Mitch Clark - The Second Attempt

[bruzaar62]

16 and 20 should be enough.

Brisbane are just exhausting all their options before deadline.

Freo could go even harder and take 20 off the table, which would be fun but not help anything.

Clark's released statement, saying he will have no hesitation going through the PSD, is enough of a threat to force Brisbane's hand imo.

Will not be happy if they get both,I think he's worth # 16 or #20 with something else thrown in ,Freo have got Brissie bent over.......so cant see Bondy parting with both picks

 

[September_Glory]

Will not be happy if they get both,I think he's worth # 16 or #20 with something else thrown in ,Freo have got Brissie bent over.......so cant see Bondy parting with both picks

They've already offered that deal (16+20) and Brisbane are asking for a little more.

Prepare to not be happy.

 

[Leslie_Chow]

They've already offered that deal (16+20) and Brisbane are asking for a little more.

Prepare to not be happy.

No they haven't

They haven't offered either of those picks, even Brisbane have confirmed that

 

[yakka man]

They've already offered that deal (16+20) and Brisbane are asking for a little more.

Prepare to not be happy.

No, Brisbane have said that picks 16 and 20 together has never been on the table.

 

[PapaJ]

Save your arrogance until the actual trade is know. Brisbane were/are always going to use those pick's in the 30's, it's anything after that (ie Freo's 2nd rounder) that would be be unlikely to be used.

I would have thought that even if you pick up just the one pick from Freo that you'll only go as far as pick 30. i.e. picks 8, 16 (from Freo), 29, 30. That would leave 34 down to trade with that in effect Bris wouldn't need. There's even a reasonable chance you'd only need to use the 3.

Just so you don't go too spare if the deal does end up involving those second round picks (which I think it will).

 

[September_Glory]

No they haven't

They haven't offered either of those picks, even Brisbane have confirmed that

No, Brisbane have said that picks 16 and 20 together has never been on the table.

Source?

Must've missed that today.

I tuned into that TWR thingy on afl.com and I'm pretty sure they were discussing Brisbane's rejection of Freo's offer (16+20)...

Regardless, my point still stands. Expecting to give up just one pick for a walk on best 22 KPF/versatile ruckman is overextending your leverage no matter how strong you feel your position is. It's insulting and that will come back to burn you.

 

[yakka man]

Source?

Must've missed that today.

I tuned into that TWR thingy on afl.com and I'm pretty sure they were discussing Brisbane's rejection of Freo's offer (16+20)...

Regardless, my point still stands. Expecting to give up just one pick for a walk on best 22 KPF/versatile ruckman is overextending your leverage no matter how strong you feel your position is. It's insulting and that will come back to burn you.

All over the media, notably Brisbane website via twitter. They have rejected pick 16 on it's own which is stupid, maybe they deserve nothing.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Too bad Clark doesn't love the other clubs. Try and keep up.

He has to go if he nominates for the PSD....

 

[Scotland]

Freo are the only buyer until Monday afternoon.

Clark won't be traded to WC or Melbourne or anywhere else because he doesn't want to be. GWS can offer picks 1, 2 and 3 and if Clark doesn't want to go there the trade won't be done.

He'll either be traded to Freo meaning Freo and Brisbane agree to terms - something Clark doesn't need to be involved in, or he'll enter the PSD - where he may or may not end up at Freo, or he'll re-sign with Brisbane.

 

[September_Glory]

All over the media, notably Brisbane website via twitter.

Yep, you are right.


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"Contrary to some reports, the club confirms that it never received an offer from Freo involving Picks 16 & 20 for Mitch Clark," the Brisbane Lions tweeted this afternoon.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...rk-spurns-melbourne-offer-20111014-1low1.htmlLink

Hmm.... Bond playing it hard, calling Brisbane on all their hard talk BS this week. I like


Am I right to say Melbourne have first dibs on draft day if the deal falls through?
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[yakka man]

Yep, you are right.


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Hmm.... Bond playing it hard, calling Brisbane on all their hard talk BS this week. I like ​

Am I right to say Melbourne have first dibs on draft day if the deal falls through?​

Yep, provided they pass on their last selection in the afl draft. However will the Lions and the Demons risk it? Usually players in the Pre-Season draft end up where they want.

 

[freocuz]

Am I right to say Melbourne have first dibs on draft day if the deal falls through?

They have a pick in the PSD before us, yes. I cannot recall a single instance of a player being picked in the PSD by a club outside of the state he wants to go to, though.

It does appear, however, that the deal is done.

 

[rgauci]

I've mentioned something similar on the lions board but i thought it would add to what is being discussed here.

What does everyone think Melbourne offered Brisbane?

I'm pretty sure it was pick 12 on it's lonesome. The media mentioned the mid-round compensation pick, but i thought it was referring to it as an alternative, not an addition.

Personally i think Freo may have only offered pick 20 plus steakknives. Hence Kerr being pissed off.

We will probably end up offering Pick 16, yes it's slightly unders, he's probably worth around pick 10-12 on the open market. But i don't think an offer of just pick 16 is a slap in the face.

People are talking like he's a world beater, multiple AA winner, he's kicked 27 goals as his best return as a key forward. As a ruckman his best year was 2009 and very very good but Fremantle aren't short of ruckman.

Not sure Pick 16 is that far off the pace? Am I wrong?

 

[Tulip]

Yep, provided they pass on their last selection in the afl draft. However will the Lions and the Demons risk it? Usually players in the Pre-Season draft end up where they want.

His manager confirmed we are in the box seat for Clark if a deal isn't sealed and that he considered the offer for a long time, but ultimately decided he still wants to play in purple. I don't see him quitting football if we pick him up, and I don't see us using more than 2 ND picks

 

[PapaJ]

His manager confirmed we are in the box seat for Clark if a deal isn't sealed and that he considered the offer for a long time, but ultimately decided he still wants to play in purple. I don't see him quitting football if we pick him up, and I don't see us using more than 2 ND picks

I'm not sure what Clark's manager means by 'box seat' - if he means that Melbourne will have a clear shot at Clark in the PSD, well that's true, but they would clearly have to take him against his very publicly stated will. That's a lot of money to throw at a player not willing to be there. I think it's just one of those manager BS throw away lines designed to get clubs talking (in this case Bris and Freo).

I wonder what sort of commission Clark's manager is set to lose with Clark's insistence that he go to Freo ... wouldn't surprise me that's rattling at the back of the managers head.

 

[93567]

I hear that Voss is fuming about Mitch Clark's selfish, unethical behaviour. I know that when I'm angry I like to relax by doing yoga, or by king hitting someone. Has Michael Voss ever tried yoga, or...

What are stones doing in a glass house anyway?

 

[oxyconman]

i told everyone including my fellow demon supporters clark was going to fremantle end of discussion
most people only watch clark a few times a year, i watch a shipload of games and have seen clark heaps - he is a B+ player already

i would of been estatic if he went to melbourne but i knew it was never going to happen

last year he kicked 27 goals 13 behinds from 17 games and that was with bad delivery into the foward line
(he will be a 2 goal a game player for fremantle from CHF and a minor ruck role and pavlich should average 3 goals per game at FF)
you guys wont be underrating clark by the end of next year thats for sure

(dont forget d.jolly was traded for pick 14 even though age was a big factor)


look fremantle want to trade pick 16 and thats it for m.clark

and brisbane want pick 16 and 20 as a minimum (this will be tough now as clark has commited to fremantle and they have the upper hand)

HOWEVER

The Demons checked with the AFL administration yesterday and confirmed that Brisbane would be entitled to a compensation pick if Clark entered the draft and was selected by GWS - which has the first pick in the draft.
This pick would almost certainly be a first-rounder, given the amount of money involved and Clark's age (23).


IMO a deal that both sides would accept under the circumstances would be : pick 16 and pick 20 to brisbane
m.clark, pick 34, pick 52 to fremantle

the later picks matter little to brisbane despite all their delisting and fremantle have delisted 7 players already and need better late draft picks

bris picks would be: 8, 16, 20, 29, 30, 70 and early PSD pick

frem picks would be: 34, 38, 52, 56, 74

 

[Angelus]

HOWEVER

The Demons checked with the AFL administration yesterday and confirmed that Brisbane would be entitled to a compensation pick if Clark entered the draft and was selected by GWS - which has the first pick in the draft.
This pick would almost certainly be a first-rounder, given the amount of money involved and Clark's age (23).

Seems to be in a similar situation to Palmer actually

Cost pick #9 in his original draft.
Clark didn't make top 10 in his clubs B&B (I think it was 15 or 16), which goes a great deal into working out the Compensation Bands.
Injury plagued.
will be getting around $500k a year if he nominates (which also goes a long way into compensation calculations).
Is 23 years old (2 years older than Palmer (which also goes a long way into calculations).
Made AA squad in 09 (achievements count but not as much as other things like age/contract length/$ involved).

So how does it differ to Palmer

Cost pick #7 in his original draft
Not in the top 10 B&F
Injury plagued (Well only 1 knee injury really but meh)
Will be paid $500k by GWS for 4 years
Is 21 years old (2 years younger than Clark)
Won the rising star (achievements count, but not much it seems)

So going by that it would seem to me that Clark would be a Band 3 compensation (end of 1st round) pick.

So by that logic, Pick 16>Band 3 compensation

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Seems to be in a similar situation to Palmer actually
So how does it differ to Palmer.
So going by that it would seem to me that Clark would be a Band 3 compensation (end of 1st round) pick.

So by that logic, Pick 16>Band 3 compensation

What if GWS want him to go to the PSD?

Suggested on the Lions board a Veale type deal is being discussed.

GWS get Luke Power for token end of 1st rounder to the Lions.
Clark goes to GWS via PSD & Lions receive a compensation pick even if it was a Band 3, 2 1st rounders >> 16 or 20.

What did Sheeds say re: Fremantle & treatment of Mark Harvey not so long ago........... if anyone was to do it. Well just putting it out there.
Certainly a long shot.

 

[Angelus]

What if GWS want him to go to the PSD?

Suggested on the Lions board a Veale type deal is being discussed.

GWS get Luke Power for token end of 1st rounder to the Lions.
Clark goes to GWS via PSD & Lions receive a compensation pick even if it was a Band 3, 2 1st rounders >> 16 or 20.

What did Sheeds say re: Fremantle & treatment of Mark Harvey not so long ago........... if anyone was to do it. Well just putting it out there.
Certainly a long shot.

 

[Alfonz]

If GWS want to pay someone who will live in Perth and does not want to play for them, then good luck to them.

It all sounds good in theory, but just seems like another ploy for Brisbane to get as much out of Freo as they can. They've failed with the WC and Melbourne smokescreens, let's see how this one works.

I'd love to see where Vlad and his "spirit of the game" bullshit sits on another Veale type deal as well. He blocked us from getting something dodgy out of that Jaeger deal, so he should block something like this.

 

[oxyconman]

desperate comment from a desperate brisbane supporter

just face it everyone is walking because they want nothing to do with voss


bris will take a deal from freo just accept it
clark + pick 34 + 52 = pick 16 and pick 20 to brisbane

if clark was to enter the pre season draft he would put 2 million on his head for 2 years - GWS would select him and clark would simply request to be traded to freo after 1 season and this same crap would happen all over again (you cant pay a guy 1 million per year for a guy who dosent want to be there)

 

[Loyal Lion]

If GWS want to pay someone who will live in Perth and does not want to play for them, then good luck to them.

It all sounds good in theory, but just seems like another ploy for Brisbane to get as much out of Freo as they can. They've failed with the WC and Melbourne smokescreens, let's see how this one works.

I'd love to see where Vlad and his "spirit of the game" bullshit sits on another Veale type deal as well. He blocked us from getting something dodgy out of that Jaeger deal, so he should block something like this.

Good luck has nothing to do with it. If Clark puts himself into either draft & gets picked up by GWS, he HAS NO other option but to play for them. Thems the rules.

I s'pose he could always say, "If you pick me, I'll retire"! Good luck playing for Peel Thunder in front of 25 people Clarky!

 

[Papa Juggs]

Freo doesn't have to give a good offer.

They can get him in the PSD.

 

[Alfonz]

Good luck has nothing to do with it. If Clark puts himself into either draft & gets picked up by GWS, he HAS NO other option but to play for them. Thems the rules.

I s'pose he could always say, "If you pick me, I'll retire"! Good luck playing for Peel Thunder in front of 25 people Clarky!

Clark can put whatever stipulations he likes into his contract, such as living/training in Perth. He can still make himself available for selection and make sure he gets paid whether he is selected to play or not. He can still walk out on them when his contract his over, or even demand/request a trade after one year. If GWS want to pick him under this scenario, then I repeat, good luck to them.

It wouldn't be the wisest thing career-wise for Clark to effectively sit out of football for 2 years (if it came to that), but on the other side it would be a complete waste for GWS to spend a million or two on someone who doesn't want to play for them.