Draft Expert PMBangers 2024 Draft Thread and psuedo general draft discussion apparently

[Addy23]

I'm probably taking JHF, Sheeze, McKercher and Walter at Pick 1, but Duurs and Watson wouldn't be far away from Pick 1 either

A bit of both at this stage, but depth of the draft isn't really determined until the Champs of that year either, I'd just say right now there's not a lot of talent that's making people think 'wow'

Correct me if I'm wrong mate but this time last year people weren't exactly licking their lips over the 2024 crops. I've learnt that 12 months is a long time in the context of the draft for things to change. What won't change is the F/S and NGA prospects but certainly think there's some good quality next year too

 

[PMBangers]

Correct me if I'm wrong mate but this time last year people weren't exactly licking their lips over the 2024 crops. I've learnt that 12 months is a long time in the context of the draft for things to change. What won't change is the F/S and NGA prospects but certainly think there's some good quality next year too

By this time last year I think we were well and truly on board with 2024, I know i was at least, particularly after the U17s GF day game

 

[Addy23]

By this time last year I think we were well and truly on board with 2024, I know i was at least, particularly after the U17s GF day game

I remember that the top echelon was something that was talked about but can't remember much talk about how deep the talent was. It's certainly grown during this year.

 

[GWS Goose]

A lot can happen very quickly with future draft classes.
Some guys completely off the radar come along, some with big potential just don't develop
The other thing is, with the benefit of hindsight 4 or 5 years after the draft we look back with a very different view.

 

[PMBangers]

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I probably could've done a top 50 in revision, most years I haven't done this because I've struggled to think of 50 players I'd genuinely be happy to say 'I think he should get drafted', but such is the depth this year I just couldn't really find a rankings order I was happy with, and there were enough prospects that people were missing out.

 

[adonski]

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I probably could've done a top 50 in revision, most years I haven't done this because I've struggled to think of 50 players I'd genuinely be happy to say 'I think he should get drafted', but such is the depth this year I just couldn't really find a rankings order I was happy with, and there were enough prospects that people were missing out.

2 out of 30 aint bad

 

[noobermensch]

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I probably could've done a top 50 in revision, most years I haven't done this because I've struggled to think of 50 players I'd genuinely be happy to say 'I think he should get drafted', but such is the depth this year I just couldn't really find a rankings order I was happy with, and there were enough prospects that people were missing out.

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[Snuffaluphagus]

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I probably could've done a top 50 in revision, most years I haven't done this because I've struggled to think of 50 players I'd genuinely be happy to say 'I think he should get drafted', but such is the depth this year I just couldn't really find a rankings order I was happy with, and there were enough prospects that people were missing out.

Sorry, you've probably done this a 100 times already but what's dropping Langford down?

 

[Mofra]

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I probably could've done a top 50 in revision, most years I haven't done this because I've struggled to think of 50 players I'd genuinely be happy to say 'I think he should get drafted', but such is the depth this year I just couldn't really find a rankings order I was happy with, and there were enough prospects that people were missing out.

Brave (Langford!) but much appreciated.
Tauru seems set to shape the top 10 this year

 

[THE_GUN]

Langford & Armstrong

 

[PMBangers]

Sorry, you've probably dont this a 100 times already but what's dropping Langford down?

Athletically underwhelming compared to other midfielders above him and I lean more towards his disposal being stock standard rather than a weapon like some people see. Arguably the hardest one to place because he does tick a lot of boxes for me elsewhere with his contested game, defensive drive and aerial work, just still struggling to see the transition into a rover role at the next level where the size is less of a factor, but speed is more of a factor.

I do still think his ceiling is a Cripps like player as a strong first possession winner

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Hey PM.

Will you guys do a live stream of the AFLM draft?

 

[the big lebowski]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion

Except PM Bangers with regard to Langford

 

[go_the_dockers]

PMBangers - how important is the 2km at the AFL combine in your eyes?

Will Hannaford's time (7:26 time over 2km) cause him to slide down the ranks on draft day?

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Bangers - where would you rate Harry Armstrong against last years talls? The top 20 of 2023 obviously had a lot more taken than will be this year. Do Armstrong and Shanahan sit in the same calibre?

 

[King Patty]

What sort of quality will still be about around pick 40.
It sounds like most of the guys mentioned will be gone before then , there seems to be a really solid top 30.

This is supposed to be a deep draft in depth, but say is pick 40 this year similar to say pick 30 last year?
when does the main talent drop off?

There will obviously be sliders too, any chance could slide to 40.

will any clubs want to trade out of the draft into next year on draft night?

 

[Mutineer]

Athletically underwhelming compared to other midfielders above him and I lean more towards his disposal being stock standard rather than a weapon like some people see. Arguably the hardest one to place because he does tick a lot of boxes for me elsewhere with his contested game, defensive drive and aerial work, just still struggling to see the transition into a rover role at the next level where the size is less of a factor, but speed is more of a factor.

I do still think his ceiling is a Cripps like player as a strong first possession winner

I'm with you on Langford, not popular with several on our board especially Jeffcrowe, maybe not as low as you though and like you I rate Bo Allan a lot higher than most, even higher than you have him. I see him as athletically superior to Langford and a lot more upside.

 

[PMBangers]

PMBangers - how important is the 2km at the AFL combine in your eyes?

Will Hannaford's time (7:26 time over 2km) cause him to slide down the ranks on draft day?

I've always used to combine to put context to my onfueld observations personally, but clubs will vary on how much weight they put into the results. To me, that 2km result doesn't affect where I'd take Hannaford because I know he's more of burst player currently, and I know if I was taking him that fitness is an area of improvement.

Bangers - where would you rate Harry Armstrong against last years talls? The top 20 of 2023 obviously had a lot more taken than will be this year. Do Armstrong and Shanahan sit in the same calibre?

They'd both sit around Connor O'Sullivan range imo, I'm not taking either before Walter, Read or Curtin, but I'm definitely taking them over McCabe and Goad

 

[Mutineer]

I've always used to combine to put context to my onfueld observations personally, but clubs will vary on how much weight they put into the results. To me, that 2km result doesn't affect where I'd take Hannaford because I know he's more of burst player currently, and I know if I was taking him that fitness is an area of improvement.

They'd both sit around Connor O'Sullivan range imo, I'm not taking either before Walter, Read or Curtin, but I'm definitely taking them over McCabe and Goad

I've watched a hell of a lot Ollie Hannaford at the Rebels and can honestly say I've never seen him "tongueing" it or incapable of 2nd and 3rd efforts in games, exactly the opposite actually, he's a terrier whether playing forward, defence or on ball.

 

[Morro]

Athletically underwhelming compared to other midfielders above him and I lean more towards his disposal being stock standard rather than a weapon like some people see. Arguably the hardest one to place because he does tick a lot of boxes for me elsewhere with his contested game, defensive drive and aerial work, just still struggling to see the transition into a rover role at the next level where the size is less of a factor, but speed is more of a factor.

I do still think his ceiling is a Cripps like player as a strong first possession winner

If he doesnt make it as a pure mid at AFL level, I could see him in a Hodge type role across HB. Thoughts on that mate?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'm with you on Langford, not popular with several on our board especially Jeffcrowe, maybe not as low as you though and like you I rate Bo Allan a lot higher than most, even higher than you have him. I see him as athletically superior to Langford and a lot more upside.

I think Langfords lack of athleticism is overplayed

Just watch him play and see how many times he actually gets from the inside to outside and links up , run and carry and metres gained

Now get him into a program where a Darren Burgess is looking after him and he could be a bit of a weapon athletically with his size and ability to work end to end

Bit of high end training on his power and he could be a real beast

The hard bit is the football bit and he’s got that in spades , I’ve got him ranked 6th but an bullish on his career

 

[Mutineer]

I think Langfords lack of athleticism is overplayed

Just watch him play and see how many times he actually gets from the inside to outside and links up , run and carry and metres gained

Now get him into a program where a Darren Burgess is looking after him and he could be a bit of a weapon athletically with his size and ability to work end to end

Bit of high end training on his power and he could be a real beast

The hard bit is the football bit and he’s got that in spades , I’ve got him ranked 6th but an bullish on his career

And I think his kicking is overplayed, certainly very penetrating but more a metres gained bomb than a precise delivery...the Dawson comparison on our board is way over the top in that regard.

 

[The_General#1]

Athletically underwhelming compared to other midfielders above him and I lean more towards his disposal being stock standard rather than a weapon like some people see. Arguably the hardest one to place because he does tick a lot of boxes for me elsewhere with his contested game, defensive drive and aerial work, just still struggling to see the transition into a rover role at the next level where the size is less of a factor, but speed is more of a factor.

I do still think his ceiling is a Cripps like player as a strong first possession winner

I think we all agree Langford isn’t an athletic weapon. But neither is Smillie. I can see Smillie sliding out of the top 10. PM do u have a comparison chart of Langford v Smillie?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

And I think his kicking is overplayed, certainly very penetrating but more a metres gained bomb than a precise delivery...the Dawson comparison on our board is way over the top in that regard.

It’s not anywhere near as precise as Dawson but it will be very good in a full time program

I really like his improvement curve and reckon it will benefit greatly from full time environment

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think we all agree Langford isn’t an athletic weapon. But neither is Smillie. I can see Smillie sliding out of the top 10. PM do u have a comparison chart of Langford v Smillie?

There’s a great example

Smillie doesn’t get to the outside and link up run/ carry near as much as Langford

Langford would be the drafts highest metres gained midfielder , I reckon that counts for something