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JackFlash said:
Gavin "LA 2.0" Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass have proven unquestionably what incompetence really means. LA will never be the same again, but i don't think hair gel Gav minds that one bit? The whole thing is suspicious as hell and i suspect there is a lot more on this story to come?
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In the question of conspiracy versus incompetence, incompetence wins nearly every time. Throw in a generous serving of ideology and what could possibly go wrong?
 
We must remember that it's not the cost of living that's killing us. It's the cost of Government. Or in the case of LA, the Governments waste of money on everything other than fire prevention clearing, fire trucks, manpower and water accessibility. The California Government policies just blew up in their faces. But keep that rainbow flag flying and never forget the leader of diversity, equity and inclusion at the Los Angeles Fire Department appears to blame helpless fire victims as the massive blazes continue to surround the City of Angels. The Lefty capital of the world has gone mad!

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JackFlash said:
Gavin "LA 2.0" Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass have proven unquestionably what incompetence really means. LA will never be the same again, but i don't think hair gel Gav minds that one bit? The whole thing is suspicious as hell and i suspect there is a lot more on this story to come?
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This interview with Gavin Newsom has to be seen to be believed, forget about all the hair gel just look at all the hand gestures.



He just screams douchebag and he is talking about reimagining LA 2.0 with a smile on his face which seems odd and tone deaf.

Thank god there are still some sane people like Bill O'Reilly and Adam Carolla. the voices of reason.

 
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More arsonists arrested and of course this goes against the Climate Change narrative that "Dancing Gavin" would have you believe. These fires now appear to be strategically lit all around the mountainous area surrounding LA, the place was a small Spanish settlement in the 18th and 19th century. The desert is not far away either. It's always been a dry and rather hot place and not much happened there until the railway line from Chicago was completed in 1885, the joint still had lots of dirt roads at the time Chaplin was making movies! In the early days it was inhabited by Native Americans and Spanish/Mexican settlers with a modest population of approximately 300,000 by 1910. It wasn't until the roaring Twenties and the Golden Age of Hollywood in the Thirties which followed that made LA what it is today. All those Westerns we watched as kids were all made just over those mountains less than 10 -15 km from Sunset Boulevard!
The insane California policies contributed as much as anything else to this catastrophe. This was a disaster just waiting to happen!
The infrastructure failed miserably and the government knew only to well that 90% of the previous fires in the LA area were caused by human failure, be it deliberate arson or infrastructure failure. The post mortem from all of this will expose more than just a neglectful government. But hey, let's just blame the climate and nobody will go to jail?
 
JackFlash said:
More arsonists arrested and of course this goes against the Climate Change narrative that "Dancing Gavin" would have you believe. These fires now appear to be strategically lit all around the mountainous area surrounding LA, the place was a small Spanish settlement in the 18th and 19th century. The desert is not far away either. It's always been a dry and rather hot place and not much happened there until the railway line from Chicago was completed in 1885, the joint still had lots of dirt roads at the time Chaplin was making movies! In the early days it was inhabited by Native Americans and Spanish/Mexican settlers with a modest population of approximately 300,000 by 1910. It wasn't until the roaring Twenties and the Golden Age of Hollywood in the Thirties which followed that made LA what it is today. All those Westerns we watched as kids were all made just over those mountains less than 10 -15 km from Sunset Boulevard!
The insane California policies contributed as much as anything else to this catastrophe. This was a disaster just waiting to happen!
The infrastructure failed miserably and the government knew only to well that 90% of the previous fires in the LA area were caused by human failure, be it deliberate arson or infrastructure failure. The post mortem from all of this will expose more than just a neglectful government. But hey, let's just blame the climate and nobody will go to jail?
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Funny one climate denialist.
Drill baby drill!
 
It's sort of amazing how much history Los Angeles has built in such a short existence, mostly thanks to how good the movie industry has been at ingraining images into the cultural unconsciousness. It's a weird place, but i knew that going in. I worked there in the 90s, and I thought that I was ready for it. I thought I'd been prepared for the worst, most surreal aspects of Tinseltown, because I've seen more movies about L.A. than I have dumb buddy cop comedy films.

Every city has their special little traits that we associate with them, so I figured that in L.A i'd be annoyed by the enthusiastic cokeheads, phonies and constant traffic jams ( nobody walks in LA), what i wasn't at all prepared for was everybody who goes there to live, work or play thinks that they're destined to be a star. "I've written a script", "I'm going to be an Actor/Actress", "I want to be a Director". That's the one true thing everyone already knows about LA: People only live there because they're in the midst of pursuing that beautiful, hopeful, occasionally sad and misguided dream of super-stardom.
The place is so superficial, the "Stars" who have actually made it and bought a house in Pacific Palisades have lost all sense of reality and hire dudes named T-Bro that pick up and look after their dogs, handle their trash cans, or wipe down their toilet for them. And that's fine. Nobody's begrudging them that. We can all spend our money on whatever we want. But nobody looked around and noticed where they lived, the place has been a death trap for 100 years surrounded by mountains with a government that relies totally on Hollywood for its economy. Fire prevention and water has never been a top priority, nearly half the county is taken up by mountain chains most of them running east-west that have a dynamic history of earthquakes, mud slides and WILDFIRES! We won't be hearing the last of all of this for a long time!
 
deck said:
Yeah I guess the catastrophic winds and decade long drought played no part in the fires.
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The Santa Ana winds have a long history of impact on Southern California, shaping both its landscape and its fire regime. Native traditions and Spanish colonial records document these fierce winds, which have been recurrent for centuries.

LA / California's climate is one that is prone to extensive dry conditions. Paleoclimate records going back more than 1,000 years show many more significant dry periods.

This fire wasn't climate change related.
 
More damning evidence against Gavin Newsom.




I would like someone on the Democrats side try and defend him other than just a laugh reaction.

It's not a laughing matter.
 
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JackFlash said:
It's sort of amazing how much history Los Angeles has built in such a short existence, mostly thanks to how good the movie industry has been at ingraining images into the cultural unconsciousness. It's a weird place, but i knew that going in. I worked there in the 90s, and I thought that I was ready for it. I thought I'd been prepared for the worst, most surreal aspects of Tinseltown, because I've seen more movies about L.A. than I have dumb buddy cop comedy films.
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It has its own charm for sure. Most American cities downtown area would be the place to be but downtown Los Angeles is as run down and dodgy as any city in the country.
 
revo333 said:
It has its own charm for sure. Most American cities downtown area would be the place to be but downtown Los Angeles is as run down and dodgy as any city in the country.
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I couldn't believe how run down and dodgy Hollywood was, apart from the tourist walk of fame area there it was an awful shithole.

I thought all the big Hollywood stars would live in Hollywood, none of them live there, they all live in the Palisades and in Malibu.

They probably wish they lived in Hollywood now as it's still standing while the Palisades and Malibu have been burnt to the ground.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
How many wake up calls about climate change do the selfish ignoramus people of America need?
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The climate hasn't changed that much in Southern California, it's always been very dry there with very little rain.

Albert Hammond was singing about it back in 1973, he tried to warn ya.




LA should have been better prepared for this wildfire disaster and the lack of preparation has to lie with their Democrat leaders.

Just ask Dennis Quaid, he lives there and he played a firefighter in Frequency so I think he might know what he is talking about.

 
Plugger35 said:
I couldn't believe how run down and dodgy Hollywood was, apart from the tourist walk of fame area there it was an awful shithole.

I thought all the big Hollywood stars would live in Hollywood, none of them live there, they all live in the Palisades and in Malibu.

They probably wish they lived in Hollywood now as it's still standing while the Palisades and Malibu have been burnt to the ground.
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I love the Hollywood Hills/Laurel Canyon area and the history, Walking through the narrow streets up to the reservoir and in front of the Hollywood sign.

That area would appeal to me more than Malibu if I was a star who wanted my privacy.
 
If all of the focus is incorrectly being applied to a single person or people for political gain, then the actual failings and problems will never be identified and corrected for in the future.


What needs to happen, is to find out what the actual failures were... in order to ensure they either don't happen again, or are reduced.

We need to support actual investigations into finding out what went wrong, and who if anyone is to blame.

Because if there are people who have done the wrong thing then all this distraction, anti-DEI bullshit will ensure that they get away with it, and that this will happen again.
The people who have lost their lives and homes, will never get justice.
 
CM86 said:
If all of the focus is incorrectly being applied to a single person or people for political gain, then the actual failings and problems will never be identified and corrected for in the future.


What needs to happen, is to find out what the actual failures were... in order to ensure they either don't happen again, or are reduced.

We need to support actual investigations into finding out what went wrong, and who if anyone is to blame.

Because if there are people who have done the wrong thing then all this distraction, anti-DEI bullshit will ensure that they get away with it, and that this will happen again.
The people who have lost their lives and homes, will never get justice.
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The problem with California is that it isn't a democratic state anymore.

It's run like a one party state by the Democrats who do as they please.

No one in Hollywood will dare speak out against the Democrats, if they dare say they support Trump they will get blacklisted.

Does anyone wonder why all the American late night hosts on their main network channels all slavishly support the Democrats?

If they didn't and they supported Trump they would lose their jobs and be hosting late night shows on obscure cable channels.

The only guys that will speak out against the Democrats are guys like Adam Carolla, Joe Rogan, Mel Gibson and Dennis Quaid.

They are all old enough and rich enough that they don't really care if Hollywood cancels them so they will just speak the truth.
 
Plugger35 said:
The climate hasn't changed that much in Southern California, it's always been very dry there with very little rain.

Albert Hammond was singing about it back in 1973, he tried to warn ya.




LA should have been better prepared for this wildfire disaster and the lack of preparation has to lie with their Democrat leaders.

Just ask Dennis Quaid, he lives there and he played a firefighter in Frequency so I think he might know what he is talking about.

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Don't feed me this denialist ant-science bs mate.
 
Aristotle Pickett said:
Don't feed me this denialist ant-science bs mate.
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I am not denying there might be some climate change but even if there is that is no excuse for the lack of preparation for fires.

It's not like California's climate which is similar to Australia's climate has suddenly changed so much you get caught unprepared.
 
Plugger35 said:
The problem with California is that it isn't a democratic state anymore.

It's run like a one party state by the Democrats who do as they please.

No one in Hollywood will dare speak out against the Democrats, if they dare say they support Trump they will get blacklisted.

Does anyone wonder why all the American late night hosts on their main network channels all slavishly support the Democrats?

If they didn't and they supported Trump they would lose their jobs and be hosting late night shows on obscure cable channels.

The only guys that will speak out against the Democrats are guys like Adam Carolla, Joe Rogan, Mel Gibson and Dennis Quaid.

They are all old enough and rich enough that they don't really care if Hollywood cancels them so they will just speak the truth.
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OK.

That could all be completely true.

But do you see how it's all stepping away from actually investigating the fires, the causes, the outcomes, the mitigation, the prevention etc?


If this is the conversation and approach, it means that there will never be an effective investigation, and that the results will never be heard.


Because by the time the reports are completed etc, everyone will have already made up their mind.
Most already have made up their mind.
 
CM86 said:
OK.

That could all be completely true.

But do you see how it's all stepping away from actually investigating the fires, the causes, the outcomes, the mitigation, the prevention etc?


If this is the conversation and approach, it means that there will never be an effective investigation, and that the results will never be heard.


Because by the time the reports are completed etc, everyone will have already made up their mind.
Most already have made up their mind.
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Well if you want to get an independent investigation into the fires free from the political bias these days in America good luck.

That might have happened back in the good old 90s days when Bill Clinton was running the show and playing the saxophone.

We are lucky here in Australia we aren't so politically divided that our parties can't agree on important things.

When John Howard called for the gun buy back scheme after the Port Arthur shootings, Labor didn't oppose it.
 

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