Prediction Our next coach

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Weird note in Rear Window today (AFR gossip section) that John Longmire is tipped to replace Voss if Carlton's season keeps going badly.

(Article about new Carlton President Rob Priestley watching the season opener from Richmond's elite member and sponsor events function at the MCG.)
 
I believe its up to the club to show some strength, if we lose the derby , i would like the them to sack JL put in care taker coach then spend the rest of the year analyser the clubs performance and select the best coach available. The club needs to show that these results are not acceptable.
I firmly believe that this preseason the players have been overtrained and a suffering from tired legs, how long it last i dont know but they spent the last training session pre season out sailing, playful exercise or were was the club aware, since then training has been very light but players still have heavy game loads, i find it amusing that our best players are ones who have had altered pre seasons food for thought, tired legs affects skill execution ability to run and also decision making.
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Andy Brennan said:
We were meant to have 2 flags by 2025
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2 flags by 2025? That meant 1 men's flag and one ladies flag.

We actually aimed for 4 top 4 finishes including a flag at the end of 2021. If it was just the men's side that was nearly impossible.

Had it been 2 preliminary finals each for the men and ladies then yeah it was possible
 

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Docker82 said:
Agree. My greatest concern is it's already too late.

If a new coach gets Pearce, Ryan and even JOM playing their best footy in 2026 I think they can be part of a push for a flag. But we've probably only got 2-3 more years at best from those players. JOM could be as soon as next year and even though he'd be much easier to replace in theory having him playing career best footy in his early thirties would be a massive win - for that reason I don't want right him off completely as retiring next year yet.

Needing to replace Pearce mid premiership window could a disaster. On paper it looks like the players to replace Ryan are there but you really don't know until you see it.
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I think that's OTT. I agree both AP and Ryan could be difficult to fill, but not impossible. JoM's contribution so far is average at best. He's not a big hole.

I think it's good we have so many KPP prospects on the list. At least we've recognised we'll need a new AP soon.
freo1 said:
all this talk about the next coach, it equally means who is the next CEO - no way Garlick can stay on if JL goes. Garlic is equally accountable for the arrogant prediction that we will have a flag by 2025. I do like the arrogance of aiming high like he did, but the flip side of the lack of achieving this goal is that he has to go. Live by the sword, die by it too.

We could have some big holes to fill by the end of the year.

Either that or from this weekend we go on a rampaging assault, win everything, hold up the cup this year and live happily ever after - and pretend none of us ever commented on this thread :)
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I don't agree with this. I'd want him sacked for not sacking JL if we miss finals. If he has the stones to follow through I think it's a non-issue. The club is in great shape off-field it seems.
 
wakojako said:
People saying they want the coach sacked during the year. Are there genuinely any benefits to having a caretaker coach for the majority of the season? In an ideal world if the board agrees to move on JLO, they would conduct the review process during the season and hire the actual coach so that they can start implanting changes and building synergy.
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Tbh a caretaker coach might try a few players in different roles and/or use depth players that seem to blacklisted by the club currently. It might mean players like Aish and Erasmus actually stay on our list next. It's tracking towards a delisting (Aish) and trade away for **** all (Erasmus) at this stage tbh.

Doesn't help much for the coaching situation next year but might mean the new coach has a better list to work with next season IMO.
 
Docker82 said:
Tbh a caretaker coach might try a few players in different roles and/or use depth players that seem to blacklisted by the club currently. It might mean players like Aish and Erasmus actually stay on our list next. It's tracking towards a delisting (Aish) and trade away for **** all (Erasmus) at this stage tbh.

Doesn't help much for the coaching situation next year but might mean the new coach has a better list to work with next season IMO.
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Again.... The care taker coach will be available when do finals is mathematically out of the equation.

So a caretaker coach rocks up with 5 or 6 games left in the season.

Players will get rotated heavily
 
freo1 said:
all this talk about the next coach, it equally means who is the next CEO - no way Garlick can stay on if JL goes. Garlic is equally accountable for the arrogant prediction that we will have a flag by 2025. I do like the arrogance of aiming high like he did, but the flip side of the lack of achieving this goal is that he has to go. Live by the sword, die by it too.

We could have some big holes to fill by the end of the year.

Either that or from this weekend we go on a rampaging assault, win everything, hold up the cup this year and live happily ever after - and pretend none of us ever commented on this thread :)
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I dunno, it's a bit of a tricky one. I think he could have only made the call at the end of 23 at the absolute earliest and he had only just removed Bell from the equation.

If it's true that its been a big boys club balls up to get JLo in the first Place, Garlick would have been in a tough spot. Especially with Alcock still here, one of the driving forces behind the sacking of Ross and the hiring of JLo.

Rosich disagreed with the decision. So being on board with JLo as senior coach was probably part of the new CEOs job description.
 
Wigarus said:
I don't buy this for a second.

If he weren't an ex-Freo player he wouldn't have even had a look in. He's a terrible communicator and media performer. Terrible. Mark Harvey was better.

His assistant coaching record is hardly impressive, with a grand final loss in 2015 being the highest achievement. West Coast and Collingwood both won flags after he left.

West Coast picked a new coach last year and they looked at assistant coaches that had been part of a premiership win. Who did JLo beat out for the position? Did the Dockers even interview an assistant that was part of a premiership team?

If the Dockers picked JLo to be the senior coach before they even sacked Ross and the search process was just a charade to make it plausible then it makes perfect sense. If the Dockers were looking for the coach to give them the best chance at a flag, they made some of the dumbest decisions possible.

In my opinion, we should all be hoping that JLo was preordained because the alternative doesn't fill me with any confidence whatsoever about the next coach search.
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Wasn’t the rumor something about half the selection panel skipping the Suma interview?

The selection process was a charade.
 
wakojako said:
People saying they want the coach sacked during the year. Are there genuinely any benefits to having a caretaker coach for the majority of the season? In an ideal world if the board agrees to move on JLO, they would conduct the review process during the season and hire the actual coach so that they can start implanting changes and building synergy.
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Yes. Without doubt. Fix it, and fix it early doors.

But I suppose everything is a bit up in the air, and the club feels like it finds itself caught between a rock and a hard place, now that J-Lo & his team is floundering a bit early season. We have Brisbane as thee most recent evidence that you can have a really poor start to a season, still finish outside the top 4 AND win a flag; but for the Dockers repeating a similar feat just doesn't feel realistic. Not to me anyway, ANYTHING can happen and turn around, but it would have to be the miracle of all miracles for a flag out of this current rabble. I don't feel it.

The problems to my eyes are a multitude of combinations; a conservative coach, regimented in his way to the point of almost extreme tunnel-vision and with a questionable "gameplan" obsessed with fast handball chains that other teams seem capable of telegraphing or turning over with enough pressure and then fast transition to score against us; players without the necessary skillset to apply the method (maybe even an overrated list?), or second guessing themselves; a club reticent to pull the trigger (either now or before this season..) and get a 'different' philosophical type coach in, one that can implement maybe a more modern style. And on, and on it goes.

Of course, it's easy to sit in my ivory tower, with my comfortable coffees and chocolate eclairs and criticize. Especially based off hyperbolic emotion, although weirdly I feel less engaged or concerned this year round, maybe because failure feels familiar (??). I'm not privy to what goes on in the 4 walls, what conversations are being held and how the 'hierarchy' feels about what's happening. Of course they won't be panicking, after all it's literally only 2 games - but I think the fans are so jaded because this is an overlap of previous seasons and failures, and this club has promised SOOOOOOOOOO much. It's looking like it might not be able to deliver. It's okay to talk the talk, but you have to walk the walk.

And one last thing, you need some serious luck in this game. Old Rossy boy himself will tell you with THAT infamous bounce - so not having Walters available when I'd argue he'd had the better-looking pre-season form in 3 odd years and is re-injured on the eve of it, not having Young; but especially not having Darcy when he's in the best shape of his life. these things matter, they contribute. You need your best players out there, especially in the heat of battle, standing up and taking charge. Those 3 might not make ALL the difference; but without them it certainly becomes even more detrimental.

It's just that the best clubs rise above these challenges and find a way. I'm not sure this is one of those clubs, sadly
 
Freomaniac said:
Again.... The care taker coach will be available when do finals is mathematically out of the equation.

So a caretaker coach rocks up with 5 or 6 games left in the season.

Players will get rotated heavily
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Sure, but I would prefer to implement a change early in the season when the players might still have their energy/belief/ambitions up and play hard, rather than mailing it in for a handful of token games at the end of the year.

I seriously doubt Graham is anything special and want to clean house with our coaches. However, I would like to see as much evidence as possible to back that up. What if I am wrong and he is a coaching genius? What if he took over at 0-3 and we played attacking football and he took us to 14-9 and 5th/6th or something like that. Might be highly unlikely, but not impossible. Whereas I think it would be impossible with JL.

We know what we are getting from JL ... a dour and defensive gameplan that is a dud. The longer we get to see something different, the better.

Club also has to think about crowds, sponsors and revenue. Not sure how all of this would impact that, but people want to be entertained.

I wouldn't cut JL loose completely either. I'd keep him in some kind of player development role to maintain the relationships he has built. That seems to be his strong point, not his coaching ability. The club has thought outside the box with his employment terms, and I suspect that might be the reason. Just bring things forward and modify his current contract that expires 31 October 2025.
 
The Emporer said:
I believe its up to the club to show some strength, if we lose the derby , i would like the them to sack JL put in care taker coach then spend the rest of the year analyser the clubs performance and select the best coach available. The club needs to show that these results are not acceptable.
I firmly believe that this preseason the players have been overtrained and a suffering from tired legs, how long it last i dont know but they spent the last training session pre season out sailing, playful exercise or were was the club aware, since then training has been very light but players still have heavy game loads, i find it amusing that our best players are ones who have had altered pre seasons food for thought, tired legs affects skill execution ability to run and also decision making.
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We went sailing? Wtf.

This reminds of St Kilda a few years back going to the movies instead of training.

Totally wrong mindset.
 
88mph said:
We went sailing? Wtf.

This reminds of St Kilda a few years back going to the movies instead of training.

Totally wrong mindset.
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Competitive spirit rises at sailing day

Fremantle players, coaches and football staff took part in a team sailing day on Friday
www.fremantlefc.com.au



I think this was surely a recreational thing though. The team's allowed some bonding exercises no? As long as it's not that infamous Adelaide Camp!!! Can't remember its name, good grief.
 
Alfonz said:
I wouldn't cut JL loose completely either. I'd keep him in some kind of player development role to maintain the relationships he has built. That seems to be his strong point, not his coaching ability. The club has thought outside the box with his employment terms, and I suspect that might be the reason. Just bring things forward and modify his current contract that expires 31 October 2025.
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No, it needs to be a clean break. He’s responsible for this failure, he’s gotta be let go fully and someone else given clear air to take over. Don’t keep the ex around.

I’m sure he could be a decent assistant coach for another club.
 

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The Emporer said:
I believe its up to the club to show some strength, if we lose the derby , i would like the them to sack JL put in care taker coach then spend the rest of the year analyser the clubs performance and select the best coach available. The club needs to show that these results are not acceptable.
I firmly believe that this preseason the players have been overtrained and a suffering from tired legs, how long it last i dont know but they spent the last training session pre season out sailing, playful exercise or were was the club aware, since then training has been very light but players still have heavy game loads, i find it amusing that our best players are ones who have had altered pre seasons food for thought, tired legs affects skill execution ability to run and also decision making.
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It doesn't seem right to sack a coach 3 or 4 games into the season.

I still think Freo will get 2 or 3 wins by halfway into the season. Glad we still have our 2025 1st round pick
 
Alfonz said:
Sure, but I would prefer to implement a change early in the season when the players might still have their energy/belief/ambitions up and play hard, rather than mailing it in for a handful of token games at the end of the year.

I seriously doubt Graham is anything special and want to clean house with our coaches. However, I would like to see as much evidence as possible to back that up. What if I am wrong and he is a coaching genius? What if he took over at 0-3 and we played attacking football and he took us to 14-9 and 5th/6th or something like that. Might be highly unlikely, but not impossible. Whereas I think it would be impossible with JL.

We know what we are getting from JL ... a dour and defensive gameplan that is a dud. The longer we get to see something different, the better.

Club also has to think about crowds, sponsors and revenue. Not sure how all of this would impact that, but people want to be entertained.

I wouldn't cut JL loose completely either. I'd keep him in some kind of player development role to maintain the relationships he has built. That seems to be his strong point, not his coaching ability. The club has thought outside the box with his employment terms, and I suspect that might be the reason. Just bring things forward and modify his current contract that expires 31 October 2025.
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I posted this before.... Funny thing was that in Ross Lyons last season as dockers coach, memberships and crowds dropped a fair bit too.

We still got 43,000 at the game vs swans. Imagine if it drops to below 30,000? That's a 13,000 drop.

I can justify playing dour footy if we are playing finals like the Ross Lyon 2012-15 era.
 
we'll still get wins due to the talent of the list. But the problem is still that the top teams have worked out the game plan and know how to easily nulify it. And it is too stifling on the natural skills and talents and brainpower of our players. So, it can not survive finals making it a pointless exercise to continue without change.
 
Purple_Turtle said:
Weird note in Rear Window today (AFR gossip section) that John Longmire is tipped to replace Voss if Carlton's season keeps going badly.

(Article about new Carlton President Rob Priestley watching the season opener from Richmond's elite member and sponsor events function at the MCG.)
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Yuck, we need to move quickly if there is a chance Longmire will be poached by some else.
 
Nodgey said:
Norf sacked club legend Wayne Schimmelbusch after a massive loss in the pre-season and put Dennis Pagan in, and that seemed to work out ok. It's never too soon to make the right decision.
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We should do something different to the way it normally happens. **** this caretaker coach rubbish, sack him now and install our preferred option. We didn’t go through the selection process with Ross, we just grabbed him.

Ring who we want, make them an offer and get them in now before the season is wrecked completely.



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I was listening to Dave Mundy talk about us yesterday and he mentioned Luke Ryan in the same category as Pearce and Cox in terms of ball movement btw. Said you can’t expect those guys to move it the same way as players like Clark can.

If that’s how the club feels internally it probably shows why Ryan is so safe with the ball most of the time. It’s very disappointing if that’s the case but tbh there’s a good kick in Ryan when he tries to kick aggressively.

Mundy hasn’t been retired that long so I’m inclined to think that if he says something like this then it’s quite possible it is the clubs view as well.
 

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