They were runners up in Under 14s and Under 17s grand finals before winning back to back Under 17 flags.
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They were runners up in Under 14s and Under 17s grand finals before winning back to back Under 17 flags.
in2restedonlooker
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Yeh I thought they had a very good era then. It's good to see so many still there maybe some kids from down here over the hill could have alook and realise thats what footy clubs are all about not being paid. What happens to the top age kids at silvan if they have a very strong side again next year do they go back to junction or play 2's??????? It doesn't make sense to me
l think all this talk on Silvan paying 18s is a whole lot of crap, we at Silvan give the boys a pair of boots, shorts & socks as we have for the past 6 years or so.
We have a very good coach who has worked hard to bring players with his son from down the mountain. Most of the players from other clubs in the valley have come to us through mates, Silvan hasnt been out there chasing these kids with loads of cash.
Most of the side this year played at Silvan last year.
l think people like to knock Silvan but really they should be working towards making there own club better.
lt wasnt that long ago that Silvan was struggling in 2nd division.
Cheers.
We have a very good coach who has worked hard to bring players with his son from down the mountain. Most of the players from other clubs in the valley have come to us through mates, Silvan hasnt been out there chasing these kids with loads of cash.
Most of the side this year played at Silvan last year.
l think people like to knock Silvan but really they should be working towards making there own club better.
lt wasnt that long ago that Silvan was struggling in 2nd division.
Cheers.
Blue Tongue
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Poached - be interested to know your definition on that one? Does going and choosing to play with your mates from school who happen to play for another club classify as being poached? Do Upwey consider the players they have got over the years from other clubs ie Belgrave & South Belgrave who choose to go play there as being poached players? If a club offers all new players, including those who came from their junior club, free socks & shorts is that paying a kid? Or if the club changes uniform, or leagues and their less financially successful players (ie apprentices, students) a uniform to assist in some of the costs of playing football is that poaching? What about offering discounted fees for these same less financially successful people - is that poaching? Does any other club have differnt fees for under 18's, students and apprentices as oppossed to the rest of the playing group (I think they call this concession rates)
What about having people involved at interleague or Eastern Ranges level and telling kids to leave their current club (where they are happy & are playing with mates), as they are only a 2nd divi club, or not well run and the standard is no good for them to make it in the big world of AFL - is that poaching? Maybe insider trading? Should we get in the legal teams & claim that any profits a club, that isn't 100% full of home grown tallent, made in a year where they had players from other clubs in the side should be reimbursed to the club the player left? Plus interest. I reckon some of the struggling clubs would be gold mines now!
And I doubt the 2 clubs your referred - Belgrave & South Belgrave - have gone and poached (as in are paying them to play) these players - its all swings and round abouts. Kids are kids, and more often than not play with mates - where ever that maybe!
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The fact of the matter is EFL are taking our good kids and paying them-we lost two of our top age Under 16's to Micham who as well as supplying free gear are paying them $50.00 per game.As for South Belgrave and Belgrave this is what we were told by the Monbulk Unders coach when he rang to inform us that they were pulling out of the competition this year.As far as membership fees we always have and always will offer Concessions to our non working Juniors as opposed to our players who are employed nothing wrong with this.
Blue Tongue
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And the YVMDFL will probably continue to loose juniors to the EFL - particulary the bigger clubs. Its a fact of life - maybe its the parents 'suggesting' they go there. Maybe its cos they can do a bit of shopping on the way home on a Saturday afternoon cos they play in the 'burbs
South Belgrave had the captain from last years under 16's, who was a league B & F choose to play under 18's at East Ringwood this year. Still lives in the area, obviously has to travel to East Ringwood to train, yet chose that as its a better standard of football - and South Belgrave are in the EFL now anyway.
in2restedonlooker
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I have to agree upwey fan. I can't see the sense in it. Even if you wanted to stand out to try and get into eastern or wherever ther have been plenty of good players come out of the Yarra Valley. To me leaving divvy 1 yvmdfl and going to division 3 efl isn't an overly positive move in my opinion. And I haven't heard of any players getting pressured to leave their home club by tac cup sides I think this is the last thing they want to do as they are settled and happy at their home clubs and a change at that stage could do more harm than good. I'm sure selectors would like to see young guys playing 1s in divvy 1 yvmdfl than 18s in divv 3 efl.
Belgrave has not charged it's under 18's kids a membership fee for quite a few years now, and we supply all senior players with there jumpers. The only thing our players pay for are boots, socks and shorts (there are senior membership fees).
As far as the players that came to us from Monbulk go, some of them had played junior footy there and were looking to go back, but once they didn't have the numbers to field a side they returned to where they played LAST YEAR and brought a couple of mates.
As far as the players that came to us from Monbulk go, some of them had played junior footy there and were looking to go back, but once they didn't have the numbers to field a side they returned to where they played LAST YEAR and brought a couple of mates.
Yes it's true, Silvan pays every player $200 a game in the under 18's which amounts to $4k a week and $80k a year! What nonsense, no player receives payment, the club distributes shorts, socks, free membership and a rebate on the purchase of footy boots. While it may come at a cost to the club it has seen us develop the following 2007 premiership players all under 21, Dean Carswell, Adam Dale, Kit Dale, Sam Coen, Chris Webb, Andrew Preston, Jake Straughair. Thats a third of the side all still at the club and all home grown from our 18's. Gee our system just doesn't seem to be working.
in2restedonlooker
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I would have thought that 7 is not a great number. I f you have a look at thornton I believe there were 16-17 who played in premiership had come through thirds. On this years list there are 40 out of about 55 players in the record who have come through the thirds and 10 of the current under 18's have played senior football now that's a good system
Ha ha whoopy doo 7 home grown players congratulations to Silvan. By the way Sam Coen got dropped for the Grand Final after every game in the side during the season
auskickrules
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I really don't think Silvan has been helped by the statement of 7 homegrown players in the seniors!
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Oh Cat Lover you really did just dig a hole for yourself didnt you? It would be fair to say that all other clubs in the YVMDFL would work on the ratio of 75% locals on there entire list. You are are happy with 33% in your seniors so clearly your system doesnt work. Please dont use the excuse that you need to poach juniors from other clubs because while you may survive while the moneys there the local clubs you steal them fom may not.
Incidentally, since Silvan does not field sides in the DRJFL, does that make 100% of their U/18's poached?
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Not necessarily if they have ties or links to the club. Poaching is for example when your own team has a bye so you go down the road to watch lets say Seville. After the game you then approach juniors of that club offering money while enjoying the hospitality of there club. Thats poaching!!
75 % of your total list would be a bare minimum - especially with the PPS in, the clubs with the strongest junior system will become the powerhouse clubs (with proper mgt) within the next 5+ years. This is where Silvan are a bit worried about their junior base.
FWIW country footy is 10 fold the experience of most metro comps, have played country Vic and NSW, Melbo and Canberra - as a player there is not greater feeling than playing country footy - especially in front of a big country crowd. The social side is fantastic especially with the functions - god bless netballers!! If I was a junior with a good YVMDFL club I would be sticking around for as long as I could, as long as your enjoying the club and your footy - if you are any good, you will get noticed.
I watched Upwey on the weekend and ANZAC day earlier in the year, and even as a spectator it is a very enjoyable atmosphere which is why I am considering playing up there next season - I really miss the country footy and I am sure that a lot of people would agree.
You seem to know alot about poaching NOCHANCE! Well rather than make rash statements accusing our club, name an under 18 player who has been poached by our club. Also, my post highlighted players under 21 who came through our under 18's, not LOCALS! Exactly what does constitute a local player? How many years does a player need to play at a club before he is seen as a local? I think i have worked out who NOCHANCE is and if it is Humper, maybe you should grow some of those things most blokes have downstairs and rather than be the big 2nd's hero step up and do something for your club when it struggles and play in the 1's. And with that said, and if it is you, please dont throw stones in glasshouses.
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This thread is probably getting a bit boring by now with the Silvan bashing. Get over it guys. How many would show Webby the door if he fronted up??!
However, as a Monbulk boy, I have watched the debate on the Unders with some interest. Our kids weren't 'poached' in the usual sense; we lost them for a number of reasons and that will make it hard to rebuild. The club is already making plans to ensure we keep our kids in future. We just took our eye off the ball for a minute in a pond full of piranhas.
Many clubs actually pay their u18's in 'kind' - with gear, free membership, awards, etc and have done for years. They feel they have to. Now, so does Monbulk! It is starting to look like we are buying our own babies from each other! If we have to do the same as other clubs, so be it. The EFL has always lured our kids away with the promise of 'better' football and match payments. I had to fight off three of them to keep my own boy at Moores Rd when he was 16. There's no rocket science needed in turning a teenage kid's head. Question? What do EFL clubs do with their own kids when they are shunted out by the imports?
It would be good if Football Victoria had a policy to protect local clubs from this poaching, but like the top div EFL clubs, they are more concerned with the elite.
We're all on our own.
However, as a Monbulk boy, I have watched the debate on the Unders with some interest. Our kids weren't 'poached' in the usual sense; we lost them for a number of reasons and that will make it hard to rebuild. The club is already making plans to ensure we keep our kids in future. We just took our eye off the ball for a minute in a pond full of piranhas.
Many clubs actually pay their u18's in 'kind' - with gear, free membership, awards, etc and have done for years. They feel they have to. Now, so does Monbulk! It is starting to look like we are buying our own babies from each other! If we have to do the same as other clubs, so be it. The EFL has always lured our kids away with the promise of 'better' football and match payments. I had to fight off three of them to keep my own boy at Moores Rd when he was 16. There's no rocket science needed in turning a teenage kid's head. Question? What do EFL clubs do with their own kids when they are shunted out by the imports?
It would be good if Football Victoria had a policy to protect local clubs from this poaching, but like the top div EFL clubs, they are more concerned with the elite.
We're all on our own.
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Nice personal work there Catlover I will pass on your thoughts to Humper next time I see him or maybe you can do it yourself in the next time you play them. Im sure he will look forward to chatting with you.
