It’s actually not bad, developing nicely. Train station through there.
Just need the ARC to be completed with apartments.
Fremantle is soooo slow getting their act together
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Just need the ARC to be completed with apartments.
Fremantle is soooo slow getting their act together
Are you talking about Fremantle FC being slow.And do you mean about apartments being built at the ARC?
If so, then you should or need to know that the land does not belong to FFC.
People complain about the Sandy Ridge on the Southern side, and that Fremantle need to fix it. It is not FFC land to do anything with. It belongs to the developers.
Does anyone really care though? It's not designed to be a spectator friendly facility nor should it be.
Fremantle oval should be though, and a decent, comfortable venue would do wonders for getting more people to the footy there because it's in a great location. Instead we have a third world venue with terrible seating and shocking facilities because of multiple factors, but the main one being a recalcitrant, regressive council.
Honestly, Freo oval should be the 2nd best venue in the state. Instead it's the worst WAFL ground.
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Anyone here been to the redeveloped Port Adelaide facilities at Alberton Oval.
That's what I'd like to see Freo have.
That's what I'd like to see Freo have.
I would argue the main issue is actually cash.
Does anyone on this forum actually understand the level of redevelopment proposed will require state or federal funding?
East Freo was paid for by the state. Freo Oval deserves state funding too.
The only thing holding the development back is cash. Not sure any local government in WA would have easy access to $150m.
I have made it clear many times in posts that had the FCC worked hardrr, FFC would still be at Fremantle oval. Regardless of what uou say, it is still the best ground in the WAFL. It has tradition, it has jistory. Andcwill always be the home of WAFL football.
Yes Success is not ideal, but it is our forever home. Get used to it.
You've made the assertion many times but I've yet to see any one put up a convincing case how staying at Fremantle oval could have been sustainable.
Different people value different things, and some put more emphasis on the history and WAFL background than others, but no matter how you feel about it we were going to be severely limited in what we could do if we stayed.
The cash would be a lot easier to raise when there's a genuinely united coalition of stakeholders, including the council, FFC and both WAFL clubs. Actually run a campaign. Focus on the benefit to female footy, governments love that now. But that interest hasn't been there from seemingly any party.
$150 million seems particularly excessive though.
Agreed. Just can’t understand why we are so ****ing regressive in WA when it comes to planning necessary and high quality infrastructure. Optus Stadium is a draw with a big pub next door and a casino within cooee. That site used to be a tip. What does beautiful, historical, venue-surrounded and train-accessible Freo have? Sweet **** all.
I am only pointing out that Fremantle COULD still be at Fremantle oval, IF the Fcc tried harder. I am happy that we are in Success. Just up the road from me.
But if Freo were still at FO, it could have been a place where visitors to Freo could go and look at the facilities. A place where people from OS and interstate to see what we have. Maybe a chance to sell more merchandise than at Success.
But if Freo were still at FO, it could have been a place where visitors to Freo could go and look at the facilities. A place where people from OS and interstate to see what we have. Maybe a chance to sell more merchandise than at Success.
FFC at Success have a rail line and station within walking distance. A shopping centre within walking distance. A very good hotel within the area of the shopping centre.
All within walking distance.
Do you actuall know what is in the area of the ARC?
It requires a bit more than nodding along to get significant government funding. You have to show there's votes in it.
You ever got anything from the club trying to promote it to members? I haven't seen anything. I would have thought that's the first place to start.
Terrible venue, a disgrace in fact.
But it's not Freo Council who are disgraced.
I am a freo rate payer.
FCC is a small council with a low rate base offering many facilities that are used by non freo non rate paying visitors.
The Council who should be ashamed are the WAFC who treat 2nd tier footy in WA with utter contempt .
Where's their plan for quality second tier venues to showcase the sport?
According to the masterplan on page 66 (see Fremantle Oval Masterplan) the anticipated costs are:
- Stage 1: $45M for enabling works; predominantly realigning the oval to allow for housing (two buildings of about 6 floors in height)
- Stage 1b: $100M sports facilities, $20M community facilities
- Stage 2: Said housing development (No cost estimate but to be delivered as a PPP, which means the cost would be relative to the value that can be brought in in terms of selling units)
- East Freo - $32.5M (about $29M from state government, $2m from council)
- Claremont Oval - $16M (funded by state government)
- WACA redevelopment - $150M ($62M from state government, rest from Federal Government, WACF, Cricket Australia - presumably the majority from the federal government).
Claremont Oval seems like the most relevant case example; the thing is that again DevWA led a lot of that work, the value was a lot lower than $100M and the Town of Claremont as I understand it have been relatively easy and professional to work with. From my experiences dealing with Fremantle's administration, I am not sure that they are up to the task of administering or even being partner to a project of this size, so that will be a challenge. You can imagine as well that at a councillor level they will want to have their cake and eat it too; asking for money for the right to develop but then also wanting so many conditions and contributions to back as well, which will leave the administration in a tricky position.
Another challenge will be the community perception and as a consequence getting a developer to come in; you only need to have a look at the stakeholder report and read between the lines that there will be numerous challenges to a housing project that needs to maintain the heritage and aesthetic constraints whilst also delivering value to whomever the developer is. Again that is where I see DevelopmentWA being key, because private developers are unlikely to want to touch this project (High Risk and Low Reward).
Ignoring the fact there is a willing coalition, Think about this for a moment...
East Fremantle oval didn't have a master plan like Fremantle Oval does. Nor does it cater for so many people or activities.
East Fremantle had millions thrown at it leading up to an election in a marginal seat.
Fremantle Oval is the safest seat in WA.
Can you see how things are funded in WA?
I'm yet to see anyone put up a convincing case how staying at Fremantle Oval couldn't be sustainable?
Please explain how we were going to be limited?
I'm assuming you've toured the CoC facility and Fremantle Oval extensively.
The most convincing case is the Cockburn facilities were developed and FFC actually relocated, when there were strong downsides to doing so.
I never claimed to have extensive knowledge of either, but my understanding of the key factors;
- Oval at Cockburn large enough to simulate all AFL grounds
- Significantly more space, I can't remember the exact numbers but it was over double from recollection
- Ability to reconfigure Freo Oval for aspects including change rooms and modern facilities was limited by the heritage stands and space restrictions
- Access to indoor and other community facilities at Cockburn
- More likelihood of attracting funding for the Cockburn facilities, and stronger support for development from the Council and related parties
- And most importantly of all, water slides
I appreciate that, but most FFC members do not live in the Fremantle electorate. Nor would most users of Freo oval.
It's a wider issue that goes beyond local electorate boundaries.
Thank you for replying and confirming you actually have no idea what you're talking about.
Thanks for replying and providing such valuable insight.
I'm just here to call out your unfounded statement. We were not limited by staying in Freo as you suggested.
Why did they move then? You think the club didn't have access to the best data?
You don't have to be Einstein to work that out.
