Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott - Will appear on AFL360 coaches night on Monday 24th

[ant555]

I have zero issues with it

we need to stop acting like brads in his first year and like hes got this mountain of shit to deal with all of a sudden.

he isn't and he doesn't.

He is starting his 3rd year of a 4-year deal. He has had 2 full seasons to show some type of improvement, and he hasn't. He and we deserve every single bit of pressure that comes our way. And it's going to come harder than it otherwise would have because we stupidly extended the guy based of nothing but a whim.

So the fact that the drafts that we are supposedly hanging our hats on as the future are okay then.
Scott was employed to by the club to do two things. Improve the professionalism of the football program and develop the so called young talent. First part is on track.
Second part is. Well it is hardly his fault that the 2020 to 2022 drafts have produced squat.
Yes it is year three but the fact is the CEO and the list manager have decided to do a longer rebuild as they have got nothing out of the last one.
They could sack another coach but it will make little difference to where the list is at.
The last list manager screwed us and the board chased a coach that had not really done a deep dive into the list which wasted a season and the board where also pumping up the list as being good but underperforming.
The classic example of why we are where we are is Perkins. He has finally had a full on tick every box pre season but being fully fit and focused can only take you so far. You have to have some sort of football IQ.

Should not have got an extension but the simple fact is the CEO and new list manager have set up to do more of a build after last season’s wipe out. They have stopped drinking Barham’s list cool aid and basically said we are miles off it. That is why they made the draft pick swaps they did. It is why Stringer and Laverde were not offered extensions. It is why the Draper for 6 years is not signed and it will be why a few of the players on longer term deals will be shopped around at the end of the season.

 

[div12ressie]

Alright last melting post about Brad Scott I swear... (until we lose to a team like Richmond/North later this year).

What do you guys actually like about him? I'm struggling to find any positives apart from him bringing in 'stability' (cant he just do that in an administrative role)

 

[jdstorm]

We're in good hands in that regard. The media generally thinks we're good (because it is made up of people who could not pretend to be as clueless as they are). So the blow torch should come even if it is for the wrong reasons.

The question here is not, as it will be framed, how has Essendon regressed from the side that was top 4 by by round #x 2024. The question is: how did we get to February 2025 with a list full of 21 to 30 year olds needing to start preaching patience and stability? What was Scott doing in years 1 and 2 and how did he manage to avoid making a single difficult list management decision in 2 seasons?

If you were the media and wanted to back Essendon into a corner to generate headlines and drag the club through the mud, as it deserves, you'd start to ask questions about how Scott came to be appointed. It is so ****ing obvious that he did not have the first idea for a vision of what he wanted to do. And yet this was the guy:

1.the independent panel of experts (who didn't even interview him) was convinced by;

2. who has since had his contract unnecessarily extended by an executive regime that didn't even appoint him in the first place.

Someone needs to be explain all of this in the process of tendering his resignation.

If these w***ers can't be honest with us why do we assume they are honest with themselves? Haven't we been through this enough times, now?

We’ve turned over almost 40% of the list in the last 2 seasons. We haven’t moved off more because we’ve been chasing value. Ie potential Hobbs, Laverde, wright and Sheil trades falling through last offseason.

Scott while having his flaws and hipocricies does have the team developing more professional habits.

just got to give it more time.

Edit: div12ressie

What I like about Scott is how he’s been able to play the political games at Essendon and not get fired. Supporting the coach means players are accountable for poor performances rather than the coach which is a welcome change.

I also like that as a coach he’s willing to adapt to information. Try things and if they don’t work he tries something else.

I think there’s 3 types of coaches. Coaches that make teams better. Coaches that can get out of the way of talent and win premierships and coaches that make things worse. I think Scott’s a type 2 coach. Neutral and able to not hinder success if there’s enough there

 

[div12ressie]

 

[ghostdog]

I have zero issues with it

we need to stop acting like brads in his first year and like hes got this mountain of shit to deal with all of a sudden.

he isn't and he doesn't.

He is starting his 3rd year of a 4-year deal. He has had 2 full seasons to show some type of improvement, and he hasn't. He and we deserve every single bit of pressure that comes our way. And it's going to come harder than it otherwise would have because we stupidly extended the guy based of nothing but a whim.

So, you don't think he has a mountain of shit to deal with? And you think the list of experienced players we have is capable of playing better, improved football?
Delusional.
Vozzo, Barham, Rosa and Scott know full well we've seen those players' ceiling. They know the list needs gutting. They know it will take time and I reckon they've thought by extending Brad it shows their faith that he can make a good start at what the club has refused to do for the last 20 years; turn the list over and fix the culture. That is called dealing with a mountain of shit.

 

[ant555]

Alright last melting post about Brad Scott I swear... (until we lose to a team like Richmond/North later this year).

What do you guys actually like about him? I'm struggling to find any positives apart from him bringing in 'stability' (cant he just do that in an administrative role)

I am not sure it is what people like about him. Most were not in favour of an extension.
My view is it doesn’t matter who coaches us right now. The players of the future that we have drafted , Cox , Perkins , Reid , Hobbs , Tsatas etc have serious question on them.
Having seen the difference in training levels personally I can say that has improved 200%.
Have not seen a lot as far as match day coach goes and there have been some selection stuff ups as well.
The reality is the last little build has given us nothing and that is not on the coach. Yes a few players that Scott has had a role in getting are average or poor but it is a mid range list built with no real plan which is why we play the way we do.

 

[ant555]

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A lot of them have worked at several different clubs and some were here before Scott. On top of that North at the time at least won a few finals with a battlers list and budget.

 

[JayJ20]

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What part of North's last 20 years made us believe we need to employ their Psychologist?!

 

[Phone]

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look as long as 34 players don't get banned for doping, this will work out better than the last time an essendon coach brought over all his friends, so this is tracking pretty well so far I'd say

 

[Phone]

look as long as 34 players don't get banned for doping, this will work out better than the last time an essendon coach brought over all his friends, so this is tracking pretty well so far I'd say

if 35 players get banned for doping under brad scott i will admit my mistake

 

[HirdyLannister]

Our cattle is the major issue. Not the coach.

Dodo fingers will continue to **** this club for the next 5 years.

 

[BrunoV]

Alright last melting post about Brad Scott I swear... (until we lose to a team like Richmond/North later this year).

What do you guys actually like about him? I'm struggling to find any positives apart from him bringing in 'stability' (cant he just do that in an administrative role)

At North he did a few things tactically that it would have been good to bring with him:

1. Fanatical attituted toward the hard ball;

2. pretty sophisticated approach to negating opposition strengths.

If fairness he's still pretty good at 2.

He'd otherwise been doing the job of 1.5 people as a result of resourcing issues, which must have given him a broad base of experience, more like a GM. It's this experience that made it a legitimate decision to leave it all up to him to sort out, assuming that he could convince anyone he was still engaged. He has misread what Essendon has needed, on basically every key issue. X

He's grown into a useless Zen caricature of the coach who was pretty good.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

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Quoting my own post because Lloyd does a fantastic job of highlighting the structural issues with our defence. Yes the individual skills and effort also weren't up to scratch, but Jesus Christ this is damning.

The Footy Show also highlighted poor defensive efforts of Merrett.

It’s insidious at Essendon.

 

[yodellinhank]

Brad was on the edge in the press conference. Seemed like he was busting his arse trying not to rip the throat out of journos asking why we were so shit

The Essendon Edge.

 

[yodellinhank]

hope the media goes hard on scott this year if we fail to get some decent wins

Barham already sorted it, there will be no pressure.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

So, you don't think he has a mountain of shit to deal with? And you think the list of experienced players we have is capable of playing better, improved football?
Delusional.
Vozzo, Barham, Rosa and Scott know full well we've seen those players' ceiling. They know the list needs gutting. They know it will take time and I reckon they've thought by extending Brad it shows their faith that he can make a good start at what the club has refused to do for the last 20 years; turn the list over and fix the culture. That is called dealing with a mountain of shit.

I never said any of that. But after 2 years we need to see at least some improvement, not just all regression. Our list was garbage 2 years ago, it has not all of a sudden become crap now.

my point is extending him was of utter stupidity. Has done not a thing to warrant it.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

So the fact that the drafts that we are supposedly hanging our hats on as the future are okay then.
Scott was employed to by the club to do two things. Improve the professionalism of the football program and develop the so called young talent. First part is on track.
Second part is. Well it is hardly his fault that the 2020 to 2022 drafts have produced squat.
Yes it is year three but the fact is the CEO and the list manager have decided to do a longer rebuild as they have got nothing out of the last one.
They could sack another coach but it will make little difference to where the list is at.
The last list manager screwed us and the board chased a coach that had not really done a deep dive into the list which wasted a season and the board where also pumping up the list as being good but underperforming.
The classic example of why we are where we are is Perkins. He has finally had a full on tick every box pre season but being fully fit and focused can only take you so far. You have to have some sort of football IQ.

Should not have got an extension but the simple fact is the CEO and new list manager have set up to do more of a build after last season’s wipe out. They have stopped drinking Barham’s list cool aid and basically said we are miles off it. That is why they made the draft pick swaps they did. It is why Stringer and Laverde were not offered extensions. It is why the Draper for 6 years is not signed and it will be why a few of the players on longer term deals will be shopped around at the end of the season.

never asked them to sack Scott.

simply saying he should not have been given an extension. it was another bad decision in a never-ending run of bad decisions for this club.

Utterly bizzare decision 3 weeks ago, and even more bizzare now.

 

[Vindicater]

Need to seriously look at.

Development coach
Defense coach
Draft team

 

[faynyfe]

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Was there honestly, truly no one on the board at Essendon that thought "maybe we shouldn't recruit so many members from a basket case club like North?"
Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. This club has a disease and it needs eradicating.

 

[JayJ20]

Was there honestly, truly no one on the board at Essendon that thought "maybe we shouldn't recruit so many members from a basket case club like North?"
Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. This club has a disease and it needs eradicating.

We tried taking from dynasties like Geelong and Richmond. When that didn't work, we tried reverse psychology.

 

[Lore]

Was there honestly, truly no one on the board at Essendon that thought "maybe we shouldn't recruit so many members from a basket case club like North?"
Mediocrity breeds mediocrity. This club has a disease and it needs eradicating.

We didn’t recruit them in bulk from North, someone is just having a laugh trying to count them as if it might be meaningful to rummage through linkedin looking for anyone who ever worked at both clubs.

Thing is that you have a lot of mobility between jobs at sporting clubs because a lot of those jobs are low paid/casual/internships, or gig work. Particularly allied health jobs, trainers, game day roles and anything related to AFLW.

Essendon employs a couple hundred people, so it’s really easy to find a physio and a couple of admin people, a coach and a player or two that just happened to work at another club at some point in the past (not necessarily all at once). If you started counting all the people we’ve brought in over the last few years who had at one time worked for St Kilda or Richmond or GWS or Geelong you’d have a similar number, it’s just the industry.

In terms of the specific list, McPherson was only at North for one season and not at the same time as Brad Scott, he was at Melbourne before that and for a lot longer. His connection at Essendon was Josh Mahoney via Melbourne.

Rath and Robbins are the two that Brad actually brought to Essendon. David Rath was at Hawthorn during their premiership years and then at St Kilda. He also worked with the Wallabies during the rugby World Cup. North doesn’t even rate a mention on his CV, but he did know Scott from there. Ben Robbins was at North for a few years a while back and then went to St Kilda for a few years after that. We got them both from the Saints when Ratten was sacked and they all cleared out.

 

[jannissary]

We didn’t recruit them in bulk from North, someone is just having a laugh trying to count them as if it might be meaningful to rummage through linkedin looking for anyone who ever worked at both clubs.

Thing is that you have a lot of mobility between jobs at sporting clubs because a lot of those jobs are low paid/casual/internships, or gig work. Particularly allied health jobs, trainers, game day roles and anything related to AFLW.

Essendon employs a couple hundred people, so it’s really easy to find a physio and a couple of admin people, a coach and a player or two that just happened to work at another club at some point in the past (not necessarily all at once). If you started counting all the people we’ve brought in over the last few years who had at one time worked for St Kilda or Richmond or GWS or Geelong you’d have a similar number, it’s just the industry.

In terms of the specific list, McPherson was only at North for one season and not at the same time as Brad Scott, he was at Melbourne before that and for a lot longer. His connection at Essendon was Josh Mahoney via Melbourne.

Rath and Robbins are the two that Brad actually brought to Essendon. David Rath was at Hawthorn during their premiership years and then at St Kilda. He also worked with the Wallabies during the rugby World Cup. North doesn’t even rate a mention on his CV, but he did know Scott from there. Ben Robbins was at North for a few years a while back and then went to St Kilda for a few years after that. We got them both from the Saints when Ratten was sacked and they all cleared out.

gets clicks, laughs etc

 

[bomberlegend2007]

We're in good hands in that regard. The media generally thinks we're good (because it is made up of people who could not pretend to be as clueless as they are). So the blow torch should come even if it is for the wrong reasons.

The question here is not, as it will be framed, how has Essendon regressed from the side that was top 4 by by round #x 2024. The question is: how did we get to February 2025 with a list full of 21 to 30 year olds needing to start preaching patience and stability? What was Scott doing in years 1 and 2 and how did he manage to avoid making a single difficult list management decision in 2 seasons?

If you were the media and wanted to back Essendon into a corner to generate headlines and drag the club through the mud, as it deserves, you'd start to ask questions about how Scott came to be appointed. It is so ****ing obvious that he did not have the first idea for a vision of what he wanted to do. And yet this was the guy:

1.the independent panel of experts (who didn't even interview him) was convinced by;

2. who has since had his contract unnecessarily extended by an executive regime that didn't even appoint him in the first place.

Someone needs to be explain all of this in the process of tendering his resignation.

If these w***ers can't be honest with us why do we assume they are honest with themselves? Haven't we been through this enough times, now?

Cause Bruno, it’s a business. If the club comes out and flat out states, yeah we are gonna be shit for a few more years, membership goes down, attendance goes down, sales goes down and also attracting quality players takes a hit.

I think it’s very clear what the club is doing. They don’t need to flat out say what they are doing. Just because media types like Lloyd keeps believing we should be playing finals, doesn’t make it so. Nor because it’s been 20 years, doesn’t mean it should happen tomorrow.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Alright last melting post about Brad Scott I swear... (until we lose to a team like Richmond/North later this year).

What do you guys actually like about him? I'm struggling to find any positives apart from him bringing in 'stability' (cant he just do that in an administrative role)

He has done, or been involved, in ridding a lot of the cancer the club has held onto for 25+ years.

As each week goes on, I strongly doubt he will be the coach that takes us to a flag. But I believe he will hand the keys to someone that will.

 

[Yoda_]

Cause Bruno, it’s a business. If the club comes out and flat out states, yeah we are gonna be shit for a few more years, membership goes down, attendance goes down, sales goes down and also attracting quality players takes a hit.

I think it’s very clear what the club is doing. They don’t need to flat out say what they are doing. Just because media types like Lloyd keeps believing we should be playing finals, doesn’t make it so. Nor because it’s been 20 years, doesn’t mean it should happen tomorrow.

this is a fairly accurate summation of how im reading it too.



The nuffies cant accept that Scott walked into a cluster * and was hopelessly over sold where the list was at. After 20 months have now worked out we are a fair way off so rather than coming out and saying "we're rebuilding" need to be political and pragmatic about how we present it.

On one hand it could end the way you suggest, on the other, would the masses actually accept one (two) steps back to finally take a step forward and into the upper echelon?