Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[Algorithmic Hot Takes]

The Knights era was worse but even then we could beat a high quality opponent?

We're worse than anytime since the Knights era, but the Knights era was worse?
Doesn't matter, if you think Scott is a crap coach, good for you.
I'll wait for a few more data points.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Do you have a substantive response or not?

If my strawmen aren't accurate isn't you're whole position a Hail Mary?

What am I exactly responding too?

 

[BrunoV]

We're worse than anytime since the Knights era, but the Knights era was worse?
Doesn't matter, if you think Scott is a crap coach, good for you.
I'll wait for a few more data points.

You seem to think that beating an opponent which is good on paper is consistent with being a good side or something to that effect.

It was an example of how an even worse side can still achieve a good result.

I'm done with this stupid conversation.

 

[dank420_]

He'll be back.

 

[Beerfish]

He'll be back.

And in greater numbers (of words).

 

[Algorithmic Hot Takes]

You seem to think that beating an opponent which is good on paper is consistent with being a good side or something to that effect.

It was an example of how an even worse side can still achieve a good result.

I'm done with this stupid conversation.

I never made the hyperbolic claims about being the worst since Knights or being a good side, so I think you may have had a different conversation internally than is recorded on the internet.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

You seem to think that beating an opponent which is good on paper is consistent with being a good side or something to that effect.

It was an example of how an even worse side can still achieve a good result.

I'm done with this stupid conversation.

What’s stupid about it? In 25,000 words or less. And go.

 

[ant555]

And in greater numbers (of words).

And you will have to read them

 

[Godzke]

Too busy with his own set up.

‘Heartbroken’ former AFL star Alex Rance closes elite football academy

The decision to close the AFL-focused senior school leaves year 11 students scrambling to find a place to finish their studies next year.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Beerfish]

And you will have to read them

 

[Kong]

‘Heartbroken’ former AFL star Alex Rance closes elite football academy

The decision to close the AFL-focused senior school leaves year 11 students scrambling to find a place to finish their studies next year.

www.theage.com.au

"AFL focused school", Jesus Christ.

Surprised that ever had VCAL accreditation to begin with.

 

[faible]

"AFL focused school", Jesus Christ.

Surprised that ever had VCAL accreditation to begin with.

Isn't it a similar concept to this kind of school?

MSA

sportsacademy.maribsc.vic.edu.au

 

[Vander18]

Too busy with his own set up.

Not anymore

 

[ant555]

Not anymore

I know that now . It was the reason he only did a summer with us .

 

[Zach Package]

Isn't it a similar concept to this kind of school?

MSA

sportsacademy.maribsc.vic.edu.au

That and a couple of other similar programs like Rowville are campuses of established secondary schools and it’s just school except they give you flexibility to work around any rep games or competitions you need to travel for.

This sound much worse.

 

[andleanback]

"AFL focused school", Jesus Christ.

Surprised that ever had VCAL accreditation to begin with.

Yep filled will kids that think they’re good enough to play afl but really are a mile off

 

[Zach Package]

Yep filled will kids that think they’re good enough to play afl but really are a mile off

To add to the above, bit of cursory googling says that 'The Academy' was charging almost 8k a year for whatever it is that they were doing.

Maribyrnong and Rowville operate on standard gov school fees and then you chip in a little extra for uniforms, equipment etc for sports stuff.

So you get all the stuff you get from a normal state school, a normal state school education and then extra specialist coaching from proper coaches, Danny Sexton runs the Maribyrnong program and Darren Bewick runs it at Rowville and they churn out AFL players. Lewis Hayes, D'Ambrosio and Wright all came through these programs.

The more you read into it the more it looks like a Sam Bankman-Fried or Fyre Fest style 'I have no idea what I'm doing and it's going to cost you' type scenario.

 

[justlookingaround]

Before everyone jumps in and says ‘the benefits of altitude training are negligible at best’.

The point is that they are doing extra work

I was in SLC last year and both me and my SO found even just walking around to get the heart pumping a fair bit harder than usual. (both relatively fit late 20s)
Maybe it doesn't have longterm impacts, but it's definitely harder than exercising at sea level.

 

[frodos gardener]

The more you read into it the more it looks like a Sam Bankman-Fried or Fyre Fest style 'I have no idea what I'm doing and it's going to cost you' type scenario.

Yeah, it seems like their plans to “scale up” were banking on govt grants/funding that never came and hence the “COVID impacts” commentary.

 

[Howard Moon]

I was in SLC last year and both me and my SO found even just walking around to get the heart pumping a fair bit harder than usual. (both relatively fit late 20s)
Maybe it doesn't have longterm impacts, but it's definitely harder than exercising at sea level.

Reckon it's just like a sugar rush, after puffing and panting for a few weeks in la paz then going back to sea level , felt like an aerobic super hero for a few days then it went back to normal programming pretty quick.

I don't see how it can help physiologically, I mean doseht more oxygen to the blood and muscles create health benefits? Isn't there way less O2 up there's to gasp in? If anything it must just be lung capacity that grows but is probably fleeting.

Disclaimer, I know nothing..

 

[faible]

Reckon it's just like a sugar rush, after puffing and panting for a few weeks in la paz then going back to sea level , felt like an aerobic super hero for a few days then it went back to normal programming pretty quick.

I don't see how it can help physiologically, I mean doseht more oxygen to the blood and muscles create health benefits? Isn't there way less O2 up there's to gasp in? If anything it must just be lung capacity that grows but is probably fleeting.

Disclaimer, I know nothing..

From memory there's a short term boost to red blood cell count which allows more oxygen to be carried to compensate for the lower amount of oxygen at altitude which means at sea level you carry more oxygen total, so in terms of training for say, a marathon, where you can benefit from the short-term boost, it can be a thing (assuming you can maintain fitness training at altitude).

For AFL there's no long-term benefit specifically from the altitude training (which is why clubs stopped doing it) to justify the cost of travelling overseas to do it, but that players are going off and doing an actual training camp in their off-season is the more important part. I don't really care where they do it, just that they're doing it. If going and doing it overseas at altitude is what motivates them to train hard and come back in better shape than they finished the season, go for it.

 

[P Money]

Isn't this what Lance Armstrong was doing? Exercising in artificial 'high altitude' and harvesting his blood which was packed with oxygen/red blood cells, then doing a sneaky little transfusion at the starting line of the tour?

 

[faible]

Isn't this what Lance Armstrong was doing? Exercising in artificial 'high altitude' and harvesting his blood which was packed with oxygen/red blood cells, then doing a sneaky little transfusion at the starting line of the tour?

Among a few other things he was doing, yep.

There's high altitude facilities in Melbourne if you wanted to do similar!

 

[Zach Package]

From memory there's a short term boost to red blood cell count which allows more oxygen to be carried to compensate for the lower amount of oxygen at altitude which means at sea level you carry more oxygen total, so in terms of training for say, a marathon, where you can benefit from the short-term boost, it can be a thing (assuming you can maintain fitness training at altitude).

For AFL there's no long-term benefit specifically from the altitude training (which is why clubs stopped doing it) to justify the cost of travelling overseas to do it, but that players are going off and doing an actual training camp in their off-season is the more important part. I don't really care where they do it, just that they're doing it. If going and doing it overseas at altitude is what motivates them to train hard and come back in better shape than they finished the season, go for it.

I thought the generally accepted wisdom is that you take those short term benefits into your regular pre season and use it as a jump start to push yourself further than you otherwise could.

The whole thing is probably hokum and a placebo effect though, but other clubs have done it while we haven't been doing it and they all look more aerobically capable than us.

 

[faible]

I thought the generally accepted wisdom is that you take those short term benefits into your regular pre season and use it as a jump start to push yourself further than you otherwise could.

The whole thing is probably hokum and a placebo effect though, but other clubs have done it while we haven't been doing it and they all look more aerobically capable than us.

It's more likely the benefit of actually having gone and done the training camp rather than specifically having it at altitude.

It's also highly effective to train in heat, which is much cheaper and more easily accessible during the pre-season period for AFL.

Clubs have started and stopped the altitude training, a few have gone for some more heat type stuff flying up to QLD during the summer pre-season window instead.