Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

Seeing as Lidia discussion is cropping up across multiple threads, let's have us a thread for people who want to discuss her contribution to Australian politics.

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[Sphynx]

Hypotheticals don't count tho. This is a real situation we need to deal with. Or at least acknowledge.

I know people who won't reveal their grandparents diaries cos of how it makes them look and because they're on multigenerational farm land. They won't even talk about them most of the time. We live in a country with places named Murdering Gully, Murdering Creek, Black Shoot Gully, Poisoned Waterhole Creek and so many more. Talking about how hypothetically it could have been worse misses the point.

Talking about how the crown has an enormous debt is true (not just to blackfellas either, to whitefellas too across the last 250 years,) but so do we in modern Australia. Until we acknowledge that and act on it properly we're behaving like colonists and visitors. Not owning who we are, where we live and what we've done.

"We're just here to wreck the place and leave it all behind." That's how the T-Bones described it decades ago. Surely as a nation we should be capable of better.

I just answered your hypothetical with another hypothetical.

In fairness, what does “act on it properly” even mean?

We’ve had a Prime Minister stand up and apologies in Parliament in the last 15 years. We’ve had sweeping reforms to aboriginal land rights over the last 40 years. We’ve had multiple royal commissions into social issues regarding indigenous Australians. We’ve expanded opportunity in the last 10 years to the point it’s never been a better time to be indigenous in this country in terms of access to employment, health, schooling, a home.

We just had a referendum and whether you agree with it or not, not all indigenous Australians were for it (most vocal, the person titled in this thread). But it was an example of the issue being front of mind to the point we’d spend tens of millions of dollars doing a democratic process to discuss it.

So act on properly is simply, Treaty? That nobody knows what it even means other than a from a philosophical point of view?

And in regards to the other point, I’m sorry, “we’ve” not done anything. It’s completely unfair to call the rest of Australians colonizers and hold them directly responsible for those deeds 250 years ago.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

We just had a referendum and whether you agree with it or not, not all indigenous Australians were for it (most vocal, the person titled in this thread). But it was an example of the issue being front of mind to the point we’d spend tens of millions of dollars doing a democratic process to discuss it.

Pretty sure Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine were more vocal than Lidia Thorpe.

But don't let that ruin your narrative.

 

[Freomaniac]

The reality is she hoodwinked the electorate

Zero respect

Same as Craig Kelly

Bit off topic...

I still remember Craig Kelly being with the Palmer United Party in the 2022 federal election.

Crazy how much money Clive Palmer spent on Advertising.

in the house of Representatives, the PUPs got 604,536 votes and not one seat.

Greens got 1.7 million votes and 4 seats.

In the Senate, the PUPs got 520,520 votes and only 1 seat.

Greens got 1.9 million votes and 6 seats in the senate. Not bad for the 3rd biggest party.

I am amazed Lidia Thorpe got a seat. you wonder who voted for her ?

 

[Chicken Treat]

If it's OK to shit on an unemployed person who got scurvy for 'making the wrong choices', the Royal Family is more than fair game for Lidia's behaviour.

 

[stax on the mull]

I am amazed Lidia Thorpe got a seat. you wonder who voted for her ?

Don't understand what this question at the end of your post is about, other than the obvious answer which is that she was elected because she was the No 1 Federal senate candidate for the Greens in Victoria, and people voted for her and/or the Green party and they easily reached the quota of votes required. Nearly 10 times as many 1st preference votes compared to the UAP candidate Ralph Babet who also gained a seat in the senate at the same election.

You can see how many people voted for her as the No 1 candidate for the Greens.

First preferences by candidate - AEC Tally Room

First preferences by candidate

results.aec.gov.au

She's since quit the party over a difference about whether to support the Voice referendum and sits in Federal parliament as an independent. The Green party policy was to campaign for a Yes vote. Thorpe, to generalize, was against the Voice concept as a powerless substitute for proper recognition or "Black Sovereignty", but in her No message she was hardly aligned to the type of campaign the political leaders of the Libs/NP/UAP/ON etc and their big money backers used.

Her 6 year term as a Senator ends in June 2028, unless by some chance we get a double dissolution election where all Senate seats are up for contest.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Don't understand what this question at the end of your post is about, other than the obvious answer which is that she was elected because she was the No 1 Federal senate candidate for the Greens in Victoria, and people voted for her and/or the Green party and they easily reached the quota of votes required. Nearly 10 times as many 1st preference votes compared to the UAP candidate Ralph Babet who also gained a seat in the senate at the same election.

You can see how many people voted for her as the No 1 candidate for the Greens.

First preferences by candidate - AEC Tally Room

First preferences by candidate

results.aec.gov.au

She's since quit the party over a difference about whether to support the Voice referendum and sits in Federal parliament as an independent. The Green party policy was to campaign for a Yes vote. Thorpe, to generalize, was against the Voice concept as a powerless substitute for proper recognition or "Black Sovereignty", but in her No message she was hardly aligned to the type of campaign the political leaders of the Libs/NP/UAP/ON etc and their big money backers used.

Her 6 year term as a Senator ends in June 2028, unless by some chance we get a double dissolution election where all Senate seats are up for contest.

It's a very cosy arrangement

The cynic would suggest she planned to depart the Greens well before the election

 

[stax on the mull]

It's a very cosy arrangement

The cynic would suggest she planned to depart the Greens well before the election

Don't think that's any different from any other senator that's quit their party shortly after gaining a seat. Cory Bernardi springs to mind, or Fatima Payman, Mal Coultson, the defectors like Lambie who couldn't get on with Palmer and the sov cit cooker from WA that didn't declare his bankruptcy - who's name I can't be arsed looking up now, but he had an argument with Hanson and declared himself an independent before getting kicked out of parliament etc.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

We all run around pretending we are a nation of Ned Kelly, when we are a nation of Ned Flanders
-Amy Remeikis

 

[ferball]

I just answered your hypothetical with another hypothetical.

In fairness, what does “act on it properly” even mean?

We’ve had a Prime Minister stand up and apologies in Parliament in the last 15 years. We’ve had sweeping reforms to aboriginal land rights over the last 40 years. We’ve had multiple royal commissions into social issues regarding indigenous Australians. We’ve expanded opportunity in the last 10 years to the point it’s never been a better time to be indigenous in this country in terms of access to employment, health, schooling, a home.

There was a better time to be indigenous in this country, 250 years ago.

Anyway acting properly on something simply means that. You brought up the RCs. How many of their recommendations have been followed thru?

We just had a referendum and whether you agree with it or not, not all indigenous Australians were for it (most vocal, the person titled in this thread). But it was an example of the issue being front of mind to the point we’d spend tens of millions of dollars doing a democratic process to discuss it.

So act on properly is simply, Treaty? That nobody knows what it even means other than a from a philosophical point of view?

A treaty is simply an agreement with the previous legal owners of Australia that legitimises the current legal ownership of the country. Tht will be a complicated and more frustrating process than the simplified version that led to the USFTH and the Voice referendum.

And in regards to the other point, I’m sorry, “we’ve” not done anything. It’s completely unfair to call the rest of Australians colonizers and hold them directly responsible for those deeds 250 years ago.

No it isn't. It didn't end in the past. That situation is still ongoing, so as much as you say "things are better now for indigenous people than at any time in the last 250 years" things still aren't as good as they are for the average non indigenous Australian.

WE're still colonisers and we're still a colony.

When people start caring for this country (not the state) the way indigenous people did (and still do) then modern Australia might earn the right to not be considered a colony. Till then its just an economic outpost for foreign mining and agribusiness interests.

 

[coach beard]

When people start caring for this country (not the state) the way indigenous people did (and still do) then modern Australia might earn the right to not be considered a colony. Till then its just an economic outpost for foreign mining and agribusiness interests.

THIS

 

[Freomaniac]

Nobody should be subjected to the kind of harassment that she received in her place of work.

True but she is in one scandal after another.

She has 3 more years left of rights