North want to sell a home game to the Dockers or Eagles

[stallon]

Fair enough, but you can see why I get annoyed when WA fans brush small Melbourne teams with the same perceived fixturing advantages brush as the big Victorian teams (which now being exasperated by Freo and WC buying that advantage back from a small Melbourne club and not a big Melbourne club).

I dont assume that you guys have it the same at all, I just want my own state to be caught up to the clubs that have the best ride.
North are selling home games anyway, a big vic club wont sell any home games to the west.
In reality the AFL should be fixing it properly, either by removing some vic clubs, adding WA3, or by sending 2 vic clubs over for 2 weeks each year with every Vic club getting to do the trip once every 5 years.

 

[parano1a]

Get 45,000 Essendon supporters in and 5000 Collingwood supporters in, and voila, you have home ground advantage. Problem solved.

This would be akin to holding the Melbourne Cup at Pakenham. Not gonna happen.

 

[stallon]

I agree that we should not be adding more teams.

Tassie is coming in whether we like it or not.

That should NOT mean that we need a 20th team to even things up.

WA3, Canberra, NT, SA3. No to all.

Sticking on 19 teams isnt a good move either. Go back to 18 or add one to get to 20

The byes each week suit nobody

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Perth isn't under-represented - Melbourne / Victoria is OVER represented - don't equate the two.

Ideally there should be less teams in Melbourne, not more teams in Perth.

I don't believe enough people would jump ship, especially for a metro team playing at Optus. More likely to get a following for a slightly removed market with a boutique stadium, such as the south west - however, I still strongly believe we should be reducing team numbers, not adding to it.

Giving a team to the South West is like giving a second team to Tasmania. It makes no sense.

It would work best as another CBD team. There are more than enough football fans without tickets to football every week in WA to support it.

Putting it in the South West would cut its potential fan base by 10x at least.

 

[screech]

Surely the success of the Brisbane Lions model should be repeated as a priority.

Merge North with Gold Coast to free up a spot for Tasmania.

Attach the Kangaroos brand to GC and give it an instant Melbourne support base.

Western Sydney Bulldogs or Western Sydney Saints should be the next priority after that.

 

[Philth]

Sticking on 19 teams isnt a good move either. Go back to 18 or add one to get to 20

The byes each week suit nobody

I would rather have byes every week than a 20th team that no one wants or asked for.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

However travelling 4+ hours on a plane every single week has a cumulative effect on players and if need that explained to you nothing I can say will help you

Other teams travel interstate too. There's also lesser cumulative travel effect for Melbourne teams playing interstate.

And do you have any other arguments than "it has an effect, because I'm saying it does"?

I'm sure it does but I reckon it might impact you a point per game. Whereas we know an extra, 10,000 fans in the crowd influence the umpiring that benefit a team two or three points a game.

 

[Barrybran]

Giving a team to the South West is like giving a second team to Tasmania. It makes no sense.

It would work best as another CBD team. There are more than enough football fans without tickets to football every week in WA to support it.

Putting it in the South West would cut its potential fan base by 10x at least.

We're at a point where other than Canberra, any new team will be in a region with at least two teams already or a regional centre. Tasmania isn't going to be pulling crowds of 20k people each fortnight so we're already going in that direction.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I'm a strong advocate of a third AFL team in Perth, principally from a talent pathway & economic standpoint. The capacity to grow the game at a professional level, stronger high performance talent base. More routes for WA players into the league, more money for WA football through increased fan participation and access to games.

Obviously, the existing clubs would oppose it because from a zero-sum perspective they'll lose out in the short to medium term. But the WAFC should be all over it like a rash and i'm honestly baffled by their lack of foresight & reluctance on this.

North Melbourne should proactively relocate to Canberra. Not relocating a significant distance from Melbourne, can transition with home games in Melbourne. Colours make sense for a Canberra team, Royal Bluebell is their floral emblem, the coat of arms has a blue shield on it etc... Would turn around the club off field financially and on field success would follow.

 

[Rob R]

Surely the success of the Brisbane Lions model should be repeated as a priority.

Merge North with Gold Coast to free up a spot for Tasmania.

Attach the Kangaroos brand to GC and give it an instant Melbourne support base.

Western Sydney Bulldogs or Western Sydney Saints should be the next priority after that.

Why would the Gold Coast want North after they rejected a rich offer to go there in the first place?

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[FlowersByIrene]

We're at a point where other than Canberra, any new team will be in a region with at least two teams already or a regional centre. Tasmania isn't going to be pulling crowds of 20k people each fortnight so we're already going in that direction.

Yeah, and we shouldn't be. I'll go to my grave that WA3 would be successful and would be a Fremantle level team within 20 years.

 

[stallon]

I would rather have byes every week than a 20th team that no one wants or asked for.

Id rather go to 14 teams, 2 in WA, 2 in SA, 2 in NSW, 2 in QLD 4 in Vic, 1 in Tas and 1 in Canberra but thats just not going to happen

 

[Barrybran]

Surely the success of the Brisbane Lions model should be repeated as a priority.

Merge North with Gold Coast to free up a spot for Tasmania.

Attach the Kangaroos brand to GC and give it an instant Melbourne support base.

Western Sydney Bulldogs or Western Sydney Saints should be the next priority after that.

Ideally, one or more of the Melbourne clubs would go regional. Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton, Albury/Wodonga. Pick a place with a decent population and make it their own. At some point, we're going to have cities with big enough populations that will be able to support professional sports teams so why not embrace it.

 

[Barrybran]

Yeah, and we shouldn't be. I'll go to my grave that WA3 would be successful and would be a Fremantle level team within 20 years.

I would hope WA3 would be better than Fremantle

(Sorry Freo fans)

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Ideally, one or more of the Melbourne clubs would go regional. Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton, Albury/Wodonga. Pick a place with a decent population and make it their own. At some point, we're going to have cities with big enough populations that will be able to support professional sports teams so why not embrace it.

I actually don't know if this is the case. If anything we seem to have a penchant for over centralising our cities. If anything I see our cities becoming more urbanised over the next 30 years.

 

[Spirit Level]

I can understand why North want to do this, but it doesn't really sit right with me.

The poorest club has to sell a home game to the rich WA clubs, to be played at their home ground.

It will be interesting to see if The AFL allows it.

You hate the idea of teams getting home games they didn't earn?

Like Adelaide having to play at the G in 2017?

 

[screech]

Why would the Gold Coast want North after they rejected a rich offer to go there in the first place?

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The same way Fitzroy rejected a relocation to Brisbane in 1986?

 

[bzparkes]

No one is folding these days. It shouldn’t be permitted.

Whilst I agree, not sure you can complain about North selling homes games when your own club did it to say afloat, just over a decade ago.

 

[bzparkes]

You hate the idea of teams getting home games they didn't earn?

Like Adelaide having to play at the G in 2017?

They hate anything that may get closer to reducing their unfair advantage.

 

[screech]

Ideally, one or more of the Melbourne clubs would go regional. Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton, Albury/Wodonga. Pick a place with a decent population and make it their own. At some point, we're going to have cities with big enough populations that will be able to support professional sports teams so why not embrace it.

Western Bulldogs should definitely be rebranding as Western Victoria - make a more permanent base at Ballarat and secure that entire market to the border for the future.

 

[dean33]

Whilst I agree, not sure you can complain about North selling homes games when your own club did it to say afloat, just over a decade ago.

FMD. I’m talking about the hear and now, not something 10 years ago. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen as it opens up a can of worms. You will just get rich clubs buying home games and poor clubs selling them. The afl should construct the fixture not have some clubs sell and buy home games.

 

[stallon]

FMD. I’m talking about the hear and now, not something 10 years ago. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen as it opens up a can of worms. You will just get rich clubs buying home games and poor clubs selling them. The afl should construct the fixture not have some clubs sell and buy home games.

Until the AFL does something about it by scheduling more games in WA to reduce the travel burden of the WA clubs they wont stop looking for things to assist like this scenario thats playing out now.

The AFL has ****ed up, they should be making 2 vic clubs go over for 2 weeks every year, with every vic club taking a turn once every 5 years(10 clubs at 2 per year).

 

[deck]

It's one thing to sell games to a market that doesn't have a team. But when you need to sell home games to another team you got to ask the question is the team viable in the first place.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Western Bulldogs should definitely be rebranding as Western Victoria - make a more permanent base at Ballarat and secure that entire market to the border for the future.

Honestly, the non-Victorian fans who want to slice and dice Victoria completely ignoring the generational and geographic factors among teams with 100+ years of history and thinks it'll all work out is fine is ridiculous.

How exactly is a more permanent base at Ballarat (120,000 people, many who are not and will never in their lifetime be a Dogs supporter) better for the Dogs than remaining a western suburbs of Melbourne (population, 750,000 of which the most supported team remains the Dogs)?

 

[bzparkes]

FMD. I’m talking about the hear and now, not something 10 years ago. It shouldn’t be allowed to happen as it opens up a can of worms. You will just get rich clubs buying home games and poor clubs selling them. The afl should construct the fixture not have some clubs sell and buy home games.

"My team benefited from it a while to save them from extinction ago but no team should be able to now, unless it's some pissant, bottom dwelling, interstate side."

Sure bud.