Non Lions Discussion 2024

[Jivlain]

Overstep? Over reach?

Reenacting rape? Underage minors? Slavery? Acts of terrorism?

Sorry, in no way are these penalties unjustified.

We have a women's competition. That alone is cause enough to throw the book at these guys. Add in the battles with vilification and players being accused of similar acts and incidents over recent years and this is just stupid, tasteless and brainless.

I don't care if it was behind closed doors - it wasn't, there were staff there and CCTV video footage taken - there is a line you don't cross. Plenty of public figures are held to account for private acts and this is no different.

Simulated rape and making light of underage girls is about as derogatory and demeaning as you can get - privately and publicly. It shows how far we have to go to rid ourselves of double standards and disrespect. I cannot imagine the disgust the women's GWS team must feel.

They're young, they're inexperienced, they're overpaid, they're rarely told no. That's the life of an AFL player. That's why it was crucial the AFL did what they did... they had no choice.

And I would be just as pissed and disappointed if it was our boys.

Idun maybe a bit harsh, given he's Ghanian and also apparently asked first. I'm glad he's on the low end of the penalties (mind, I also haven't gotten around to watching that film so I don't know the scene). If you feel you have to ask that's probably a good hint that you probably just shouldn't, mind.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Never change Leppa.... so glad we got rid of him

 

[notliondown]

Idun maybe a bit harsh, given he's Ghanian and also apparently asked first. I'm glad he's on the low end of the penalties (mind, I also haven't gotten around to watching that film so I don't know the scene). If you feel you have to ask that's probably a good hint that you probably just shouldn't, mind.

Yeah he's the one I really struggle with... like you say, he was concerned enough to ask, so he knew what he was doing was sketchy. I will give him credit for being aware and understanding he was going to potentially offend...

Which was why he of all of them should also have known better.

It's just a mess. We've all had errors of judgement... I just hope they realise and all of the other players as well, that you need to practice what you preach and claim to stand for in public, when you are alone and in private and think no one is watching.

 

[captainrich]

Never change Leppa.... so glad we got rid of him

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I have met Leppa before extremely nice guy. Note Barrett and him have a massive beef from his team as our coach where they got into a scuffle about things he was writing about the Lions....so cant completely read into what is said.

 

[Tom14]

Overstep? Over reach?

Reenacting rape? Underage minors? Slavery? Acts of terrorism?

Sorry, in no way are these penalties unjustified.

We have a women's competition. That alone is cause enough to throw the book at these guys. Add in the battles with vilification and players being accused of similar acts and incidents over recent years and this is just stupid, tasteless and brainless.

I don't care if it was behind closed doors - it wasn't, there were staff there and CCTV video footage taken - there is a line you don't cross. Plenty of public figures are held to account for private acts and this is no different.

Simulated rape and making light of underage girls is about as derogatory and demeaning as you can get - privately and publicly. It shows how far we have to go to rid ourselves of double standards and disrespect. I cannot imagine the disgust the women's GWS team must feel.

They're young, they're inexperienced, they're overpaid, they're rarely told no. That's the life of an AFL player. That's why it was crucial the AFL did what they did... they had no choice.

And I would be just as pissed and disappointed if it was our boys.

The detail that has dripped out is pretty horrifying. I've seen a lot of people pointing to other costumes that weren't punished - e.g. Bartel dressing up as the St Kilda schoolgirl, or Melbourne having two dress up as a Rolf Harris and a victim.

That should also have been condemned and punished, on reflection.

If you have glossed over the detail and just think this is PC gone mad, I'd ask you to read this on what this actually means:

Women in the AFL left hurt and disappointed in wake of GWS costume scandal

Women who work within the AFL community and fans of the game are left feeling hurt and angered by the fallout of the GWS post-season function saga, while many have been targeted online after speaking out against the behaviour.

www.abc.net.au

Emma Race, who co-created the Outer Sanctum Podcast and Making the Call sports broadcasting program, said the link between jokes and gender-based violence was misunderstood in the community.

"For people like us who work in the game, the shock is when our male colleagues are not making that connection, and when the players who have had all of the education from school, the AFL, their clubs and even stood in a circle in memoriam of women and are still not making that connection either," she said.

"The attitudes of media colleagues and former players have so much weight with the trolls and give way to an online conversation where the response is to be aggressive and blame the people who find this behaviour confronting, rather laying responsibility at the feet of the people whose behaviour is at the centre of the incident."

This year, AFL players, coaches and umpires stood arm-in-arm in a circle on the ground before matches and observed a moment's silence to honour the victims of violence against women.

One woman has been killed violently on average every four days in Australia this year.

This year, Our Watch CEO Patty Kinnersly did an education session with GWS, including the men's playing group, on equality and respect.

"We are not across the detail of what is alleged to have taken place, but any kind of behaviours including jokes that are sexist or about sexual violence are not harmless," she said.

"They normalise harmful attitudes toward women, minimise violence and reinforce harmful stereotypes. They contribute to a culture where violence against women is accepted and thrives.

"We are in the midst of a national crisis of violence against women, and sporting codes, in particular male sporting stars, have a vital role in standing alongside the women in their lives — to lead and model respectful behaviour and advocate for change among their fans and across the community.

"Their voices and behaviours are powerful in helping deliver real-world change to reduce and end violence against women."

 

[Nathan Barley]

I have met Leppa before extremely nice guy. Note Barrett and him have a massive beef from his team as our coach where they got into a scuffle about things he was writing about the Lions....so cant completely read into what is said.

Plenty of people are nice in social situations and horrible in high pressure work environments

 

[knaf]

The detail that has dripped out is pretty horrifying. I've seen a lot of people pointing to other costumes that weren't punished - e.g. Bartel dressing up as the St Kilda schoolgirl, or Melbourne having two dress up as a Rolf Harris and a victim.

That should also have been condemned and punished, on reflection.

If you have glossed over the detail and just think this is PC gone mad, I'd ask you to read this on what this actually means:

How could someone think this is funny?