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As I said in another thread, Collingwood play every game of every season to the last minute. That's why they've won more games than any other club over the course of history.The irony after Pies fans have accused others of just chasing individual glory while they're chasing premierships... Last night was one of the most brazen stat padathons I've ever seen from a player going after an individual award
The bloke almost had a heart attack he was running that hard to get some cheap 1-2s after the game delay. Embarrassing stuff against a team that were genuine traffic cones out there most of the night and clearly already in Cancun.As I said in another thread, Collingwood play every game of every season to the last minute. That's why they've won more games than any other club over the course of history.
What is Daicos meant to do? Realise they won't be contending for the flag with 6 games to go and put the cue in the rack?
That approach has really worked well for Carlton...
There's always going to be debate over these issues. It can be seen as a disadvantage to be a part of a strong side that is full of vote stealing midfielders. But then it can be seen as a disadvantage to play in a terrible team where it is very difficult to get votes in general.Brownlow votes aren't a great metric to go by. What if you're playing alongside three top 20 players in the comp and all are sharing votes. Same goes for coaches votes. Further to that, not all 3 vote games are equal. So without benchmarking the quality of games you can't use votes as a guide.
It's possible to get 1 vote for a 40 and 2 game, and 3 votes for a 30 and 0 game.
Unless you're bnechmarking from the BEST performance in a game you can't use votes.
I think you missed he was the most influential player on the ground which is the most important thing. Don't go by stats. His 1 wood is he makes things happen in situations other players cant more than any other player in the game, Bont maybe excepted. Good example was the set up play to give Jamie Elliott a mark inside 50 in the 3rd Q. Hemmed in on boundary , few moments later he has freed himself and given Elliott a mark on his own inside 50. Thats what makes him greatThe irony after Pies fans have accused others of just chasing individual glory while they're chasing premierships... Last night was one of the most brazen stat padathons I've ever seen from a player going after an individual award
Cripps didn't deserve his last one imo. So as much as he deserves this one, he doesn't deserve two.Shame for who ? If Daicos or Cripps win it, it would be fully deserved by either. Both have had massive years.
It’s quite sad really a 21 year old young man has antagonists.Nick is a rare breed. Doesn't help his antagonists sore feelings with games like last night where there is limited pressure from oppo.
Brownlow votes are largely subjective based on observations. The umpires cant possibly concentrate on the ge AND reliably pick the best players in the short time frame.Brownlow votes are best looked at career tallies and votes per game played. Using a 321 system with 600+ players in the race means the actual winner is often just marginally haead or in some opiions behind the next places. Winning is great but look at careers and votes per game and its much more accurate
The 3 gun mids in the game currently in their prime are a great example. Bont, Cripps and Neale. Go on Brownlow wins and Neale has 2 , Cripps 1 and Bont 0. My guess is most people would assess them as players as Bont1, Neale 2 and Cripps 3 but its close and all are all time greats. Lifetime brownlow votes looks like this
Bont 169 votes 0.83 votes per game
Neale 187 votes 0.82 votes per game
Cripps 141 votes 0.78 votes per game
Daicos is already on 39 votes at 0.92 votes per game. If he gets 26 votes per game this year will go to 1 vote per game and join Bunton as the one player at that level.If he gets 30 votes he will go to 1.06 votes per game passing Bunton as the best votes per game player ever. Extraordinary for a 3rd year player
On the contrary, I love watching them cryIt’s quite sad really a 21 year old young man has antagonists.
I'm with Crit on this. They are not perfect but over time (not just a single season) they generally are good for picking out the best midfielders of the era with total votes and average votes per game being an excellent indicator of performance.Brownlow votes are largely subjective based on observations. The umpires cant possibly concentrate on the ge AND reliably pick the best players in the short time frame.
Generally yes, but Bont having none while Neale could potentially have 3 at the end of this year is a major blemish on the award.I'm with Crit on this. They are not perfect but over time (not just a single season) they generally are good for picking out the best midfielders of the era with total votes and average votes per game being an excellent indicator of performance.
That's an outlier for sure but over the 15 years they both play, there will be times when the Bont would end up with a 3 voter he didn't deserve and Neale would miss out when he deserves votes. It all balances out.Generally yes, but Bont having none while Neale could potentially have 3 at the end of this year is a major blemish on the award.
... and over a game too ...It’s quite sad really a 21 year old young man has antagonists.
Well he doesnt so people are only saying the truth. He is a great offensive player though no doubtOn the contrary, I love watching them cry
"But but but he doesn't put his body on the line"
He did stand under a high ball in the first and copped a big hit from Salem even though he was probably no chance to mark itWell he doesnt so people are only saying the truth. He is a great offensive player though no doubt
All assessments have a large subjective element even before you consider individual bias. Still the Brownlow stacks up well if you let it be what it is. Its imprecise but so is every individual award. The thing I like is that it and the AFLCA award, voted by two different groups with different criteria and voting systems come up with results that correlate well. Every year there is about 7-9 players who are in the top 10 of both awards. They are all midfielder awards and that because the modern game is midfield dominant.Brownlow votes are largely subjective based on observations. The umpires cant possibly concentrate on the ge AND reliably pick the best players in the short time frame.
Weird how you're putting in all this effort to inflate the umpire's award.Brownlow votes are best looked at career tallies and votes per game played. Using a 321 system with 600+ players in the race means the actual winner is often just marginally haead or in some opiions behind the next places. Winning is great but look at careers and votes per game and its much more accurate
The 3 gun mids in the game currently in their prime are a great example. Bont, Cripps and Neale. Go on Brownlow wins and Neale has 2 , Cripps 1 and Bont 0. My guess is most people would assess them as players as Bont1, Neale 2 and Cripps 3 but its close and all are all time greats. Lifetime brownlow votes looks like this
Bont 169 votes 0.83 votes per game
Neale 187 votes 0.82 votes per game
Cripps 141 votes 0.78 votes per game
Daicos is already on 39 votes at 0.92 votes per game. If he gets 26 votes per game this year will go to 1 vote per game and join Bunton as the one player at that level.If he gets 30 votes he will go to 1.06 votes per game passing Bunton as the best votes per game player ever. Extraordinary for a 3rd year player
Dw, If he doesn't win it they'll do everything they can to diminish itWeird how you're putting in all this effort to inflate the umpire's award.
What if he does win it Walshy?Dw, If he doesn't win it they'll do everything they can to diminish it
Umpires award, coaches award, media awards - it'll be the same players up the top of all of them.Weird how you're putting in all this effort to inflate the umpire's award.
I was shocked to see Daicos running his arse off to receive - really out of character - and Collingwood players giving it off to their best user when he'd made good position - really unusual ...The irony after Pies fans have accused others of just chasing individual glory while they're chasing premierships... Last night was one of the most brazen stat padathons I've ever seen from a player going after an individual award
Tipping his head may inflate to Sam McClure levels of enormous and the sun will rise the next day. Figjam will be sweating on Jack Steele to hold Cripps tomorrowWhat if he does win it Walshy?