Jamie Cripps

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You mean the list in such dire need of 20-24 year olds that they felt the need to trade a first rounder for a once delisted, WAFL player, and another for GC's 3rd ruck (I'm a fan of Hickey btw;))? Your current list is a shadow of it's past one. But lets not reduce this argument to a shit fight over our lists.
I don't think we necessarily saw it that way at all, we just wanted a quick turnaround, a la Sydney after 2009 and elected to target those who are young and very talented, but who have been in the system for at least a couple of years and will be ready to come straight in and make an impact for us next year, like we did with Saad and Milera last year, who A: came in and made a difference straight away and B: Look like they could play a lot of good footy for years to come.

There is no rule that says you can only rebuild by targeting only those who are 18 years old, who BTW, are more of a a gamble, due to the fact they are generally unproven at any sort of senior level footy. Doing it this way just enables us to skip most of the development years and takes a lot of the guesswork out of whether they are going to be able to handle the step up, professionalism required and so on. That is also why they have cost a fair bit. They are more of a "known quantity", as Cripps is for you.

It also means they get to learn on the job with the likes of Riewoldt, Hayes, Dal Santo, Fisher and so on, in a team that is highly competitive (even this year, despite having such big holes at FB and back-up ruck, where we got most of our injuries, we were still only 6 goals off finishing top 4 (we lost 4 games by 12 points or less and had we won those games, we would have finished 4th, all other things being equal).

As for Lee being a "WAFL player", how many teams have someone on their list who is a 195cm "jumping jack" and at 21yo is capable of having a 60 goal season (in fact less than a season, as he started down back) in one of the major state leagues? The fact is that if he'd been on an AFL list this year and been doing what he'd been doing in the state league, the board of the team who's list he was on would have been jizzing themselves about the prospect of him playing senior footy for them this year. After he kicked a bag of goals on Zac Dawson in a Freo intra-club game this year, he might have even started the season in the senior team if he'd been on a senior list this year.

Unless he's peaked at 21, despite reportedly only starting to take his footy and training and so on really seriously in the past 2 years (and also only stopping growing in around that time- 4cm since he arrived at Adelaide) then you'd think there's no telling how much more improvement there is in him, especially once he starts training with the likes of Nick Riewoldt and Lenny Hayes, who will show him what working hard to be the best you can be is all about. Athletically he's extremely gifted, footy wise he has the skills and talent, it was just about whether he would be someone who just tried to coast and get by on natural ability alone and he has now shown that he is not going to do that and we saw the results of that this year.

It might have cost us a lot to get the likes of Lee and Hickey (although we got picks back in the mid 20's for both of them, which is hardly bad), but we only had to give up that much to get them because other clubs were going hard for them as well. We didn't just pick those offers out of nowhere and go to GWS and GC right from the start and say "hey, how about Lee and Hickey for our first rounders!" :eek:

Paying that much for them was a last resort, but because we rated them that highly and they filled major needs we had on our list, with the likes of Riewoldt and Kosi hitting 30 this year and us having a major shortage of ruck support, we were willing to pay it.
 
has never happened, and is pretty unlikely to ever happen, even for an actual required player, which cripps is hardly.

Happened with Jason Blake less than 12 months ago.....
 
From memory Ross Lyon blew a fuse at recruitment when Cripps was discovered as being a person with Diabetes , Ross obviouslty calmed down and rates Cripps but I think Cripps might have taken this initial Lyon response as a negative and Woosha will be good for Cripps with his Pharmacy background . FWIW people with type 1 diabetes no longer have to report as such at job interviews , its called equal opportunities .

I thimk # 41 will be good , Cripps could easily make the grade especially once he gets more confidence in his health .
 

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If Cripps went into the draft he probably would slip to 41 as no-one would want to draft a player that doesn't want to be at their club. The problem is the precedent this would set for all younger guys that want to go home. Kurt Tippett has had alot of concussions. If he were to enter the draft would all the other teams let him slide to pick 22 for the Swans?
most likely he would enter the PSD, not the ND. and knowing his homesickness, its unlikely he will be picked up by any club except freo and WC, and are freo even interested?
We may well end up taking 41 and I'll hope that the club find the best player they can with it but as it is right now I still think a deal can be done that will result in a win-win for all parties which includes the players asking to be traded.

I haven't taken a shot at the Eagles and said: "**** you, give us Brown and stop holding him hostage" It's just that in my biased opinion it makes sense for the Eagles to get the most they can for Brown now rather than take the risk of losing him for less next year.
if there was something on offer that allowed us to get the most we could for brown now, the eagles would have taken it.

the thing is, the club and pretty much all of us BF eagles reckon that cripps and a second rounder is a pretty fair price for brown uncontracted, and the risk we will get less than that next year is slim. that being the case there is no reason to trade him now, we might as well just wait till he actually is uncontracted, if thats all we are going to get.

so its trade him now for a fair price, or trade him for a fair price later, after he has given us another year of service.

and the chances of him walking for nothing into the PSD or ND, as with all player trying to move clubs, are basically nil. those are the extreme cases only.

thats where the saints have messed up this whole approach to brown, they have offered him the money and gametime but they havent given the eagles any reason whatsoever to even consider it. signing contracted players involves satisfying the club too, thats what saint kilda have failed to understand
 
From memory Ross Lyon blew a fuse at recruitment when Cripps was discovered as being a person with Diabetes , Ross obviouslty calmed down and rates Cripps but I think Cripps might have taken this initial Lyon response as a negative and Woosha will be good for Cripps with his Pharmacy background . FWIW people with type 1 diabetes no longer have to report as such at job interviews , its called equal opportunities .

I thimk # 41 will be good , Cripps could easily make the grade especially once he gets more confidence in his health .
What does Wooshas pharmacy background have to do with anything?

Im sure Jamie can look after his own illness, and if needs advice on it then im sure he'd see a doctor...

Woosha being a pharmacist would have NO bearing on his decision what so ever
 
Happened with Jason Blake less than 12 months ago.....
Siuations are not the same, and you know it...

we wont be re-drafting Crippa, he has decided to leave, he wont be wearing red black and white next year

i would hope we could include him in a deal for Brown, but that is looking unlikely, so we might as well take pick 41 other wise we lose and West Coast just use that on him anyway :(
 
On afl.com. Cripps prepared to go into draft if no trade. Clearly draft tampering trying to influence Saints to accept crap in exchange. Should be penalties for that!!!! I am no Saints fan but that should not be tolerated.
 
On afl.com. Cripps prepared to go into draft if no trade. Clearly draft tampering trying to influence Saints to accept crap in exchange. Should be penalties for that!!!! I am no Saints fan but that should not be tolerated.
but unfortunately it is within our sport...happens all the time...

Luke Ball wanted to go to collingwood, we didnt want the garbage they offered so let him go to the draft, and surprise surprise he gets drafted by collingwood...its a crap system and needs to be brought to an end, makes the league look really unprofessional
 
What does Wooshas pharmacy background have to do with anything?

Im sure Jamie can look after his own illness, and if needs advice on it then im sure he'd see a doctor...

Woosha being a pharmacist would have NO bearing on his decision what so ever
um, yeah. the club has actual doctors for that sort of thing, they dont have to rely on members of the football department with pharmaceutical training from 20 years ago
 

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Cripps is a jet, worth a pick between 18-26 imo. But because stkilda are seen to have no youth he is underrated by outsiders. However saints will most probably get rorted for pick 41. Seems like a good kid so I hope he gets to the club he has his heart set on..
 
Cripps is a jet, worth a pick between 18-26 imo. But because stkilda are seen to have no youth he is underrated by outsiders. However saints will most probably get rorted for pick 41. Seems like a good kid so I hope he gets to the club he has his heart set on..

It's funny isn't it...if he played for GC up in the 'Unseen North' he'd probably get them a 1st rounder!
 
You do not need to pass sandpit in kinda to understand that a threat to go into the draft if you do not do what i say is blackmail. Clearly an attempt to influence the outcome. These things obviously go on behind closed doors but should not be made public as it is not a good look - the manager may be in trouble. It relects badly on the AFL and public perception!!
 
Cripps is a jet, worth a pick between 18-26 imo. But because stkilda are seen to have no youth he is underrated by outsiders. However saints will most probably get rorted for pick 41. Seems like a good kid so I hope he gets to the club he has his heart set on..

Funny that this is the attitude Saints fans take to Cripps but the attitude West Coast fans take to Brown is to treat him like crap and let him rot in the 2's.
 
Funny that this is the attitude Saints fans take to Cripps but the attitude West Coast fans take to Brown is to treat him like crap and let him rot in the 2's.
Nice troll. Your club wont let an un-contracted player get to the club of his choice, but we are the devil because we want a contracted player to honour his obligations?
 
has never happened, and is pretty unlikely to ever happen, even for an actual required player, which cripps is hardly.


no reason this can't be the first time

it shouldn't get that far though, a couple of mentions of Des Headland and the like, even our own 'future captain' James Begley should have the kid seeing sense, if not West Coast.
 
A saint supporter said picks 41 and 44 would be fair for cripps. (He got no response to wether it was fair not) Would you say this is fair West Coast supporters?
 

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