Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[RookiePick]

This argument is a complete furphy. State Government is capable of delivering education for every child, and it’s a cop out to suggest otherwise.

I went to Kelmscott Senior High twenty years ago. We did pretty well as a school. I remember that our year won a state science comp which opened up some funding to expand the science department. But for the most part we were sitting in dark classrooms with minimal lighting with no air conditioning.

Private schools on the other hand were enjoying swimming pools and state of the art sports centres thanks to government spending.

Australian society is supposedly built around the notion of a fair go for everybody - and education is what helps individuals reach their full potential.

Instead we live in a society where the differential in the distribution of wealth is exacerbating. Rich get richer. Manufacturing is no more, and professional jobs are being outsourced overseas. Ordinary Australians can no longer afford to buy a house.

This is all influenced by Government policy, and unnecessary Government spending on private schooling is all part of the problem.

It's lip service mate. The fair go died in the arse in the 90s

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Anyone with Fox tomorrow from 330pm they are showing in a row:

2016 win v GWS (NicNat goal)

Watched that one at the sports bar at Crown. Rarely watch footy there but the place was buzzing on that final siren, jumping up and down hugging randoms

 

[darksquare]

If public schools have to double to fit everyone in, so be it, especially if private schools are getting more money anyway. You just swing that money into the public sector(considering some private schools get more funding than public ones, go figure...)

Nobody's saying private schools shouldn't exist. They simply shouldn't get more than the public system when they're only accessible to certain people above a financial threshold and parents are concerned that their kids will fall behind if they go public.

Private schools receive less funding than government schools. For example, Wesley College received $8,544 per student in 2023, while Kelmscott SHS received $18,458.

There is a question as to whether private schools should instead be entirely funded by fees, and that’s a valid conversation - but government schools do currently receive more public funding than either independent or catholic schools.


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[Ambrose Burnside]

Private schools receive less funding than government schools. For example, Wesley College received $8,544 per student in 2023, while Kelmscott SHS received $18,458.

There is a question as to whether private schools should instead be entirely funded by fees, and that’s a valid conversation - but government schools do currently receive more public funding than either independent or catholic schools.


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Remove that $8.5k and those Wesley boys will have to buy their own ivory back scratchers, and we can't have that!

 

[DanWCE]

Private schools receive less funding than government schools. For example, Wesley College received $8,544 per student in 2023, while Kelmscott SHS received $18,458.

There is a question as to whether private schools should instead be entirely funded by fees, and that’s a valid conversation - but government schools do currently receive more public funding than either independent or catholic schools.


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I'm sure there's been a series of articles on WAtoday suggesting the exact opposite

 

[Mr Eagle]

Kayo sold to DAZN. Is this a good thing? I seem to be in the minority that doesn't have any reliability issue with Kayo.

 

[Grahame]

Kayo sold to DAZN. Is this a good thing? I seem to be in the minority that doesn't have any reliability issue with Kayo.

Me too. Had buffering issues with Kayo until I brought the router into the same room as the TV.

 

[MrWoollie]

Private schools receive less funding than government schools. For example, Wesley College received $8,544 per student in 2023, while Kelmscott SHS received $18,458.

There is a question as to whether private schools should instead be entirely funded by fees, and that’s a valid conversation - but government schools do currently receive more public funding than either independent or catholic schools.


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It certainly wasn't that way in the dim dark past.

And I'm not sure individual school comparisons are the way to go. Too selective. Can choose biggest funded public school vs. least funded private school etc.

Probably the fairest comparison is an all schools one. Total funding to private schools divided by number of pupils vs. same in public schools.
This metric (in the 70's) used to favour the posh boys substantially.

As to the fees issue, I accept that private schools do take a load off the public sector. But if it costs more than the public sector, it's false economy. I could accept private pupils getting say half funding of public students and if you want the posh education, you pay for it.

 

[Biggie]

Me too. Had buffering issues with Kayo until I brought the router into the same room as the TV.

I’ve not changed anything and notice as significant improve on KAYO recently. Buffer still evident but clears up quite quickly

 

[darksquare]

I'm sure there's been a series of articles on WAtoday suggesting the exact opposite

You can look up any school’s finances on the My School website. Government schools funded most, then Catholic, then independent. It’s not easy to make like-for-like comparisons, particularly with the high-fee independent schools - but you can compare public funding of local primary schools with the Catholic school next door. For example, Bayswater PS (where my kids went) $14,141, St Columba $12,285.

Of course, government schools need higher funding, because they don’t get to turn kids away if they don’t like their behaviour, religion or academic results. Educating all comers requires greater support.

But, on average, they do receive somewhat higher funding.


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[ziad]

Private schools receive less funding than government schools. For example, Wesley College received $8,544 per student in 2023, while Kelmscott SHS received $18,458.

There is a question as to whether private schools should instead be entirely funded by fees, and that’s a valid conversation - but government schools do currently receive more public funding than either independent or catholic schools.


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Its an interesting discussion, I see both sides having merit

 

[THE A5]

Kayo sold to DAZN. Is this a good thing? I seem to be in the minority that doesn't have any reliability issue with Kayo.

So both kayo and foxtel sold. I’m not surprised it’s been sold. I wonder how much sales they’ve lost over the last decade and a bit with the rise of streaming sites.

 

[Bender_]

So both kayo and foxtel sold. I’m not surprised it’s been sold. I wonder how much sales they’ve lost over the last decade and a bit with the rise of streaming sites.

Providing a sub-par product certainly hasn't helped.

 

[THE A5]

Providing a sub-par product certainly hasn't helped.

Yeah and it’s getting to a point for me where it doesn’t really worth it either for me. Basically use it for footy and and BBL for the scorchers.

 

[xInfected_Virus]

It can, and it does.

Contrary to the mass-privatisation dogma that has existed since the 1970s, when it comes to providing services to the public, government owned and operated institutions keep outdoing private entities for the level of service output.

Much of the inflationary pressure currently being felt by households is a product of unfettered market deregulation and privatisation, resulting in monopolistic and cartel-like profit-incentivised behaviour, charging more whilst providing less.


Countries with greater government involvement in health, education and primary industry attain higher standards of education and longevity, with more robust and diversified economies.


That governments are incapable of doing things is a myth peddled by robber barons and carpet baggers.




If there were no private health sector in Australia, the money that is inefficiency spent there would be reinvested back into Medicare, closing gap costs and improving provision timelines to the public rather than just the wealthy.

Despite an ongoing campaign from the Liberals and oligarchy press in this country for the past 50 years to denigrate healthcare in this country until it resembles a completely deregulated American-style outcome, the Australian government-funded healthcare system is the best on the planet when compared internationally.

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The US spends most on it's healthcare but they have the worst results out of all Western countries.

The reason: Is greed.

The US healthcare system is based on a business model that is unsustainable and only benefits the executives and such due to it's price gouging model, admin costs, ad costs and most egregious is denying people care even though they really need the care. The more clients they deny, the more profits they make.

There's a reason why millions of people in the US struggle with debt and even hospitals are going bankrupt too.

American cannot and will not ever have an Australian style Medicare for all system proposed by Senator Bernie Sanders due to health insurance and pharma lobbying in Congress and those interests pays politicians money to serve their interests which in this case is health insurance. Remember no private insurance mafia middlemen = no money in executives pockets. Money in politics needs to die, buried and cremated for good.

A Medicare for all system in America will ABSOLUTELY SAVE MONEY by taking out the for profit motive. It could be easily be funded by the government by taxing ultra wealthy people like Elon Musk and such and also decreasing the Medicare tax towards it's citizens like instead of paying $10K in private taxes like co-pays, deductibles, premiums and such for non guaranteed coverage the people only pays $5k in public taxes which in turn covers everything needed.

Australia in comparison is soo much better. It's free at the point of service. It could be improved such as Medicare also including eye glasses, dental and hearing and I wouldn't mind paying a small extra in taxes to fund it.

Here's my story with the Australian system and how me and my family would've been fu*cked if I was in America, I'm sure some of you folks here have mostly positive stories of our healthcare.
- I've had two abscess surgeries within a space of a year and post surgery care too. All free of charge at the point of service. If I was an American citizen, god knows if my sh*itty insurance will cover it and probably my family would be bankrupt too.

 

[briztoon]

Providing a sub-par product certainly hasn't helped.

Believe we’re all in for a shock. From elsewhere.

 

[Rowan18]

Believe we’re all in for a shock. From elsewhere.

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I really like Kayo as it is pretty cheap and I can watch footy and cricket whenever I want. I'm not interested in paying a lot more though, so will look to pirate if they ramp up prices.

 

[WCErevival]

Isn't Kayo free as part of Binge now?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

If the price goes up my brother in law might stop paying for it, which means I won't have access to it anymore either

 

[FKASC]

Isn't Kayo free as part of Binge now?

Pretty sure it redirects you to pay for Kayo. If not, I’m going to get rid of my kayo subscription cos I’m already paying through the nose for binge

 

[THE A5]

I know we got laws in place but I wonder if they will get relaxed where these streaming sites/fox start to get more and more games exclusively for them. Will be a dark day for sport. Cricket in particular

 

[WCErevival]

Pretty sure it redirects you to pay for Kayo. If not, I’m going to get rid of my kayo subscription cos I’m already paying through the nose for binge

The way they have worded it, it's all part of the binge subscription. Even the base $10 a month package has it.

 

[Rowan18]

The way they have worded it, it's all part of the binge subscription. Even the base $10 a month package has it.

I think it's live streaming only on one of the foxtel channels. A bit like old school Fox - you can watch it when it's on, but no replays etc

 

[WCErevival]

I think it's live streaming only on one of the foxtel channels. A bit like old school Fox - you can watch it when it's on, but no replays etc

Ah ok. Still good for the occasional watcher though. Maybe not the sport obsessed.