Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Tim Evans Beard]

Roughly from which point did the idea of the VFL being the premier comp take hold? Was it back in the early 80's when they went semi-national after relocating South Melbourne?

From all of the old footy books I've read that belonged to either my dad or older brother, all three of the WAFL, SANFL & VFL were considered to be on equal footing.

As a dirty old campaigner, I consider the best three players, to also be the best three Aboriginal players, who I also consider to be the best three WA players.

There is a really strong argument that Cable, Micheal, and Farmer are the sports greatest players and Micheal with strong claims as the best of the three.

Micheal never went over east and it is loss to all those who never saw him play.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

The league formerly known as the VFA is now known as the VFL, and also acts as a de-facto reserves comp for the AFL. Completely different league.

I find myself liking more and more of your stuff as it is consistent. I don’t agree with all of it but your consistent application of your beliefs in this thread is refreshing. Thank you.

 

[Roby]

Try and follow this logic:
Port Adelaide Magpies is the exact same club as Port Power, they just changed the nickname.
VFL is the exact same competition as the AFL, they just changed the name.

It's NOT the same league. It's a super league.

A super league where a third of the clubs are plastic and manufactured artificially like West Coast, Adelaide, GWS, Sydney, Lions and Gold Coast

A super league which has changed completely the parameters of Aussie Rules history by introducing manufactured equalization, drafting and salary cap. Plastic football stadiums suited for corporates over fans.

Now you embrace this super league aspect by foricing another club to deny as much as possible its history, heritage and colours.

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

Agree that it's well written, however, isn't the real reason PA AFL wanted to become one with PA SANFL the 31 (or however many) flags? One flag in 23 years doesn't sound so great, particularly as PA supporters had become used to winning one every other year before joining the AFL, except your tally still unbelievably includes the SANFL (your reserves) flags won since as senior flags.

The jumper thing is just another step in that direction.

Not really. The PAFC has always been the PAFC.

1 flag in 23 years is terrible. No jumper will change that. Acknowledging SANFL flags will not change that.

We were awful in the AFL for many years. No jumper will change that. Acknowledging SANFL flags will not change that.

The PAFC owns all of its history. The good and the terrible.

 

[parano1a]

It's NOT the same league. It's a super league.

I guess the VFL can be classified as a "Super League" as eight clubs broke away from the existing VFA to form a new competition in 1897.

A super league where a third of the clubs are plastic and manufactured artificially like West Coast, Adelaide, GWS, Sydney, Lions and Gold Coast

Sydney is not plastic and manufactured artificially, they are the same club that entered the competition in its 1897 as South Melbourne.

A super league which has changed completely the parameters of Aussie Rules history by introducing manufactured equalization, drafting and salary cap. Plastic football stadiums suited for corporates over fans.

Many, many changes have occurred between 1897 and 2021 however it is the same contiguous competition. Some of the clubs including Carlton and Collingwood have participated in every single season to date. Some clubs had to sit out a few seasons during WWI. Two clubs have exited the competition (University and Fitzroy). Some newer clubs have joined from other states recently, but there was no formation of a "breakaway league" from the VFL because it is still the same competition. All that happened was a name change to AFL in 1990.

Now you embrace this super league aspect by foricing another club to deny as much as possible its history, heritage and colours.

Nobody forced Port Adelaide to join the league, they could have remained in the SANFL wearing the same colours, as Glenelg, Norwood and the other SANFL teams have. The AFL can determine what each of its clubs wears and it made the agreement upon joining the league that Port would wear teal, black and white and be known as the Port Adelaide Power, as its Magpies nickname and black and white colours were already in use by an existing AFL club.

 

[Outback Footy]

This makes me feel dirty....but I have to agree with Eddie on this one. Urgh!

Personally I dont see the problem in PAFC wearing the prison bars, except against Collingwood where I would have thought the away team wore its away strip (Pies would need to get one )

BUT, the contract is clear. Port were to be allowed to wear the PB's once a year in "Heritage Round". Now they want to wear it for both showdowns, despite neither being a "Heritage" Round. Thats not Kosher. They agreed to that contract when they entered the League. It was a condition for entry 14 years ago. They also agreed not to sell either b&w or magpies branded kit, yet theyre selling both now. AFL should crack down on that and reinforce their identity.

Just say no.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

This makes me feel dirty....but I have to agree with Eddie on this one. Urgh!

If it makes you feel dirty it's because you know it is wrong.

 

[Outback Footy]

If it makes you feel dirty it's because you know it is wrong.

Lol, everything Eddie is wrong. But a contract is a contract. The argument is working to fire up the Power fans though, mission achieved Kochie

 

[Billys Back]

Port should be wearing their original colour - MAGENTA!!!

 

[Bearded Clam]

The 1990 bid is covered in great detail in Norman Ashton's 2018 book "Destiny: How Port Adelaide Put Itself On The National Stage". I highly recommend checking this book out if you're interested in the story behind the 1990 bid and the subsequent successful bid. It certainly would have been interesting had we been admitted in 1991 with the talent we had on the park at that time and that would come through in the subsequent 5 years. I really believe we would have won an AFL flag within 5 seasons. What might have been ...

Geezus.. talk about just throwing up any old completely unprovable claim and discussing it like it pretty much wouldve been a certainty.

There some real koolaid drinking involved there...

 

[Bearded Clam]

So it seems today the conversation has been shifted by some power supporters to the 1990 bid and how this bid somehow involved allowing port adelaide to wear their Sanfl PB guernsey in the AFL if granted a license..

So, theyve gone from focusing on the heritage round agreement (because that allowed the PB’s to be worn) to arguing on the basis of an obscure 1990 arrangement.. that never even eventuated because they were not granted a license in the end.. thus its irrelevant.

When are they simply going to focus on the real agreement.. the one they signed up to, and recieved a license into the AFL agreeing to, just prior to their first year in the AFL in 97?..

At the end of the day... This is the only agreement that matters... discussing anything else is pointless.. it says the power cant wear the PB’s, collingwood dont want changes made to it and the AFL is sticking to it..

 

[HirdsTheWord]

So it seems today the conversation has been shifted by some power supporters to the 1990 bid and how this bid somehow involved allowing port adelaide to wear their Sanfl PB guernsey in the AFL if granted a license..

So, theyve gone from focusing on the heritage round agreement (because that allowed the PB’s to be worn) to arguing on the basis of an obscure 1990 arrangement.. that never even eventuated because they were not granted a license in the end.. thus its irrelevant.

When are they simply going to focus on the real agreement.. the one they signed up to, and recieved a license into the AFL agreeing to, just prior to their first year in the AFL in 97?..

At the end of the day... This is the only agreement that matters... discussing anything else is pointless.. it says the power cant wear the PB’s, collingwood dont want changes made to it and the AFL is sticking to it..

Agreed - they signed it so they should honor it, or lobby for a new Agreement, having a sook because you don't want to do something you signed up for its pretty off stuff........

I don't really get why they want to push for it anyway. The Prison Bar jumper looks shit house. The current teal one looks a million times better.

I think this is more of a case of wanting to do something just because someone said you cant do it.

 

[Mr39]

So it seems today the conversation has been shifted by some power supporters to the 1990 bid and how this bid somehow involved allowing port adelaide to wear their Sanfl PB guernsey in the AFL if granted a license..

So, theyve gone from focusing on the heritage round agreement (because that allowed the PB’s to be worn) to arguing on the basis of an obscure 1990 arrangement.. that never even eventuated because they were not granted a license in the end.. thus its irrelevant.

When are they simply going to focus on the real agreement.. the one they signed up to, and recieved a license into the AFL agreeing to, just prior to their first year in the AFL in 97?..

At the end of the day... This is the only agreement that matters... discussing anything else is pointless.. it says the power cant wear the PB’s, collingwood dont want changes made to it and the AFL is sticking to it..

Got a copy of that agreement?

 

[Underarm]

Roughly from which point did the idea of the VFL being the premier comp take hold? Was it back in the early 80's when they went semi-national after relocating South Melbourne?

From all of the old footy books I've read that belonged to either my dad or older brother, all three of the WAFL, SANFL & VFL were considered to be on equal footing.

Yes, easily. Definitely by the time Clubs from those competitions were angling to join.

 

[Ray Nolan]

Will have to see if I can track down a copy, its about time I added to my sports book collection! Just seemed like the natural solution to me to admit both Port & the Crows at the same time which would have cancelled out the need for a bye round from 1991 - 1994. Clearly there was enough talent to go around &, as you said, Port would have most likely have been finals contenders at the very least during the early 90s.

It's not that widely available but it can be had by making a phone order with The Port Store at Alberton who still had copies last time I was there a few weeks back.

 

[Ray Nolan]

Port should be wearing their original colour - MAGENTA!!!

Magenta was not our original colour ...

 

[Ray Nolan]

Geezus.. talk about just throwing up any old completely unprovable claim and discussing it like it pretty much wouldve been a certainty.

There some real koolaid drinking involved there...

Not sure how stating a hypothetical opinion is stating that anything would have been a certainty, but there you go ...

 

[Roby]

I guess the VFL can be classified as a "Super League" as eight clubs broke away from the existing VFA to form a new competition in 1897.


Sydney is not plastic and manufactured artificially, they are the same club that entered the competition in its 1897 as South Melbourne.


Many, many changes have occurred between 1897 and 2021 however it is the same contiguous competition. Some of the clubs including Carlton and Collingwood have participated in every single season to date. Some clubs had to sit out a few seasons during WWI. Two clubs have exited the competition (University and Fitzroy). Some newer clubs have joined from other states recently, but there was no formation of a "breakaway league" from the VFL because it is still the same competition. All that happened was a name change to AFL in 1990.


Nobody forced Port Adelaide to join the league, they could have remained in the SANFL wearing the same colours, as Glenelg, Norwood and the other SANFL teams have. The AFL can determine what each of its clubs wears and it made the agreement upon joining the league that Port would wear teal, black and white and be known as the Port Adelaide Power, as its Magpies nickname and black and white colours were already in use by an existing AFL club.

Sydney is plastic. It required artificial assistance to create its fan base. South MELBOURNE is not Sydney.

If the Hawks moved to Sydney I'd stop watching afl altogether.

You can say it's continuous all you like but the VFL of before is now a super league with artificial clubs and rules.

Nobody forced the VFL to go national, yet he we are complaining about interstate clubs all the time. You don't see the hypocrisy? You are lost in your bias.

 

[Roby]

So it seems today the conversation has been shifted by some power supporters to the 1990 bid and how this bid somehow involved allowing port adelaide to wear their Sanfl PB guernsey in the AFL if granted a license..

So, theyve gone from focusing on the heritage round agreement (because that allowed the PB’s to be worn) to arguing on the basis of an obscure 1990 arrangement.. that never even eventuated because they were not granted a license in the end.. thus its irrelevant.

When are they simply going to focus on the real agreement.. the one they signed up to, and recieved a license into the AFL agreeing to, just prior to their first year in the AFL in 97?..

At the end of the day... This is the only agreement that matters... discussing anything else is pointless.. it says the power cant wear the PB’s, collingwood dont want changes made to it and the AFL is sticking to it..

It's not just Port supporters that see this as wrong.

You see what you want to see, you're obviously obscured by your bias.

 

[Billys Back]

Not sure how stating a hypothetical opinion is stating that anything would have been a certainty, but there you go ...

Black and white wasn’t

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Agreed - they signed it so they should honor it, or lobby for a new Agreement, having a sook because you don't want to do something you signed up for its pretty off stuff........

This is lobbying for a new agreement!

 

[Bearded Clam]

It's not just Port supporters that see this as wrong.

You see what you want to see, you're obviously obscured by your bias.

Well maybe your biased against collingwood.. see, two can play that game.
But..
Bias, opinion being right or wrong blah, blah, blah.. all means nothing when there is a long standing agreement between port and the afl (and Collingwood) that states that port would never wear the PB’s... now nearly 25 years after that agreement port want to back out of it, collingwood want to stick to the agreeement and the AFL have said it will continue to stand.

If the original port adelaide sanfl colours were brown and yellow, the PB’s guernsey was brown and yellow and the agreement port made when the first entered the AFL was that they would change their colours to brown, yellow, teal and silver so as not to be very similar to the hawthorn guernsey and colours..

and they specifically agreed they wouldnt wear the brown and yellow vertical pb stripes guernsey..

then nearly 25 years later port started asking to wear it..

Jeff Kennett would be on TV going crazy over it.. his big angry head would nearly explode. you could comfortably bet your entire life savings on that.. and he’d have every right to.

 

[Roby]

Well maybe your biased against collingwood.. see, two can play that game.
But..
Bias, opinion being right or wrong blah, blah, blah.. all means nothing when there is a long standing agreement between port and the afl (and Collingwood) that states that port would never wear the PB’s... now nearly 25 years after that agreement port want to back out of it, collingwood want to stick to the agreeement and the AFL have said it will continue to stand.

If the original port adelaide sanfl colours were brown and yellow, the PB’s guernsey was brown and yellow and the agreement port made when the first entered the AFL was that they would change their colours to brown, yellow, teal and silver so as not to be very similar to the hawthorn guernsey and colours..

and they specifically agreed they wouldnt wear the brown and yellow vertical pb stripes guernsey..

then nearly 25 years later port started asking to wear it..

Jeff Kennett would be on TV going crazy over it.. his big angry head would nearly explode. you could comfortably bet your entire life savings on that.. and he’d have every right to.

I wouldn't care if they wore brown and yellow if they were THEIR colours. There goes your whole argument.

 

[longdonkey]

Well maybe your biased against collingwood.. see, two can play that game.
But..
Bias, opinion being right or wrong blah, blah, blah.. all means nothing when there is a long standing agreement between port and the afl (and Collingwood) that states that port would never wear the PB’s... now nearly 25 years after that agreement port want to back out of it, collingwood want to stick to the agreeement and the AFL have said it will continue to stand.

If the original port adelaide sanfl colours were brown and yellow, the PB’s guernsey was brown and yellow and the agreement port made when the first entered the AFL was that they would change their colours to brown, yellow, teal and silver so as not to be very similar to the hawthorn guernsey and colours..

and they specifically agreed they wouldnt wear the brown and yellow vertical pb stripes guernsey..

then nearly 25 years later port started asking to wear it..

Jeff Kennett would be on TV going crazy over it.. his big angry head would nearly explode. you could comfortably bet your entire life savings on that.. and he’d have every right to.

The CLAM is a great one for saying that the agreement for Port to never wear the bars is set in stone and exists with no evidence at all but when a Port supporter starts talking about agreements then the agreement never happened and "could you produce that agreement for us to see".

No consistency whatsoever and you out yourself as a Port hating troll just for the amount you've had to say on the subject. Anyone who is not a Port or a Collingwood supporter on this thread is 95% likely to be here to troll Port supporters.

 

[Billys Back]

It's not that widely available but it can be had by making a phone order with The Port Store at Alberton who still had copies last time I was there a few weeks back.

That should cut the club’s debt down to $12,999,990.