Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

[sclues]

His first marriage can’t have lasted long (even in 1954 he's not living with his spouse), and (if it is him) he ended up living with (and almost certainly married to) Dawn Hope (nee Cummings) at Mount Isa, Queensland. The electoral roll had them together there in 1977 and 1980. She died and was buried at Mount Isa in 1982.

I chatted with the Collingwood club historian about Ivan Clues a while back, and it's simply not known as to whether or not he is still alive.

Searching for clues on Ivan Clues...

The only record of him in any trees on Ancestry shows a different birth date to what accepted records have. The league / Encyclopedia has Clues born on 10 May 1929, while this tree has him born on 5 October 1929.

The following is a bit of speculation on my behalf, but given Ancestry doesn't allow living people to be searched in trees, and this is the Clues family tree, my mind is turning to one of two conclusions: either Clues has died and the tree owner hasn't listed or made public his death date (it is a private tree), or the tree owner is not particularly au fait with Ancestry and has added Clues manually recently without unticking the 'deceased' button which Ancestry would presume when you are adding someone born in 1929. Not sure, but there might be more out there.

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I guess the only other explanation is that no one knows his death date, if it's already happened?

See below: I'm not convinced the Ivan Noel Clues from Collingwood and the Ivan Clues from Queensland are the same guy.

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There really is nothing else in the Ancestry records to go off, other than the fact he got married in 1949:

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The only thing making me think that the Collingwood and Queensland person might be one and the same is that it appears Clues didn't list his middle name in his marriage certificate, and it was added by an Ancestry user after the fact, so perhaps he was inconsistent in applying his middle name to official documents.

Regardless, I'm none the wiser right now.

P.S. Shout-out to Collingwood Forever who have written a wonderfully detailed article on a two-game player!

hi … I have some information about Ivan. He was my uncle and he died in 2004. I’ve only just applied for his death certificate to see if it has a definitive date of death. All I currently have is a letter from the NSW Coroner stating that Ivan died ‘sometime between 07/04/2004 and 14/04/2004.

I recall that Ivan lived in Mt Isa, working in the mines up there but there are long periods of time where he was not in touch with his family and he was living in Surrey Hills, NSW when he died.

 

[35Daicos]

hi … I have some information about Ivan. He was my uncle and he died in 2004. I’ve only just applied for his death certificate to see if it has a definitive date of death. All I currently have is a letter from the NSW Coroner stating that Ivan died ‘sometime between 07/04/2004 and 14/04/2004.

I recall that Ivan lived in Mt Isa, working in the mines up there but there are long periods of time where he was not in touch with his family and he was living in Surrey Hills, NSW when he died.

Thank you very much indeed for that. I really appreciate you making contact. I will pass that on to the relevant people at Collingwood. If you do find out the exact date of death please let us know.

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

Barry Cougle (Geelong) died in 2018 with death date from his grave shown as 13 April 2018
Full name was Barry Guilford Frith Cougle

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[WhiteHartLane23]

Brian Lambert (Haw) died on 26 Dec 2017 - as per cemetery record from Springvale Botanical Cemetery
Full name was Brian Francis Lambert
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[GreyCrow]

Table update with our most recent new finds. I also added Ray Hutchins and Ernie Collihole to the missing DOD list.

Missing dates of death for V/AFL footballers as at 28 February 2024



Possibly living (born pre-1930) V/AFL footballers as at 28 February 2024

Player name	Full name	D.O.B.	Career	Notes
Angus Abbey	Angus Maxwell Abbey	15 Nov 1925	Foot 1949–54
Jack Atkinson	[?]	23 Jun 1928	Rich 1950
Lindsay Baglin	Lindsay Gordon Baglin	2 Mar 1929	Foot 1947 NM 1949
Des Bell	Desmond Clyde Bell	23 May 1923	Melb 1946–48	⬥ Alive in Aug 2022
Ivan Clues	Ivan Noel Clues	10 May 1929	Coll 1951	⬥ Married in 1949, likely divorced by 1954 ⬥ Appears to have been living in Mt Isa in 1980 ⬥ Collingwood FC unsure on his current whereabouts
Greg Dean	[?]	14 Oct 1928	StK 1949–50
Norm Edwards	[?]	23 Oct 1928	Foot 1950–51
Arthur Fitt	Arthur Aloysius Fitt Jr.	12 Feb 1928	Fitz 1950
Nick Gelavis	Nikolas Gelavis	15 Jun 1929	SM 1953–54 Foot 1954
Brian Gilmore	Brian R. Gilmore	1 Dec 1929	Ess 1950–53 StK 1955
Max Glass	Maxwell Herbert Glass	2 Oct 1925	SM 1945	⬥ Last confirmed existence in Jan 1999 (possibly near Coffs Harbour) ⬥ Living in Rye, 1980 (electoral roll), has a son also named Maxwell (John)
Eddie Goodger	Edmund James Goodger	10 Mar 1929	Fitz 1949–58
Gordon Green	Gordon Stanley Green	31 May 1925	NM 1942	⬥ Alive in Jul 2018
Barry Griffiths	Barry McIntosh Griffiths	12 Jul 1929	Haw 1950–52	⬥ Originally from Canterbury ⬥ Lived in Ashburton, played for East. Suburban Churches ⬥ Possibly thought to be Barry Joseph Griffiths (unlikely) ⬥ Listed in 1953 article as 22 y.o., conflicts with 1929 DOB ⬥ Transferred from Oakleigh to Albury in 1954 ⬥ Played with Acton in Canberra in 1959 ⬥ Strong match for Barry McIntosh re: locations etc.
Doug Guy	Douglas George Guy	21 Nov 1929	Carl 1950–53
Les Jarry	[?]	28 Sep 1928	SM 1948–49
Andy Larkins	[?]	30 Oct 1928	Geel 1950
Greg Lourey	[?]	1 Aug 1927	Melb 1948; 1950 Fitz 1951–52
Jack MacDonald	Jack R. MacDonald	16 May 1927	Haw 1951–53	⬥ Originally from Carey Grammar / Camberwell ⬥ Also played for Creswick and Glen Iris ⬥ Coached at Powelltown
Jim Miller	James Henry Miller	30 May 1919	Foot 1938–48	⬥ Alive in Jun 2023
Tom Miller	[?]	3 Jul 1928	Foot 1947–50
Wally Nash	[?]	10 Jun 1929	Haw 1953–54
Frank Pattison	Francis Xavier Pattison	29 Sep 1928	StK 1951
Fred Payne	Frederick Ronald Payne	4 Feb 1927	Ess 1949–53	⬥ Alive in Feb 2024
Harry Paynter	Henry Charles Paynter	17 Sep 1927	Coll 1950	⬥ Alive in Feb 2024
Jim Rattray	[?]	22 Aug 1929	Haw 1949–52
Bill Redmond	William George Arthur Redmond	29 May 1927	Carl 1947–48
Cliff Riley	Clifford David Riley	2 Feb 1927	StK 1951–52
Don Scott	Donald Rex Scott	5 Nov 1929	SM 1950–54
Jack Storey	John Ivan Storey	1 Jul 1929	Foot 1948–49
Jack Taylor	[?]	9 May 1924	Haw 1945	⬥ Originally from Melbourne High School ⬥ Lived in Ashburton, played for Glen Ormond
Bob Templeton	[?]	25 Oct 1927	Foot 1947–49; 1953
Jack Thomson	[?]	22 Jan 1929	Melb 1949–53
Ron Warren	[?]	5 Oct 1928	Geel 1949
Kevin Webb	[?]	2 Oct 1928	Rich 1949 Melb 1951
Brian Williamson	[?]	9 Dec 1928	NM 1947

Les Jarry aka Leslie Alexander Jarry passed away 16/10/2024

Herald Sun

Leslie Alexander Jarry
28/9/1928 - 16/10/2024
Passed away peacefully at Footscray Hospital aged 96.
Much loved husband of Marj (dec).

SUMMARY : Les Jarry DOB 28/9/1928 passed away 16/10/2024 Birth Name Leslie Alexander Jarry

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[35Daicos]

Les Jarry aka Leslie Alexander Jarry passed away 16/10/2024

Herald Sun

Leslie Alexander Jarry
28/9/1928 - 16/10/2024
Passed away peacefully at Footscray Hospital aged 96.
Much loved husband of Marj (dec).

SUMMARY : Les Jarry DOB 28/9/1928 passed away 16/10/2024 Birth Name Leslie Alexander Jarry

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I see Harry Paynter is still on one of those lists, but he died back in April: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/recent-deaths.1186497/page-31#post-83081026


His Wiki page hasn't been updated either, so can somebody please do that.

 

[GreyCrow]

I see Harry Paynter is still on one of those lists, but he died back in April: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/recent-deaths.1186497/page-31#post-83081026
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His Wiki page hasn't been updated either, so can somebody please do that.

Bob Templeton is still alive on the list Gibbsy - but passed July

(just to stop people searching )

 

[Gibbsy]

Bob Templeton is still alive on the list Gibbsy - but passed July

(just to stop people searching )

Ta. I haven't updated that in a while, will get to it tonight!