates and fyfe is holding off two big dudes with a hand each. Awesome stuff. Good to have him back, in the middle, staying on the ground, playing his role as extractor and enforcer.
Pearce literally kept us from getting demolished in the first in the back half. He was Hodor.
Switta's effort to spoil turned the momentum
Serong and his ever largening quads owned the ball.
Treacy and Amiss and Jackson are the tall goal-kicking forward line we have been waiting for since Pav's retirement.
Downers:
Injuries obviously.
MJ had a shocker but he's young, we have high expectations of him, and so he will learn a lot from those mistakes.
Hughes kicking straight to the chest of Brissie players 3 times early in the game was not impressive.
We tried to be a bit cute at times in the first and it often went pear shaped (e.g. Ryan's drop back off the mark to cause Young to step in and get 50). Once we removed that things went better.
Fyfe was a beast. We got beaten up in the middle last year. This game Fyfe got the ball from the tap, they tried to manhandle him instantly, he didn't notice and got the ball out to our advantage. Players passed to his fingertips which would have been missed by others and probably gone back the other way. Instead, the Fyfe buckets held on and again kept it going forward. Brissie remonstrates and fyfe is holding off two big dudes with a hand each. Awesome stuff. Good to have him back, in the middle, staying on the ground, playing his role as extractor and enforcer.
Pearce literally kept us from getting demolished in the first in the back half. He was Hodor.
Switta's effort to spoil turned the momentum
Serong and his ever largening quads owned the ball.
Treacy and Amiss and Jackson are the tall goal-kicking forward line we have been waiting for since Pav's retirement.
Downers:
Injuries obviously.
MJ had a shocker but he's young, we have high expectations of him, and so he will learn a lot from those mistakes.
Hughes kicking straight to the chest of Brissie players 3 times early in the game was not impressive.
We tried to be a bit cute at times in the first and it often went pear shaped (e.g. Ryan's drop back off the mark to cause Young to step in and get 50). Once we removed that things went better.
Midfield looks big again. Serong and Andy have really grown into their bodies. Youngie prob another preseason away from being a physical specimen too.Man, midfield just looked completely different to last year. Adding Youngy and Fyfe makes us look so much tougher around the ball. Thrilled.
Amiss on track for 93 goals
Loved that kick-out from Luke Ryan in the first quarter. First kick-out of the year and it was an absolute bullet to Youngy on the centre square. Set the intent for the game perfectly. Terrific game from Luke.
Sharp, Jeremy. Loved his game. For a lean looking guy he has a booming kick. Perfect for that wing spot.
Genuinely think everybody played a brilliant game other than Johnno who was a bit shakey and Tommy who was fairly quiet. Back them in to go again though.
No idea if he's ready or not but I'd love a Draper/Davies debut. Heartbreaking for OMac. Really hope we sign him on for another year, goes to show how important depth is.
Also kinda love that Nev didn't go for a checkside in that left pocket. Backed himself in for the drop punt. Nearly got it too. No fuss, no frills.
Bring on the boomers.
i dont like about amiss doesnt snap around the body on those tight angles. Walters showed how its done. Though who am I to tell Jye how to kick for goal.
Haha, I think tbonefreo’s post went over your head.
Yeah Sharp absolutely flushed a couple of 50-60 metre kicks, the equivalent to 3 Liam Henry kicks. And he has serious wheels. Once he gets confidence in his game and what he is expected to do with our style, he'll be a gun running up and down Optus.
