List Mgmt. Official 2016 trade period discussion

[Maximus76]

My understanding of the situation was this:

• Deledio wanted Geelong
• Geelong said "ooh, um, not sure how we can do that. We'll look into it"
• Geelong went to Richmond and said "what about Deledio"
• Richmond said "we don't want to lose him, but it'll take a first rounder to get him"
• Geelong said "no"
• Geelong said "how about Mots (we'd need something back)"
• Richmond said "no"
• Geelong said "how about a second rounder"
• Richmond said "no"
• richmond said "how about Caddy"
• Geelong said "no"
  
• Geelong then went to Caddy and said "we want to keep you, but Richmond want you, but just to be clear, we want to keep you and we're only telling you this because we don't want to talk about you behind your back"
• Caddy said "meh, I'm easy"
• Geelong went back to Richmond and said "so, yeah, that second rounder"
• Richmond said "get stuffed, don't call again"
• Richmond called Caddy and said "more money and more midfield time?"
• Caddy said "...keep talking"
• Caddy went to Geelong and said "Richmond?"
• Geelong said "shit"
• Geelong said "ok then"

You had me up until:
Geelong said "ok then"

That's when we lost our balls. Didn't need to say ok, should have said "sit down little fella, you're not going anywhere, we are going for a cup."

 

[thegerman]

Sorry thegerman, I haven't forgotten I've just been busy. I'm particularly interested since the "in wells we bust" speak took off so I'll do a proper analysis on the weekend.

No probs, thanks for thinking about putting in the effort that I can't

But, I just think the chances of getting best 22 from draft goes down significantly over the years, and consequentially, lessens the later the pick also.

So I think the blend of picks and FA is a definite winner. Whether we are there I don't know.


But some analysis of this would be great.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Hope we don't have to deal with Carlton and Richmond for quiet some time.

 

[Moggy]

I don't agree with that sort of logic, as in you just don't know at all what's going on. you would have to actually know what is on his radar and his research to answer that, and I am confident you can't answer that and either can I with confidence. the draft has also never been a straight line success formula like you are staying, the higher the better the player.

The same player he has in mind for 24 he might have taken with 15. Recruiters opinions and ideas of players vary from club to club. He could be very keen on a single player with 24 ( example darcy Lang in first round who would have gone second round). I am certain 100% who he thinks will be available in his opinion with 24 would have been the biggest factor in accepting it.

Also lets be honest... Caddy is a solid good footballer at best, he isn't going to be the be end all to a premiership assault... Caddy is and won't be the difference between a flag or not a flag.

You seem to be saying that Wells cuts his coat according to the available cloth (e.g. pick 24) , Ok, but wouldn't he make a better coat with better cloth? Surely, 15 gives him more options than 24. If not, I would worry about his drafting as well as his trading

And, to argue further (it's that kind of morning ), the fact that Caddy wouldn't be the difference (I agree) isn't really the point, IMO. What I am upset over is that we left value on the table. It seems a pretty poor trade outcome for us.

 

[Pollywaffle]

Don't stress guys, Wellsy knows what to do with those 3 picks in the 20s-40s... He tends to go best available rather than reach on picks in that range. I back him to deliver there. I suspect he will go a KPF, KPD, and a midfielder.

Arguably, has a better track record with his later picks anyway...

 

[Moggy]

Arguably, has a better track record with his later picks anyway...

Just as well

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

And did he not kick the goal that put us in front in our last finals win as well?

Though he by no means played well in that game, but he could kick a big goal when required.

Yeah, I don't think he will be missed too much in the midfield, but for a side screaming out for forward options his ability to pop up with an important goal when required will be missed.

I'm less concerned with getting pick 24 than most here though - what does everyone think he should have been worth? Obviously he was contracted, so I don't think he should have been traded at all unless we got an offer that was significantly in our favour, but that aside I don't think 24 is far off.

 

[Pollywaffle]

I certainly don't think he was a superstar, and he was still inconsistent. But it's equally incorrect to start inferring he never played good footy for us. Because he did.

seemed to be shoehorned into the team on occasions. Too good to leave out but MC not sure where to put him...sad to see him go, but I understand his motives.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

You would have hoped that most of the prep work would have been done prior to trade week being commenced. That's what we are told in any case. And even if it was a unexpected that Motlop didn't carry any interest then you'd hope they had a plan B or a plan C or a plan D. Sounds like, similar to Scott's coaching, we only had that plan A.

This is another example of the dumb things being said around this board.
If you actually had any idea about modern footy (which even I do not have the slightest insight) you'd understand how ignorant that saying is...

 

[year of the cat]

This is another example of the dumb things being said around this board.
If you actually had any idea about modern footy (which even I do not have the slightest insight) you'd understand how ignorant that saying is...

Hard to argue against that.

 

[pussygalore]

Peoples thoughts of what will do on the 1st of November trade period?

Resign Lonergan
Delist Clark & Luxford
Look at Zac Clarke, Ricky Henderson, maybe Barlow & Towers?
Is there anyone else we would take a look at?
Lennon?

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Peoples thoughts of what will do on the 1st of November trade period?

Resign Lonergan
Delist Clark & Luxford
Look at Zac Clarke, Ricky Henderson, maybe Barlow & Towers?
Is there anyone else we would take a look at?
Lennon?

Yes Lonergan signs on and delist both Luxford and Clark. Although there has been no mention of Clark at all for months so who'd know either way. Don't think Lennon will be delisted, Clarke will sign at Freo. Henderson or Towers would be good or Xavier Richards.
More delistings will be announced soon would think Cats would only take 1 dfa

 

[pussygalore]

Yes Lonergan signs on and delist both Luxford and Clark. Although there has been no mention of Clark at all for months so who'd know either way. Don't think Lennon will be delisted, Clarke will sign at Freo. Henderson or Towers would be good or Xavier Richards.
More delistings will be announced soon would think Cats would only take 1 dfa

I think if we delist Luxford & Clark that we will look at 2 dfa as we currently have 9 spots available.

 

[Boxhead_31]

The thing that stands out for me, after most trade periods the club has an interview with Wellsy and he goes through why we did what we did.
But this year there was the bit by Mitch Broughton and nothing else

 

[year of the cat]

The thing that stands out for me, after most trade periods the club has an interview with Wellsy and he goes through why we did what we did.
But this year there was the bit by Mitch Broughton and nothing else

Noticed that myself.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You seem to be saying that Wells cuts his coat according to the available cloth (e.g. pick 24) , Ok, but wouldn't he make a better coat with better cloth? Surely, 15 gives him more options than 24. If not, I would worry about his drafting as well as his trading

And, to argue further (it's that kind of morning ), the fact that Caddy wouldn't be the difference (I agree) isn't really the point, IMO. What I am upset over is that we left value on the table. It seems a pretty poor trade outcome for us.

Not always. If the same caliber of players is available in your opinion at 24 as 15. Then I would actually call that a smart move and a win in acquiring a good player for doing the downgrade. Example the tuoey deal for next year. If the class around 15-24 is all round the same and no different, then what have we lost?? We have gained a player of similar caliber and gained tuoey as well.

But time will obviously tell us if this is true won't it?? In a lot of cases you will be right, you are cutting your cloth short and exposing yourself to less talented players, but in a lot of examples you are exposing yourself to identical talent. We will have to wait and see regarding the caddy deal this year as to what we pick up. No draft is the same with what is available at certain ranges which is what your saying would have to be the case every year. Even reading nightmares mock draft for this year he claims the first 20 players are all of similar caliber to the number one pick in mcluggage, as in all similar level of talent. Even look at the example of Adelaide downgrading from pick 10 to 14 with us because they knew lever would still be available at 14.

If we pick up a crap player I agree with you, he has downgraded and cut himself short, but if he has a great player eyed off that he thinks will be available at those picks, then I will take my hat off to him and say well done you knew what you were doing exactly.

It all depends on the certain draft, they all fluctuate and very heaps in depth and spread of talent, some are very very even and some are lop sided at the top.

I am just prepared to wait and see what happens without making a call now.

If we draft a great kid with our two second rounders next year and also this year, then wells has gotten a tick from all this. But pressure is on him if he makes downgrades to ace them.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Interesting....


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[hokee]

Peoples thoughts of what will do on the 1st of November trade period?

Resign Lonergan
Delist Clark & Luxford
Look at Zac Clarke, Ricky Henderson, maybe Barlow & Towers?
Is there anyone else we would take a look at?
Lennon?

Xavier Richards would be good and safe as Towers. Henderson may be as we have Tuohy already. Clark must go. He's 29 and been waste of time for past 2 years.

 

[thegerman]

The thing that stands out for me, after most trade periods the club has an interview with Wellsy and he goes through why we did what we did.
But this year there was the bit by Mitch Broughton and nothing else

Yeah, club be like:

 

[thegerman]

As much as we'd like to see Clark up and about, extremely unlikely. With the Black signing, writing is on the wall.

 

[Larry Donohue]

Peoples thoughts of what will do on the 1st of November trade period?

Resign Lonergan
Delist Clark & Luxford
Look at Zac Clarke, Ricky Henderson, maybe Barlow & Towers?
Is there anyone else we would take a look at?
Lennon?

#keep Mitch pitch

 

[Larry Donohue]

Boo

Xavier Richards would be good and safe as Towers. Henderson may be as we have Tuohy already. Clark must go. He's 29 and been waste of time for past 2 years.

#keep Mitch pitch

 

[Larry Donohue]

As much as we'd like to see Clark up and about, extremely unlikely. With the Black signing, writing is on the wall.

So only have one chf that is really a third fwd in premiership hunt. No way. Only let him go to look after twins. Not the way gfc roll. Very disappointed if they do
#keep Mitch pitch

 

[BUSTER29]

Not always. If the same caliber of players is available in your opinion at 24 as 15. Then I would actually call that a smart move and a win in acquiring a good player for doing the downgrade. Example the tuoey deal for next year. If the class around 15-24 is all round the same and no different, then what have we lost?? We have gained a player of similar caliber and gained tuoey as well.

But time will obviously tell us if this is true won't it?? In a lot of cases you will be right, you are cutting your cloth short and exposing yourself to less talented players, but in a lot of examples you are exposing yourself to identical talent. We will have to wait and see regarding the caddy deal this year as to what we pick up. No draft is the same with what is available at certain ranges which is what your saying would have to be the case every year. Even reading nightmares mock draft for this year he claims the first 20 players are all of similar caliber to the number one pick in mcluggage, as in all similar level of talent. Even look at the example of Adelaide downgrading from pick 10 to 14 with us because they knew lever would still be available at 14.

If we pick up a crap player I agree with you, he has downgraded and cut himself short, but if he has a great player eyed off that he thinks will be available at those picks, then I will take my hat off to him and say well done you knew what you were doing exactly.

It all depends on the certain draft, they all fluctuate and very heaps in depth and spread of talent, some are very very even and some are lop sided at the top.

I am just prepared to wait and see what happens without making a call now.

If we draft a great kid with our two second rounders next year and also this year, then wells has gotten a tick from all this. But pressure is on him if he makes downgrades to ace them.

No matter how good Wells is,its a simple equation.
He has more too choose from with higher picks. Such as 15 over 24.
Increases the percentages of getting his targets and also getting a better player.
Not hard really.

 

[Moggy]

Not always. If the same caliber of players is available in your opinion at 24 as 15. Then I would actually call that a smart move and a win in acquiring a good player for doing the downgrade. Example the tuoey deal for next year. If the class around 15-24 is all round the same and no different, then what have we lost?? We have gained a player of similar caliber and gained tuoey as well.

But time will obviously tell us if this is true won't it?? In a lot of cases you will be right, you are cutting your cloth short and exposing yourself to less talented players, but in a lot of examples you are exposing yourself to identical talent. We will have to wait and see regarding the caddy deal this year as to what we pick up. No draft is the same with what is available at certain ranges which is what your saying would have to be the case every year. Even reading nightmares mock draft for this year he claims the first 20 players are all of similar caliber to the number one pick in mcluggage, as in all similar level of talent. Even look at the example of Adelaide downgrading from pick 10 to 14 with us because they knew lever would still be available at 14.

If we pick up a crap player I agree with you, he has downgraded and cut himself short, but if he has a great player eyed off that he thinks will be available at those picks, then I will take my hat off to him and say well done you knew what you were doing exactly.

It all depends on the certain draft, they all fluctuate and very heaps in depth and spread of talent, some are very very even and some are lop sided at the top.

I am just prepared to wait and see what happens without making a call now.

If we draft a great kid with our two second rounders next year and also this year, then wells has gotten a tick from all this. But pressure is on him if he makes downgrades to ace them.

I see your logic and admit it could be an advantage, but I still think he would probably pick a different player with 15 versus 24... but in the end only he knows and we will a) never find out or at least not until his "tell all" memoirs, and b) never be able to see both scenarios play out in parallel to know for sure which path would have been better.