Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion 2024 Part 2

[Ge3ks]

He's a bit Shai but sure knows where the goals are.

FWIW his name rhymes with ray.

Shai Bolton - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Taylor]

Indigenous groups the world over were very hesitant to jump in on the vaccination programs during covid and places that mandated such for continued inclusion and connection would have seen a disconnect and never to be recaptured group.

The reason the elders in WA wanted the NGA to include metro boys was because maintaining the connection to the program over may years is what kept them on a positive, supervised and productive track - whether they ended up in football or not.

There needs to be some work done in bringing young men back to football.

 

[Bigger]

Yeah. All of that is true.

It's also a function of how few kids are being drafted in general, post free agency and different mechanisms of trade and exchange of senior players. If only 60 to 70 young fellas are drafted in the national draft, with 2 to 3 per cent of the general popoulation being indigenous, you can reasonably expect at most only 1 to 2 indigenous draftees (if we do a straight ratio transfer; obviously that is not entirely reasonable but it is a place to start setting a base level of likelihood).

So the window is smaller. And the expectations are higher. As little as 20 years ago you would never expect a draftee to play in their first year, other than a freaky few. Now, with access to more sophisticated development pathways and an overall raising of the strength and fitness floor, these young fellas are increasingly expected to have some immediate impact.

The average AFL career is 4 years. If you are spending 3 of those in development, you are a ruckman. Everybody else who will take that long is just not a good return on investment.

At a grassroots level, it is harder and harder to keep young blackfellas in the game. The usual distractions of youth, which have been magnified overall, tend to be intensified and for a lot of indigenous kids from remote communities, to even access the available development pathways, they have to leave their homes and support networks.

It's all well and good to say there are heaps of scholarships available through avaricious PSA schools, but the leap from Fitzroy Crossing to Wesley isn't an easy one to make.

If then, at AFL club level, there is any concern about the ability of a draftee to have immediate impact or longstanding stability, they will necessarily err on the side of caution. They will always favour certainty and seek it where they can.

So the number of indigenous footballers at the elite elevel is being squeezed at both ends.

It's not great.

Any time Victoria dominates the draft pool, there are necessarily fewer indigenous players. It has a much lower level of first nations representation in population. Much lower level of understanding about the backyards our local blackfellas are coming from as well.

And as long as Victoria dominates AFL decisionmaking, that will continue. Sure, they'll wheel out Richmond and ****ing Essendon for "Dreamtime" games, and make the usual song and dance, but in reality they do ****-all at a grassroots level.

 

[mattis117]

HAHAHAHA ****ing Nick Daicos was the bloody Trade Whisperer. 10 weeks for shit postings LOL!!!!!

Um? What?

 

[Yeti]

The Indigenous population is growing each census so the numbers should trend back up.

Profile of First Nations people

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander (First Nations) people are the first peoples of Australia.@They are not one group, but rather comprise hundreds of groups that have their own distinct set of...

www.aihw.gov.au

NGA academies would help.

 

[oldgoat]

Yeah. All of that is true.

It's also a function of how few kids are being drafted in general, post free agency and different mechanisms of trade and exchange of senior players. If only 60 to 70 young fellas are drafted in the national draft, with 2 to 3 per cent of the general popoulation being indigenous, you can reasonably expect at most only 1 to 2 indigenous draftees (if we do a straight ratio transfer; obviously that is not entirely reasonable but it is a place to start setting a base level of likelihood).

So the window is smaller. And the expectations are higher. As little as 20 years ago you would never expect a draftee to play in their first year, other than a freaky few. Now, with access to more sophisticated development pathways and an overall raising of the strength and fitness floor, these young fellas are increasingly expected to have some immediate impact.

The average AFL career is 4 years. If you are spending 3 of those in development, you are a ruckman. Everybody else who will take that long is just not a good return on investment.

At a grassroots level, it is harder and harder to keep young blackfellas in the game. The usual distractions of youth, which have been magnified overall, tend to be intensified and for a lot of indigenous kids from remote communities, to even access the available development pathways, they have to leave their homes and support networks.

It's all well and good to say there are heaps of scholarships available through avaricious PSA schools, but the leap from Fitzroy Crossing to Wesley isn't an easy one to make.

If then, at AFL club level, there is any concern about the ability of a draftee to have immediate impact or longstanding stability, they will necessarily err on the side of caution. They will always favour certainty and seek it where they can.

So the number of indigenous footballers at the elite elevel is being squeezed at both ends.

It's not great.

Any time Victoria dominates the draft pool, there are necessarily fewer indigenous players. It has a much lower level of first nations representation in population. Much lower level of understanding about the backyards our local blackfellas are coming from as well.

And as long as Victoria dominates AFL decisionmaking, that will continue. Sure, they'll wheel out Richmond and *ing Essendon for "Dreamtime" games, and make the usual song and dance, but in reality they do *-all at a grassroots level.

Good points.
How, if at all, might a higher minimum draft age affect indigenous succession to senior football?
Would more opportunity to spend a year or two in the lower pressure environment of the second tier help.
High school to afl is a huge leap!

 

[Joao]

See Dodo throwing grenades on his way out?

I strongly suspect that Essendon might turn the corner in coming years.

 

[Hamann188]

WCE having a good old laugh at us over this trade/draft period.

As if missing out on Berry and losing Knobel has screwed us for the next decade.

Ah good for them, whatever takes their mind off the dumpster fire.

 

[Cesoir]

WCE having a good old laugh at us over this trade/draft period.

As if missing out on Berry and losing Knobel has screwed us for the next decade.

Ah good for them, whatever takes their mind off the dumpster fire.

In fairness they are only laughing because we are pissing and moaning about it. They are not that au fait with our list needs, but always happy to have a laugh at our melts.

Same applies the other way.

 

[Big Animal]

but that's our talent. pissing and moaning. Dylan Stephens

15

Dylan Stephens

Age

23

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

anyone?

 

[s_wd6]

Yeah I liked it more when they had traded pick 3 for Baker and Owies.

That's ended up working great for them. Got Baker, Owies will probably add 30 goals for them, picked up their man in Bo, got a few draft steals. Have two firsts next year to work with. It's not fun when they're competent.

 

[Hamann188]

In fairness they are only laughing because we are pissing and moaning about it. They are not that au fait with our list needs, but always happy to have a laugh at our melts.

Same applies the other way.

Yeah I know, don't even know why I'm bothering creeping around their board. Their on the opposite end of the ladder to us, should be much more concerned with our own race.

 

[Big Animal]

speaking of WC, why was Woosha handing out jumpers? Thought that would be McQuarterpounder's job? Or are they too embarassed by him?

 

[freoextra]

speaking of WC, why was Woosha handing out jumpers? Thought that would be McQuarterpounder's job? Or are they too embarassed by him?

To be fair, it seemed that the jumpers were handed out by former greats with each team except Freo from memory

 

[Superkoops]

To be fair, it seemed that the jumpers were handed out by former greats with each team except Freo from memory

Depends who is there. For Freo in the room the only bloke that played for Freo now that Belly is gone is JL. For WC it looked like in the room only Woosha played for the club. All good for Victorians as they have heaps of former players living down the road.

 

[CakeEater]

To be fair, it seemed that the jumpers were handed out by former greats with each team except Freo from memory

Whoa, John Longmuir is a Dockers legend isnt he?-Probably Andrew Dillon.

 

[gaskin]

Depends who is there. For Freo in the room the only bloke that played for Freo now that Belly is gone is JL. For WC it looked like in the room only Woosha played for the club. All good for Victorians as they have heaps of former players living down the road.

Surely they could have gotten Barlow to rock up and do it.

 

[Quay Club]

Surely they could have gotten Barlow to rock up and do it.

Nah he would have cut the bottom off the jumper before he gave it to him!

 

[DQ 4EVER]

See Dodo throwing grenades on his way out?

I strongly suspect that Essendon might turn the corner in coming years.

I reckon Bombers drafted well

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[FreoRicci]

West Coast still need another 4-5 drafts like this to replace their Dad's Army
Cripps
Yeo
McGovern
Kelly
Duggan
Ryan
Sheed

Shouldn't be last then third last with list like that. Spuds

 

[Docker82]

West Coast still need another 4-5 drafts like this to replace their Dad's Army
Cripps
Yeo
McGovern
Kelly
Duggan
Ryan
Sheed

Shouldn't be last then third last with list like that. Spuds

Not sure they need that many big drafts tbh but there certainly seems to be some delusion amongst their fans how long it’s going to take for these kids to develop. 4-5 years from here to be a genuine top contender is very possible.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Yeah. All of that is true.

It's also a function of how few kids are being drafted in general, post free agency and different mechanisms of trade and exchange of senior players. If only 60 to 70 young fellas are drafted in the national draft, with 2 to 3 per cent of the general popoulation being indigenous, you can reasonably expect at most only 1 to 2 indigenous draftees (if we do a straight ratio transfer; obviously that is not entirely reasonable but it is a place to start setting a base level of likelihood).

So the window is smaller. And the expectations are higher. As little as 20 years ago you would never expect a draftee to play in their first year, other than a freaky few. Now, with access to more sophisticated development pathways and an overall raising of the strength and fitness floor, these young fellas are increasingly expected to have some immediate impact.

The average AFL career is 4 years. If you are spending 3 of those in development, you are a ruckman. Everybody else who will take that long is just not a good return on investment.

At a grassroots level, it is harder and harder to keep young blackfellas in the game. The usual distractions of youth, which have been magnified overall, tend to be intensified and for a lot of indigenous kids from remote communities, to even access the available development pathways, they have to leave their homes and support networks.

It's all well and good to say there are heaps of scholarships available through avaricious PSA schools, but the leap from Fitzroy Crossing to Wesley isn't an easy one to make.

If then, at AFL club level, there is any concern about the ability of a draftee to have immediate impact or longstanding stability, they will necessarily err on the side of caution. They will always favour certainty and seek it where they can.

So the number of indigenous footballers at the elite elevel is being squeezed at both ends.

It's not great.

Any time Victoria dominates the draft pool, there are necessarily fewer indigenous players. It has a much lower level of first nations representation in population. Much lower level of understanding about the backyards our local blackfellas are coming from as well.

And as long as Victoria dominates AFL decisionmaking, that will continue. Sure, they'll wheel out Richmond and *ing Essendon for "Dreamtime" games, and make the usual song and dance, but in reality they do *-all at a grassroots level.

Couldn’t agree with this more….
The ‘Dreamtime’ at the G is a total fabrication of two clubs history in promoting indigenous talent…
Poachers of the highest degree from the WAFL starting with Rioli, Mitchell, Kickett (Derek and Dale) , Bewick, and the SANFL fellas..