Traded Jack Steven [traded to Geelong for #58]

[WillieNillie]

ohh what when he was requesting a trade back home just before his sister died!!

His sister lived in Melbourne, not Geelong btw.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

His sister lived in Melbourne, not Geelong btw.

No she never.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Just cheap underhanded tactics by Geelong to get him for nothing really. They did the EXACT same thing with Gary Ablett

Utter bullshit.

His sister was very sick and asked for a trade home in 2016. Cochrane said no. 2017 he asks for a trade again and by the time Cochrane relents his sister had overdosed and died. He had a damn good reason to leave the Suns.

Just as Kelly does to leave us this year

 

[Art Vandelay_]

His sister lived in Melbourne, not Geelong btw.

No. Utterly false.
She lived in Geelong her whole life, spent numerous years in and out of rehab

 

[CatToTheFuture]

There's only one minor detail in that. Kelly was a long term deal.

Apparently was some kind of series of 1 year contracts, would probably prevent it being backended

 

[StCicatriz]

I know family break ups can be mentally tough, I've had one myself, but surely there is a little more to it than that?

Can't he still play at the Saints while trying to reconcile. Maybe move to the western suburbs to be closer to the kid? Moorabin is not that far away.

That Was my reaction as well. It's not drug related if that was what you were alluding too

Sick family member too apparently

 

[StCicatriz]

Abbott would have always been a backup regardless. Do you think Ryder will now be a backup to Marshall or maybe used in the forward line?

Bit of both. Will depend on the oppo.

 

[StCicatriz]

Apparently was some kind of series of 1 year contracts, would probably prevent it being backended

Huh

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I'd be happy to pay pick 36 despite the reasonable risk that he never gets back to 2016

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Huh

Not sure on the details and anyone feel free to correct me, but effectively he'd be able to request a trade and provided an agreed minimum (that Kelly/Gaff agree to) trade criteria was met he's out. Something to that effect. In that kind of contract i can't see a player agreeing to accept blackended payments be cause you'd effectively be walking away underpaid if you walked. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

 

[StCicatriz]

Not sure on the details and anyone feel free to correct me, but effectively he'd be able to request a trade and provided an agreed minimum (that Kelly/Gaff agree to) trade criteria was met he's out. Something to that effect. In that kind of contract i can't see a player agreeing to accept blackended payments be cause you'd effectively be walking away underpaid if you walked. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

You talk about steven or Kelly?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You talk about steven or Kelly?

Kelly and Gaff

 

[StCicatriz]

Kelly and Gaff

Kelly would never agree to a backended deal under those circumstances for the reason you mentioned. He can't collect if he walks.

Players like the front ended stuff or if they're young those contracts ya mentioned.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Kelly would never agree to a backended deal under those circumstances for the reason you mentioned. He can't collect if he walks.

Players like the front ended stuff or if they're young those contracts ya mentioned.

Yeah that's what I was getting at, if the cats offered 800k a year starting next year then they have 800k in actual cap for next year. Though Gaz and Taylor signing on again the next day might have altered the equation

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Just spitballing right now.
I don’t really see much of a point in a third round pick.
I would however prefer to upgrade our future picks for a major assault next year.
So, was thinking
Steven and saints 2020 2nd round
For Geelong’s 2020 1st round.
Thoughts?

Geelong are not going to downgrade their first round pick for someone who is valued a third round pick. That is just crazy stuff

 

[StCicatriz]

Yeah that's what I was getting at, if the cats offered 800k a year starting next year then they have 800k in actual cap for next year. Though Gaz and Taylor signing on again the next day might have altered the equation

Yeh I think it's killed that.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

As I said, personal issue only deserve compassion when it is in Geelong's favour it seems.
No compassion for Kelly, no compassion for Steven, just highball and lowball.

Classy

We paid a second round pick for a player turning 33 start of the year. What planet are you on saying we paid nothing lol. We paid overs basically. Nobody pays high value for 33 year old players and he actually had a bad injury history at the time.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeh I think it's killed that.

Still indicates they don't expect to be that tight on cap they couldn't backend a 3 year

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I'd be happy to pay pick 36 despite the reasonable risk that he never gets back to 2016

I’d say third round plus chuck in abbot and it’s fair value. He isn’t worth our second pick

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Surely it’s just our third pick plus abbot.

Constable is staying as wells said. So nothing to that

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I’d say third round plus chuck in abbot and it’s fair value. He isn’t worth our second pick

I accept it's a lottery ticket, but sometimes you gotta buy a wad of raffle tickets and hope

 

[BigCat1]

As I said, personal issue only deserve compassion when it is in Geelong's favour it seems.
No compassion for Kelly, no compassion for Steven, just highball and lowball.

Classy

Righteo you don’t even know what the deal is but I dare say 10kg overweight mids who have played almost no football for 12 months, have an issue, are over 30 and are one 800k plus aren’t exactly attractive propositions. Your club wants him gone so it can move on.

Don’t see the outrage for John Patton and co. Any pick under 40 is just a ridiculous gamble.

Let’s wait and see. I dare say the Saints won’t just be letting him go for nothing if it wasn’t in their interests. Think they might actually be ok with it

 

[Warhorse]

What we are paying for is for one year of service as he would be free next year. I wouldn't pay anything past pick 50

 

[DanWA]

Hopefully Saints hold firm and keep him until the end of his contract and then deal with Geelong

 

[kaiserchief13]

Geelong to trade pick 24 they get from WC for Kelly for Steven and Sinclair