Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott

[jmoo wan]

Before everyone jumps in and says ‘the benefits of altitude training are negligible at best’.

The point is that they are doing extra work

plus it’s smart tax wise to have a “training” overseas vacay rather than an end of season trip

 

[bomberlegend2007]

How is it a weird response?

You wanted to school me about leadership of organisations as a way of supporting Scott's handling of the season.

You specifically made it about me, inferring both that I dont know anything and that we should defer to the all knowing experts, it seeming to be the case that you might consider yourself to be one of the all knowing experts.

I was simply sarcastically illustrating how, if it was up to me, the person who knows nothing and is not an expert, we would not have wasted a year to get to the point that the coach is 'laying down the law' or 'hitting people in the eyes' one season into his tenure.

You've lost yourself in your own strawman. I don't recall, even while being hyperbolic, suggesting that being angry, aggressive, rude or disrespectful toward anyone is how Scott or anyone else should approach this situation.

The reason the strawman is important is because it seems to be the reason you can't envisage any approach, other than for Scott to leave the rot in the place. Everything else seems to involve an unreasonable confrontation.

There are at least 2 major problems with this position:

1) influential senior players asked for intervention. Scott had a licence to demand change immediately but decided not to be the firm hand these players (one of whom was made captain) requested;

2) there is no need for confrontation. I assume Lyon doesn't give 2 shits about anything that's gone past that is inconsistent with what he expects. It's made clear what the expectations are and you can forget about a spot if you fall below those expectations. By the time he is confrontational, if at all, I doubt there is anyone who disagrees with him. There is then team selection. Contrast these standards and the immediate implementation of sustainable football with our football becoming ultimately less sustainable because our transition game is currently further from where it needs to be than it was 12 to 24 months ago.

Why am I so confident in my position?

Take a step back and see what is staring you and everyone else in the face. Scott cracked the shits post R24.

Does that sound like he is satisfied with standards throughout the season?

Did he do that because of 1 or 2 games? Our last 6 weeks was deplorable. There wasn't much before that this side of the by. Honestly, if I haven't already said it in this thread, we are worse now than at any point post Knight. When I say that I'm talking about the overall style of play. I don't care for results the oddities of a draw can throw up unless we're ticking off fundamentals (e.g. the hard ball, forward pressure, tackling intensity and 2 way defensive substance). Everything else is noise, junk that confuses commentators and experts like David King.

You and others are patting Scott on the back for being a year late and letting things get to the point that he needed to be confrontational.

You're also operating on the assumption
that this becomes the start of the new dawn that finally gets us on track.

At this point in time that's hope based on Scott now starting to implement change. How about we see some of that change first? To this point everything he has done is geared toward less focus on hardball, less focus on forward pressure and the defensive transition.

Are you starting to see how the players standards were allowed to be poor? I believe actions speak louder than words. So when you let players get away with a system of play that is weaker than what it was, you're sending a signal that they are fundamentally on the right track. Once you do that you're not improving anything, people dont just change because you tell them they should. I've got enough life experience to know that to be true.

Where did I say I was an expert? I actually said “I could be wrong.”

Where did I pat Scott on the back?

Where did I say this would get us on the right track? I believe I said roughly “it may not even work out, but I’m willing to give him more than a year to turn it around.”

Bruno, for someone who doesn’t like the use of the straw man arguments, you have done a lot of it here.

 

[Zach Package]

At least it is not fire walking!

Could be sword sword swallowing or lion taming

 

[FlyingV]

plus it’s smart tax wise to have a “training” overseas vacay rather than an end of season trip

Still waiting to have a positively geared season

 

[BrunoV]

Didn't Knights coach in 2009? So, that's not post Knights...Feels like that's an irrelevant stat to use for team being weaker than any time post Knights.

The Knights era was worse but even then we could beat a high quality opponent?

 

[BrunoV]

Where did I say I was an expert? I actually said “I could be wrong.”

Where did I pat Scott on the back?

Where did I say this would get us on the right track? I believe I said roughly “it may not even work out, but I’m willing to give him more than a year to turn it around.”

Bruno, for someone who doesn’t like the use of the straw man arguments, you have done a lot of it here.

Do you have a substantive response or not?

If my strawmen aren't accurate isn't you're whole position a Hail Mary?

 

[Algorithmic Hot Takes]

The Knights era was worse but even then we could beat a high quality opponent?

We're worse than anytime since the Knights era, but the Knights era was worse?
Doesn't matter, if you think Scott is a crap coach, good for you.
I'll wait for a few more data points.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Do you have a substantive response or not?

If my strawmen aren't accurate isn't you're whole position a Hail Mary?

What am I exactly responding too?

 

[BrunoV]

We're worse than anytime since the Knights era, but the Knights era was worse?
Doesn't matter, if you think Scott is a crap coach, good for you.
I'll wait for a few more data points.

You seem to think that beating an opponent which is good on paper is consistent with being a good side or something to that effect.

It was an example of how an even worse side can still achieve a good result.

I'm done with this stupid conversation.

 

[dank420_]

He'll be back.

 

[Beerfish]

He'll be back.

And in greater numbers (of words).

 

[Algorithmic Hot Takes]

You seem to think that beating an opponent which is good on paper is consistent with being a good side or something to that effect.

It was an example of how an even worse side can still achieve a good result.

I'm done with this stupid conversation.

I never made the hyperbolic claims about being the worst since Knights or being a good side, so I think you may have had a different conversation internally than is recorded on the internet.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

You seem to think that beating an opponent which is good on paper is consistent with being a good side or something to that effect.

It was an example of how an even worse side can still achieve a good result.

I'm done with this stupid conversation.

What’s stupid about it? In 25,000 words or less. And go.

 

[ant555]

And in greater numbers (of words).

And you will have to read them

 

[Godzke]

Too busy with his own set up.

‘Heartbroken’ former AFL star Alex Rance closes elite football academy

The decision to close the AFL-focused senior school leaves year 11 students scrambling to find a place to finish their studies next year.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Beerfish]

And you will have to read them

 

[Kong]

‘Heartbroken’ former AFL star Alex Rance closes elite football academy

The decision to close the AFL-focused senior school leaves year 11 students scrambling to find a place to finish their studies next year.

www.theage.com.au

"AFL focused school", Jesus Christ.

Surprised that ever had VCAL accreditation to begin with.

 

[faible]

"AFL focused school", Jesus Christ.

Surprised that ever had VCAL accreditation to begin with.

Isn't it a similar concept to this kind of school?

MSA

sportsacademy.maribsc.vic.edu.au

 

[Vander18]

Too busy with his own set up.

Not anymore

 

[ant555]

Not anymore

I know that now . It was the reason he only did a summer with us .

 

[Zach Package]

Isn't it a similar concept to this kind of school?

MSA

sportsacademy.maribsc.vic.edu.au

That and a couple of other similar programs like Rowville are campuses of established secondary schools and it’s just school except they give you flexibility to work around any rep games or competitions you need to travel for.

This sound much worse.

 

[andleanback]

"AFL focused school", Jesus Christ.

Surprised that ever had VCAL accreditation to begin with.

Yep filled will kids that think they’re good enough to play afl but really are a mile off

 

[Zach Package]

Yep filled will kids that think they’re good enough to play afl but really are a mile off

To add to the above, bit of cursory googling says that 'The Academy' was charging almost 8k a year for whatever it is that they were doing.

Maribyrnong and Rowville operate on standard gov school fees and then you chip in a little extra for uniforms, equipment etc for sports stuff.

So you get all the stuff you get from a normal state school, a normal state school education and then extra specialist coaching from proper coaches, Danny Sexton runs the Maribyrnong program and Darren Bewick runs it at Rowville and they churn out AFL players. Lewis Hayes, D'Ambrosio and Wright all came through these programs.

The more you read into it the more it looks like a Sam Bankman-Fried or Fyre Fest style 'I have no idea what I'm doing and it's going to cost you' type scenario.

 

[justlookingaround]

Before everyone jumps in and says ‘the benefits of altitude training are negligible at best’.

The point is that they are doing extra work

I was in SLC last year and both me and my SO found even just walking around to get the heart pumping a fair bit harder than usual. (both relatively fit late 20s)
Maybe it doesn't have longterm impacts, but it's definitely harder than exercising at sea level.

 

[frodos gardener]

The more you read into it the more it looks like a Sam Bankman-Fried or Fyre Fest style 'I have no idea what I'm doing and it's going to cost you' type scenario.

Yeah, it seems like their plans to “scale up” were banking on govt grants/funding that never came and hence the “COVID impacts” commentary.