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[dougiemac]

When was is made legal to scan the public with facial recognition software linked to either proprietary or G’ment based data? Were people consulted and what boundaries were set? Sounds like someone took the top off a barrel-fire.

Condition of entry, that’s a laugh, I’ve not a thing to hide but I’d never attend AFL again on principle if that were the case and never give them another cent. If I was living in Australia I’d simply start following whatever was local more and step away. It’s already become gentrified to within the last gasp of its personality.

I don’t think people should accept things as ‘here to stay’ so easily.

Plus, strongly tipping follow some/all of above advice and arrive when it’s busy, keep your head down, you’ll be golden, full stop.

Not in Black Mirror just yet. I’d imagine things have tightened up significantly last 6 years though. Well not just imagine.

A neighbour is a former IT bloke who told me that all the AI stuff is way more advanced than the powers that be let on. He also said that the people developing this stuff are "not our friends".

 

[Saint Ray]

When was is made legal to scan the public with facial recognition software linked to either proprietary or G’ment based data? Were people consulted and what boundaries were set? Sounds like someone took the top off a barrel-fire.

Condition of entry, that’s a laugh, I’ve not a thing to hide but I’d never attend AFL again on principle if that were the case and never give them another cent. If I was living in Australia I’d simply start following whatever was local more and step away. It’s already become gentrified to within the last gasp of its personality.

I don’t think people should accept things as ‘here to stay’ so easily.

Plus, strongly tipping follow some/all of above advice and arrive when it’s busy, keep your head down, you’ll be golden, full stop.

Not in Black Mirror just yet. I’d imagine things have tightened up significantly last 6 years though. Well not just imagine.

Bunnings anyone?

 

[Joffaboy]

A neighbour is a former IT bloke who told me that all the AI stuff is way more advanced than the powers that be let on. He also said that the people developing this stuff are "not our friends".

He is correct. Not one of my friends developed AI.

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[gringo2011]

A neighbour is a former IT bloke who told me that all the AI stuff is way more advanced than the powers that be let on. He also said that the people developing this stuff are "not our friends".

Most of it isn't intelligent yet. It's a tool that makes things out of what it finds on line. No doubt that the governments and tech companies have more than the public have access to though. Most money is spent on AI military advancements.

The people who manage it are definitely not our friends. It is going to be used nefariously like most tech eventually does. It will start removing people's jobs soon.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

A neighbour is a former IT bloke who told me that all the AI stuff is way more advanced than the powers that be let on. He also said that the people developing this stuff are "not our friends".

Lets just say the stuff the US military have, is a little different to the stuff you can use for free to make pr0n.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Most of it isn't intelligent yet. It's a tool that makes things out of what it finds on line. No doubt that the governments and tech companies have more than the public have access to though. Most money is spent on AI military advancements.

The people who manage it are definitely not our friends. It is going to be used nefariously like most tech eventually does. It will start removing people's jobs soon.

My son recently completed a Bachelor in IT. He uses ChatGPT sometimes.
He's demonstrated how he can make a moving 3d model, programmed in Python, just from asking for it. It knows how to program in Python, and that's not open to interpretation.
The bit where its interpreting what it finds online , yep that's dodgy.
When you ask a random question, and you see some of the answers that pop up on Quora or Reddit, yeah i can understand that AI would get it wrong. The other thing that is happening, is that AI finds answers online that other AI has come up with, which is a bit like cloning a clone, you magnify the errors.

 

[Nutsngum]

A neighbour is a former IT bloke who told me that all the AI stuff is way more advanced than the powers that be let on. He also said that the people developing this stuff are "not our friends".

The "powerful stuff" is largely the highly curated learning models that software companies have been using for the last decade.

The big difference with general access AI is that it uses models taken from massive scraping of the internet. This gives it a lot of information to draw from and also a huge amount of ways to **** it up.

You generally will find that the only actual useful application of AI currently is when its being used with a very detailed and finite data set.

 

[Ads734]

A neighbour is a former IT bloke who told me that all the AI stuff is way more advanced than the powers that be let on. He also said that the people developing this stuff are "not our friends".

Can they engineer a Saints Premiership or a Brownlow midfielder. Otherwise I’m not buying it.

 

[seasonedsainter]

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Conditions of entry to the MCG, note 3.2 under 3. Filming.

Now I know no one reads T&C's at my work given the calls I get about things, but some people having NFI and still waxing lyrical will never not be hilarious to me.

Just for ref also, Here's the AFL Ticket & Entry Conditions document which also has 2.2(a) that mirrors the above.

And since I have docs going back to the late 90's, this has been consistent, just language has changed as tech improved to either add or remove certain lings re cameras and analogue to digital things.

It's also the reason why the chats last year are still ongoing BTW (at least to the best of my knowledge) as your face is not as security oriented as your credit card number for example in current parlances. Privacy is still a concern in such situations for it to then be an ongoing discussion point as to what may change in the near future.

Anywho, hopefully this helps.

Interesting, will have a proper look, but 3.2 states “for what is reasonably necessary” and refers directly to MCC functions, so it’s far from watertight legally and not close to prescriptive of what they’re actually doing.

I wonder the response if I sent them an email saying as a non-MCC member I’d like to opt-out of 3.2 due to privacy concerns. And if pushed we could start to delve into the reasonably necessary business. Like I wonder are there Federal or State laws around this stuff yet in Australia?

Also didn’t see anything about facial recognition in the AFL conditions of entry.

 

[seasonedsainter]

Bunnings anyone?

This has gone over my head — are you saying they use facial recognition or I should setup a stall outside of one and start ranting?

 

[Hubnester]

This has gone over my head — are you saying they use facial recognition or I should setup a stall outside of one and start ranting?

Bunnings breached Australians’ privacy with facial recognition tool

The system, via CCTV, captured the faces of every person – likely hundreds of thousands of individuals – who entered 63 Bunnings stores between 2018 and 2021.

www.oaic.gov.au

 

[seasonedsainter]

Well according to that very recent Bunnings ruling and some of the language coming out of it, especially this --

"We can’t change our face. The Privacy Act recognises this, classing our facial image and other biometric information as sensitive information, which has a high level of privacy protection..."

I would categorise that bullshit MCG entrance clause 3.2 smack bang in the category of Flimsy.

Wouldn't be surprised to see it challenged, totally re-worded or become a talking point in near future.

 

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That maybe so but that doesn’t help a ruckman that’s got much shorter reach!
A short ruckman is up against it at the elite level

Correct it becomes a strength vs reach battle as opposed to vertical leap. Nankervis and Briggs have shown strength typically wins unless against most league rucks unless you are up against Gawn, Darcy, Xerri who have a good amount of both but there are not many of those around.


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[Saint Ray]

Interesting, will have a proper look, but 3.2 states “for what is reasonably necessary” and refers directly to MCC functions, so it’s far from watertight legally and not close to prescriptive of what they’re actually doing.

I wonder the response if I sent them an email saying as a non-MCC member I’d like to opt-out of 3.2 due to privacy concerns. And if pushed we could start to delve into the reasonably necessary business. Like I wonder are there Federal or State laws around this stuff yet in Australia?

Also didn’t see anything about facial recognition in the AFL conditions of entry.

I don't see it as a problem unless you want to behave like a goose.

 

[gringo2011]

My son recently completed a Bachelor in IT. He uses ChatGPT sometimes.
He's demonstrated how he can make a moving 3d model, programmed in Python, just from asking for it. It knows how to program in Python, and that's not open to interpretation.
The bit where its interpreting what it finds online , yep that's dodgy.
When you ask a random question, and you see some of the answers that pop up on Quora or Reddit, yeah i can understand that AI would get it wrong. The other thing that is happening, is that AI finds answers online that other AI has come up with, which is a bit like cloning a clone, you magnify the errors.

Incredible what it can do already. My brother in law has an IT business, before covid they were getting coders in from overseas because they couldn't get enough locals. Now he gets Chat GBT to code for him and then goes over and fixes the shit it gets wrong. Saves them so much money on wages but also loses people jobs. Same as they used to have a design team that is now all either outsourced or done in automated programs or AI.

Give it 10 years and lawyers and admin jobs etc will be rare. Service economy with some face to face stuff will be all there is left.

 

[True Believer]

I don't see it as a problem unless you want to behave like a goose.

Aaaahh, the retort of the intellectually challenged. "Gross invasion of your personal boundaries shouldn't matter if you have nothing to hide" !! Using the pretence that I MAY do something I shouldn't as a justification to extend the powers and reach of those in authority is something that some people will only recognise as a mistake when it's too late.

What is the old expression:
First they came for the religious people, and I said nothing, because I am not religious.
Then they came for the educated people, and I said nothing, because I am not educated.
Then they came for the unionists, and I said nothing, because I am not in a union.
Then they came for me, and there was no-one left to speak up for me......

 

[True Believer]

Incredible what it can do already. My brother in law has an IT business, before covid they were getting coders in from overseas because they couldn't get enough locals. Now he gets Chat GBT to code for him and then goes over and fixes the shit it gets wrong. Saves them so much money on wages but also loses people jobs. Same as they used to have a design team that is now all either outsourced or done in automated programs or AI.

Give it 10 years and lawyers and admin jobs etc will be rare. Service economy with some face to face stuff will be all there is left.

Add that to automation replacing people in manufacturing, and a whole lot of jobs are disappearing. Why do you think the gradual move to pricing energy as a control mechanism of the masses has been quietly rolled out under the "climate change" banner......with effective indoctrination you can get those incapable of critical thought to assist for their own execution!

 

[beside the seaside]

Byrnes played some decent footy in the later part of the year. If he could consistently produce around his best footy he would be a lock I think. Would not be surprised to see him entrenched in the 22 this year all going well for him. He has improved his kicking and decision making quite a bit

 

[Saint Ray]

Aaaahh, the retort of the intellectually challenged. "Gross invasion of your personal boundaries shouldn't matter if you have nothing to hide" !! Using the pretence that I MAY do something I shouldn't as a justification to extend the powers and reach of those in authority is something that some people will only recognise as a mistake when it's too late.

What is the old expression:
First they came for the religious people, and I said nothing, because I am not religious.
Then they came for the educated people, and I said nothing, because I am not educated.
Then they came for the unionists, and I said nothing, because I am not in a union.
Then they came for me, and there was no-one left to speak up for me......

What a load of crap. And you have the hide to call me intellectually challenged.

And for what its worth, I don't believe for one second that facial recognition cameras are a gross invasion of ones personal liberties.

 

[CaptainRisky]

FFS , I understand there no training updates ATM but really do you need to post all this crap in here , Yeah great job Mods

 

[CaptainRisky]

Byrnes played some decent footy in the later part of the year. If he could consistently produce around his best footy he would be a lock I think. Would not be surprised to see him entrenched in the 22 this year all going well for him. He has improved his kicking and decision making quite a bit

Without injuries there is no way he is best 22 , if he is well we wont be winning a flag anytime soon

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Can they engineer a Saints Premiership or a Brownlow midfielder. Otherwise I’m not buying it.

Pretty sure AI is smarter than the average Essendon supporter.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Add that to automation replacing people in manufacturing, and a whole lot of jobs are disappearing. Why do you think the gradual move to pricing energy as a control mechanism of the masses has been quietly rolled out under the "climate change" banner......with effective indoctrination you can get those incapable of critical thought to assist for their own execution!

Since covid its been really hard to get people, and thats globally.
The corporation i work for has a documented strategy to invest in labour saving technology so that the glut of people coming up to retire don't impact the business.
Even in our little Australian branch we are getting a Co-bot ( a co-bot is a people friendly Robot, essentially if you get in its way, it won't knock your teeth out, so you can get right in close with it ) to replace some manual assembly.

 

[dougiemac]

Pretty sure AI is smarter than the average Essendon supporter.

So is a pot plant.

 

[jwikked]

I don't see it as a problem unless you want to behave like a goose.

Installing cameras into everybody's homes that the police can watch at all times will solve a lot of crimes, and prevent a lot more.
Are you prepared to give them access into your house at all times?