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[Aphrodite]

Latest Injury Update 11th March …

AFL injury news: Walsh ready to go

Updates on eight Blues ahead of Round 1 against Richmond.

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UPDATES on eight Blues ahead of Thursday night’s clash with Richmond …

Sam Walsh (hamstring)​

• Full training
• Available to play this week against Richmond

Orazio Fantasia (calf)​

• Modified program
• Availability: Round 2
• Experienced a low-grade calf strain in practice match v GWS

Charlie Curnow (knee)​

• Full training
• Availability: Round 2

Ben Camporeale (ankle)​

• Modified program
• Availability: Round 3

Corey Durdin (ankle)​

• Integrating back into full training
• Availability: Round 2-3

Hudson O’Keeffe (hamstring)​

• Integrating back into full training
• Availability: Rounds 2-3

Rob Monahan (groin)​

• Integrating back into full training
• Availability: Rounds 3

Matt Duffy (knee)​

• Modified program
• Availability: Rounds 4-5

 

[FlowersByIrene]

So realistically only Charlie, Newman and Orazio missing.

Not a bad result, still not sure about the Harry stuff. Hopefully was just a bit proppy and good to go for Thursday.

+ Smith

 

[Arr0w]

Good to see we are not blaming Inness, well, at least for now

 

[RAPPA]

Good to see we are not blaming Inness, well, at least for now

Inness was given notice of termination once Walsh did his hammy.

 

[GoBlues!]

Another start to the season with plenty of injured players…

We are either very poor at injury prevention measures or we just have too much bad luck.

It’d be nice to go into a season well prepared for a change.

If we take out Jagga and Newman as unfortunate and unlucky LTIs, which players has the club failed to prevent injuries AG?

 

[Coops93]

We just completely overhauled our fitness and medico team and resurfaced IKON.

Luck or the lack there of has got to have something to do with it at this point.

Luck is an excuse.

We've taken on injury prone players for low prices hoping we'd get positive results. Ultimately, it's given us injury prone players. If you're building your team on the basis of "If these guys stay fit, then we'll have a great year" when those guys have never shown they can stay fit, you're building a foundation on sand. Granted we've moved a few on, but we still have several injury prone players.

The saying "free swing" gets thrown around, but there's no such thing when you have a salary cap and limited list spots. Paying someone and filling a spot with someone who has a long history of injury is a risk.

Charlie and his knee is something that has proven to be an ongoing issue for his career. Every time he has a surgery, cleanup, whatever you want to call it, the prevailing thought is "ok this one should solve the issue because x". In reality, it's ongoing management for his career.

Walsh has back issues and has done a couple of hamstrings. No one argues his professionalism, and so no one wants to say it, but he's starting to show signs of being injury prone. Back issues and hamstrings, concerning and likely ongoing.

Fantasia, one of the so-called free swings, is doing what Fantasia has always done.

Durdin has been injury prone his whole career

Pitto frequently has nicks

The Irish lads often have injuries in their first year or two as they adjust to the different physical requirements of AFL footy.


I'm not sure there's been many injuries that should be completely gobsmacking, it's a lot of the usual customers into the physio room.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Luck is an excuse.

We've taken on injury prone players for low prices hoping we'd get positive results. Ultimately, it's given us injury prone players. If you're building your team on the basis of "If these guys stay fit, then we'll have a great year" when those guys have never shown they can stay fit, you're building a foundation on sand. Granted we've moved a few on, but we still have several injury prone players.

The saying "free swing" gets thrown around, but there's no such thing when you have a salary cap and limited list spots. Paying someone and filling a spot with someone who has a long history of injury is a risk.

Charlie and his knee is something that has proven to be an ongoing issue for his career. Every time he has a surgery, cleanup, whatever you want to call it, the prevailing thought is "ok this one should solve the issue because x". In reality, it's ongoing management for his career.

Walsh has back issues and has done a couple of hamstrings. No one argues his professionalism, and so no one wants to say it, but he's starting to show signs of being injury prone. Back issues and hamstrings, concerning and likely ongoing.

Fantasia, one of the so-called free swings, is doing what Fantasia has always done.

Durdin has been injury prone his whole career

Pitto frequently has nicks

The Irish lads often have injuries in their first year or two as they adjust to the different physical requirements of AFL footy.


I'm not sure there's been many injuries that should be completely gobsmacking, it's a lot of the usual customers into the physio room.

We got rid of most of the injury prone rehab specialists last year. This year Newman goes down for the season, Jagga who's never had an injury in his entire junior career.

Last year SOS and Doch does a 3rd ACL.

Luck has a lot to do with it.

 

[katmanblue]

We just completely overhauled our fitness and medico team and resurfaced IKON.

Luck or the lack there of has got to have something to do with it at this point.

Not sure how much different the program is to be fair.

One player described it to me as mainly the same just some tinkering around the edges.

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[RPCB]

Good to see we are not blaming Inness, well, at least for now

 

[Coops93]

We got rid of most of the injury prone rehab specialists last year. This year Newman goes down for the season, Jagga who's never had an injury in his entire junior career.

Last year SOS and Doch does a 3rd ACL.

Luck has a lot to do with it.

ACLs are broadly bad luck, that's not really what I'm referring to. Most of the injury list isn't Jagga & ACLs. Most of them are repeat customers.

Even then, one (or two?) of Docs ACLs reconstructions were poor surgeries. Classify that as bad luck if you like, but it's moreso bad practice. This time around we went with a different, more modern and seemingly proven to be more effective version of the surgery and he's back within a year. That's not luck.

 

[LanceRomance]

Another start to the season with plenty of injured players…

We are either very poor at injury prevention measures or we just have too much bad luck.

It’d be nice to go into a season well prepared for a change.

I think given the fact that we finished the year with so many injuries, it sort of makes sense we start the new year with more.

 

[LFTWNG11]

We got rid of most of the injury prone rehab specialists last year. This year Newman goes down for the season, Jagga who's never had an injury in his entire junior career.

Last year SOS and Doch does a 3rd ACL.

Luck has a lot to do with it.

You make your own luck.

There is a glaring breakdown in the club when it comes to performance management in general. Doesn’t matter who is in charge, we always have one of the worst injury list. Team performance fluctuates from top 4 to bottom 4 in a matter of weeks. It’s been the same thing for years.

The cub as a whole is obviously missing something crucial when it comes to performance management. I couldn’t tell you what that is but the results speak for themselves.

If we take your analysis of just luck, then might as well do nothing and let the passage of time fix it. lol

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

You make your own luck.

There is a glaring breakdown in the club when it comes to performance management in general. Doesn’t matter who is in charge, we always have one of the worst injury list. Team performance fluctuates from top 4 to bottom 4 in a matter of weeks. It’s been the same thing for years.

The cub as a whole is obviously missing something crucial when it comes to performance management. I couldn’t tell you what that is but the results speak for themselves.

If we take your analysis of just luck, then might as well do nothing and let the passage of time fix it. lol

Gotta give the new regime some time to influence the durability of the list.

This is an entirely new group running things, 1 pre season isn't going to magically fix the issues of the past in the blink of an eye.

But yes, luck has had a lot to do with our list. Half a dozen ACLs, long term impact injuries. It's been a nightmare on every front.

 

[LFTWNG11]

Gotta give the new regime some time to influence the durability of the list.

This is an entirely new group running things, 1 pre season isn't going to magically fix the issues of the past in the blink of an eye.

But yes, luck has had a lot to do with our list. Half a dozen ACLs, long term impact injuries. It's been a nightmare on every front.

We can agree on your first and second paragraph.

 

[Arr0w]

Not sure how much different the program is to be fair.

One player described it to me as mainly the same just some tinkering around the edges.

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Very similar across the league

 

[Bletch]

You make your own luck.

There is a glaring breakdown in the club when it comes to performance management in general. Doesn’t matter who is in charge, we always have one of the worst injury list. Team performance fluctuates from top 4 to bottom 4 in a matter of weeks. It’s been the same thing for years.

The cub as a whole is obviously missing something crucial when it comes to performance management. I couldn’t tell you what that is but the results speak for themselves.

If we take your analysis of just luck, then might as well do nothing and let the passage of time fix it. lol

I don't think the club has been negligent in this area. It's all well and good being frustrated with the continuing run with injuries, who isn't. But it's no good talking about glaring breakdowns if you can't pin down just what it is that needs to be changed. What hasn't been tried?

Said this elsewhere:

In the last 12-15 years we've:
We've gone through multiple rounds of coach changes (both senior and assistants).
Changed medical and conditioning staff multiple times
Changed board members and presidents
Changed CEOs and football department staff
Changed recruiting team and list management
Re-surfaced the ground at least twice
Redeveloped training facilities
Churned through the playing list

The only constant through the whole period is injuries.

Sorry, but I don't have the answer either. I do think if we had a good run at it, we'd be in contention, the talent is there.

 

[Accidental genius]

If we take out Jagga and Newman as unfortunate and unlucky LTIs, which players has the club failed to prevent injuries AG?

There is another long list of injured players …see top of by page.

Training/work loads/surfaces?

Players preparing/cooling down/ stretching to reduce risk of injuries?

How does our injury list compare against other clubs?

 

[Accidental genius]

I think given the fact that we finished the year with so many injuries, it sort of makes sense we start the new year with more.

Our season ended early September…roughly 6-7 months ago and we moved on our injury prones like Marchy Martin cunners.

I was hoping we’d have less injuries by now.

Anyway let’s hope the numbers go south as the season progresses.

 

[Aphrodite]

lily of laguna it appears you also have upgraded iOS18.

There has been an issue since last year with the BigFooty/Tapatalk apps after the iOS18 upgrade.

Posts are a total mish mash emoji code mess.

Please use a browser for now like Chrome/Safari

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Our injury list come round 1 is the same every year. 1 or 2 knees and a total list 10+.

Geelong somehow manage to get their old crew through preseason with roughly half our injuries.

At this point I don't know if playing preseason games is worth it. We can't blame Marchbank. Martin and Cunningham any more.

 

[Arr0w]

Our injury list come round 1 is the same every year. 1 or 2 knees and a total list 10+.

Geelong somehow manage to get their old crew through preseason with roughly half our injuries.

At this point I don't know if playing preseason games is worth it. We can't blame Marchbank. Martin and Cunningham any more.

So what's or who is to blame?

 

[agro]

Our injury list come round 1 is the same every year. 1 or 2 knees and a total list 10+.

Geelong somehow manage to get their old crew through preseason with roughly half our injuries.

At this point I don't know if playing preseason games is worth it. We can't blame Marchbank. Martin and Cunningham any more.

But at least we can name them now.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

So what's or who is to blame?

Good question. Obviously we've got big issues somewhere.

Looking at the positives - the club do seem to be very serious about working this out. Dumping Russell and delisting those 3 shows how serious they are.

I suspect we're still not nursing the players through preseason enough. We might have to consider losing 1 or 2 games early in the season due to being a bit underdone rather than lose an extra 10+ players to injury prior to R1. The goal of Geelong for example is to hit their peak in round 20 rather than round 2.

One name notably absent from the Cats injury list: Jack Martin. They're being ultra cautious with him apparently.

 

[Red_man2008]

Good question. Obviously we've got big issues somewhere.

Looking at the positives - the club do seem to be very serious about working this out. Dumping Russell and delisting those 3 shows how serious they are.

I suspect we're still not nursing the players through preseason enough. We might have to consider losing 1 or 2 games early in the season due to being a bit underdone rather than lose an extra 10+ players to injury prior to R1. The goal of Geelong for example is to hit their peak in round 20 rather than round 2.

One name notably absent from the Cats injury list: Jack Martin. They're being ultra cautious with him apparently.

I think our new program is going to take time for some players to adjust. I don’t mind having players not being 100% ready by round if we have 90-95% of the list available by round 20. It’s a long season and im not ready to say our HP team is failing this early in the year. If by the bye we still have strong numbers off the park then we can have a whinge then. Currently we have 2 important players missing the whole year but outside of that others should be good to go within the first month.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Good question. Obviously we've got big issues somewhere.

Looking at the positives - the club do seem to be very serious about working this out. Dumping Russell and delisting those 3 shows how serious they are.

I suspect we're still not nursing the players through preseason enough. We might have to consider losing 1 or 2 games early in the season due to being a bit underdone rather than lose an extra 10+ players to injury prior to R1. The goal of Geelong for example is to hit their peak in round 20 rather than round 2.

One name notably absent from the Cats injury list: Jack Martin. They're being ultra cautious with him apparently.

Loved Jack Martin once he got on the ground - such a different hard at it type.

Keep him jogging the boundary & roll him out for the GF.

 

[Moon]

The problem with having so many Injury prone Players is when finals are on.
3-4 grueling games to win if Top 4 ... 5 if outside Top 4.
How many Players can Carlton afford to lose during finals to win the Premiership?

Walsh, Charlie, Harry, Cerra, Williams, Martin, Gov, Mots etc ... ??
You don't win Premierships with a bag of your best Players watching on the sidelines.