NFNL 2023 Div 1 discussion

[10571z]

Make player points 35 and watch football competitions change for ever.

Clubs will have to develop their own.

To an extent, clubs will just start poaching juniors.

Also what about clubs without juniors?

 

[NFL INSIDER]

To an extent, clubs will just start poaching juniors.

Also what about clubs without juniors?

Clubs poach juniors now, lower points then salary cap is irrelevant

 

[10571z]

MacCallum from monty gone.

Fair few departures for them.

 

[just ask!!!]

Tynan Smith and Zac McCubbin gone as well.

Well done Saadi another club you’ve stuffed

 

[TigerTime123]

To an extent, clubs will just start poaching juniors.

Also what about clubs without juniors?

Maybe clubs would have to put their money into junior programs rather than paper bags for senior players and start lifting their weight with the development of AFL players!!!
Agreed some clubs do not have a young age demographic to draw on but there are plenty of clubs who chose the easy option and buy in players rather than spend their money on under age programs
Panton Hill with a population of 30 people is fielding an under 19's in 2023 FFS, if they can anyone can!!

 

[TigerTime123]

Yes of course it does. So what’s the point of the cap then besides punish clubs who are honest.

There is no point to the Salary Cap and everyone knows that - A sponsor can buy a player a car under the veil of he is working for me and said player never sets foot in the workplace - Similar examples occur with every league
Set the points at 38 for every club if you want to create a fair playing field for everyone and scrap the salary cap
Let clubs pay what they want but with only 38 points available money & payments are no longer the issue
The NFL will never have the balls to lead the way

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

Maybe clubs would have to put their money into junior programs rather than paper bags for senior players and start lifting their weight with the development of AFL players!!!
Agreed some clubs do not have a young age demographic to draw on but there are plenty of clubs who chose the easy option and buy in players rather than spend their money on under age programs
Panton Hill with a population of 30 people is fielding an under 19's in 2023 FFS, if they can anyone can!!

And what suburbs surround PH, what is their demographic? How multicultural is the area? How many soccer clubs? How many basketball clubs?

Not everything is black and white tiger.

 

[TigerTime123]

And what suburbs surround PH, what is their demographic? How multicultural is the area? How many soccer clubs? How many basketball clubs?

Not everything is black and white tiger.

Yep all valid points and I do accept that there will be exceptions to the rule so maybe leagues take that aspect into consideration and grant those clubs an additional 6 points to enable them to recruit?
Not an exact science but better than a salary cap me thinks

 

[nosecondprize]

There is no point to the Salary Cap and everyone knows that - A sponsor can buy a player a car under the veil of he is working for me and said player never sets foot in the workplace - Similar examples occur with every league
Set the points at 38 for every club if you want to create a fair playing field for everyone and scrap the salary cap
Let clubs pay what they want but with only 38 points available money & payments are no longer the issue
The NFL will never have the balls to lead the way

There is never going to be a fair way to equal the playing field. What then happens to clubs that don't have juniors or only have juniors up to a certain age? They are always going to struggle, as they have no choice but to bring in players from other clubs.

The other point that has already been spoken about. If you reduce points to 35-36. You will find players will just leave to other compeitions or simply just stop playing footy all together. The standard would be appalling. Alot of clubs have great junior programs, doesn't mean they become great senior footballers.

It would also put a stop to a couple of ex AFL or vfl mates going back to a club together. Would be virtually impossible. Way to many negatives for my liking.

 

[Eyes_and_Ears]

Yep all valid points and I do accept that there will be exceptions to the rule so maybe leagues take that aspect into consideration and grant those clubs an additional 6 points to enable them to recruit?
Not an exact science but better than a salary cap me thinks

I agree. Salary cap is a joke. Points is the only fix.

 

[Rusted nuts]

At the moment they have only announced re-signings. No new players yet. You'd hope they have at least a few recruits coming, if not it looks like a 3 way battle for bottom spot. Although I do think Hurstbridge are in a world of trouble

I agree. Salary cap is a joke. Points is the only fix.

Dropping points will destroy club and make it impossible for clubs to rebuild without a junior base in particular clubs in lower grades.

 

[TigerTime123]

Dropping points will destroy club and make it impossible for clubs to rebuild without a junior base in particular clubs in lower grades.

So what is your solution? Continue with the clubs with the most money dominate all leagues?
Come up with solutions if other proposed solutions wont work according to you

 

[10571z]

I don’t see how lowering points fixes all that much besides adding huge advantages to clubs with large junior backings.

There will always be big and small clubs, that’s fine. But when we know as fact a lot of the top clubs are cheating then how will anyone ever catch up unless they do the same

 

[Kick It Billy]

Well done Saadi another club you’ve stuffed

The boy has form.
In the words of an opposition Div 1 coach, he is a flog.

 

[nosecondprize]

I don’t see how lowering points fixes all that much besides adding huge advantages to clubs with large junior backings.

There will always be big and small clubs, that’s fine. But when we know as fact a lot of the top clubs are cheating then how will anyone ever catch up unless they do the same

Spot on. There is no solution without favouring some clubs over others.
You would virtually put a nail in the coffin of clubs who don't have juniors.

Macleod and West Preston have shown you don't need a big bank balance to be the best team in the comp.

 

[Rusted nuts]

So what is your solution? Continue with the clubs with the most money dominate all leagues?
Come up with solutions if other proposed solutions wont work according to you

I don’t claim to have the answer but I’m not sure lowering points is the answer unless a handicap system is introduced. Premiers down to 35, runner up 37, remaining top 5 39, teams outside finals 43 and freshly promoted team 45.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

The South West Football League in Bunbury, WA is the only league I know of with a results-based points system.

It is a 10-team league but in the case of the NFNL, you could re-jig it to rankings based on the previous season, with the runners-up at 1 and the promoted team at 10.

The points scale for players is different to Victoria but the team points totals gives you an idea of the league's intentions.

1 - 31 points
2 - 31 points
3 - 32 points
4 - 33 points
5 - 34 points
6 - 35 points
7 - 36 points
8 - 37 points
9 - 39 points
10 - 39 points

To implement it in Victoria, you could possibly give 1-3 the same points, 4-6 + 1 points, 7-8 +2 points and 9-10 +3 points perhaps with potential dispensation of a couple of points for perennially weak clubs like Nunawading or Longwood.

The other leagues in WA use a set points figure for each club in a league, or in the case of the Perth FL (formerly the Amateurs) grades.

 

[Brass Tap]

Well done Saadi another club you’ve stuffed

What other clubs has he ruined?

 

[Rugbyrobby]

So what is your solution? Continue with the clubs with the most money dominate all leagues?
Come up with solutions if other proposed solutions wont work according to you

Look at what happened when Deer Park were forced to play with a cap of 40 rather than 46 for all other teams .
They haven't won a flag since after winning seven in a row. The points should be 40 for all sides and clubs will adapt.
They used to be 40 but were increased to allow for the ending of the VFL seconds comp. That happened years ago so time to drop it back

 

[10571z]

Look at what happened when Deer Park were forced to play with a cap of 40 rather than 46 for all other teams .
They haven't won a flag since after winning seven in a row. The points should be 40 for all sides and clubs will adapt.
They used to be 40 but were increased to allow for the ending of the VFL seconds comp. That happened years ago so time to drop it back

Pretty sure the money man left deer park. Not points issues

 

[nflfan]

Look at what happened when Deer Park were forced to play with a cap of 40 rather than 46 for all other teams .
They haven't won a flag since after winning seven in a row. The points should be 40 for all sides and clubs will adapt.
They used to be 40 but were increased to allow for the ending of the VFL seconds comp. That happened years ago so time to drop it back

I'm all for a competitive league, but reducing points means you also run the risk of top end talent going to other leagues who have the room to fit them in.

I think Deer Park was an exception due to the $ rumours flying around, plus were the other WRFL clubs in a spot to compete financially at the time? If DP were in the EFL, EDFL, NFNL during that period (was it 7 flags?), would the same outcome have occurred?

This year seeing Shepherd/Zaharakis/Lloyd line up against Gilmore/Smith/Sier or Jong/Honeychurch/Buxton was fantastic. Tom Bell running around controlling games at times. Backlines scrambling to keep Saad locked down, when he wasn't injured. Those type of top end match ups or players are also what makes the NFNL exciting.

Just my food for thought.

 

[Ossie]

Any word on the Chooks coaching appointment

 

[10571z]

Any word on the Chooks coaching appointment

Unbelievably long time to not have a coach.

Clubs have started pre season…

 

[Max Leader]

I'm all for a competitive league, but reducing points means you also run the risk of top end talent going to other leagues who have the room to fit them in.

I think Deer Park was an exception due to the $ rumours flying around, plus were the other WRFL clubs in a spot to compete financially at the time? If DP were in the EFL, EDFL, NFNL during that period (was it 7 flags?), would the same outcome have occurred?

This year seeing Shepherd/Zaharakis/Lloyd line up against Gilmore/Smith/Sier or Jong/Honeychurch/Buxton was fantastic. Tom Bell running around controlling games at times. Backlines scrambling to keep Saad locked down, when he wasn't injured. Those type of top end match ups or players are also what makes the NFNL exciting.

Just my food for thought.

For about 4 teams.

 

[NorthernBastard]

Heard Riddle leaving Boro for Ivanhoe Old Boys in VAFA

Also heard the mid season big dollar $igning didn't go down well with a lot of the playing group, no surprises given reported match fee's and ensuing behaviour