Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Gough]

I also question how "safe" these safe injecting rooms are. Like what's stopping someone from shooting up and going on a drug-fueled rampage thus causing a cascade effect?

My point is that whilst there is a need to prevail in the war on drugs I question how effective these counter measures are?

Drugs prevailed in the war on drugs by some distance and some time ago.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I also question how "safe" these safe injecting rooms are. Like what's stopping someone from shooting up and going on a drug-fueled rampage thus causing a cascade effect?

My point is that whilst there is a need to prevail in the war on drugs I question how effective these counter measures are?

Suspect we’d be aware via media if something like that had occurred.

 

[Crankyhawk]

More needs to be done, absolutely.

I'd argue that people drinking and taking drugs recreationally aren't the majority of people who end up assaulting your staff.

It's people with underlying issues, who are addicted, and who use it for escapism etc who end up doing that kind of thing.
I don't think longer prison sentences for recreational use is a solution.
Better funding, better mental health care and better ways of identifying issues before they become 'treated' with substance abuse would be the best solution.


But, what you're talking about isn't really related to the discussion around pill testing.
It's not an endorsement of violence.

As far as alcohol goes it’s a combination of

• recreational binge drinkers
• chronic drinkers where the assault is a more passive one (while drunk unable to self care, fall over in own excrement yet as they have competence to choose to live that way when sober there’s nothing we can do, leading to massive wastage of ambulance services as well as biohazard exposure)

Ice users can be recreational use and go psychotic and aggressive

 

[GreyWind]

Suspect we’d be aware via media if something like that had occurred.

Considering the safe injecting rooms are for heroin I doubt we'd be seeing any drug fueled crime sprees.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

There are 2 sides to this argument, the other one being that government sponsored pill testing legitimises something that is illegal and abhorrent. Meanwhile the government can’t afford cancer research funding…

"Abhorrent" give me a spell

 

[Sttew]

"Abhorrent" give me a spell

You think home made pills laced with contaminants made God knows where by unscrupulous criminal gangs who don’t give a shit if people die taking their pills is not abhorrent?

Why am I not at all surprised????? And why am I not surprised CM86 enjoyed your post?

 

[CM86]

You think home made pills laced with contaminants made God knows where by unscrupulous criminal gangs who don’t give a shit if people die taking their pills is not abhorrent?

Why am I not at all surprised????? And why am I not surprised CM86 enjoyed your post?

Good to see that you support the pill testing now!

Not like those criminal gangs who lack scrupuls, that don't care if people die.

 

[CM86]

And why am I not surprised CM86 enjoyed your post?

Can you be brave, and tell me what you think I enjoyed about the post, and what you're saying it implies about me?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You think home made pills laced with contaminants made God knows where by unscrupulous criminal gangs who don’t give a shit if people die taking their pills is not abhorrent?

Why am I not at all surprised????? And why am I not surprised CM86 enjoyed your post?

You're right, if the drugs were legalised then pharmaceutical grade pills could be used by those who want to take them instead of the "home made pills laced with contaminants made God knows where by unscrupulous criminal gangs who don’t give a shit if people die taking their pills".

That's what you're advocating right? In the interests of harm minimisation?

 

[Sttew]

Can you be brave, and tell me what you think I enjoyed about the post, and what you're saying it implies about me?

You tell me why you liked the post first? I thought it was obvious what I considered abhorrent and yet you disagreed.

 

[CM86]

You tell me why you liked the post first?

Can you be brave?

Narrator's voice: "He could not."

 

[GrayRanga]

You think home made pills laced with contaminants made God knows where by unscrupulous criminal gangs who don’t give a shit if people die taking their pills is not abhorrent?

Why am I not at all surprised????? And why am I not surprised CM86 enjoyed your post?

The illegal drug industry is Laissez-faire capitalism in it's purest form

Driven purely by supply and demand, no Government intervention to ensure that quality is maintained, all cash in hand purchases and payments, no tax being paid, no border or import and export restrictions, the importers and local salespersons are just feeding a desire and/or need without any consideration of the market recipients or the social, legal or moral ramifications.

Maximise the profits and socialise the damage to the community and to individuals.

After all, choosing to take a drug of addiction which may lead to doubtful outcomes (including death) is the ultimate expression of the individual's freedom of choice.

It is the Libertarian and free marketeers (Coalition?) wet dream

 

[Sttew]

Good to see that you support the pill testing now!

Not like those criminal gangs who lack scrupuls, that don't care if people die.

If pill testing was 100% fool proof I’d 100% support it. But it isn’t.

 

[CM86]

If pill testing was 100% fool proof I’d 100% support it. But it isn’t.

Is it OK if I laugh emoji your post?

Do you need me to explain it before I do?

Totally separate question. Are you anti-medicine?

 

[Crankyhawk]

If pill testing was 100% fool proof I’d 100% support it. But it isn’t.

Some information is better than none. And (yes according to the team that run pill testing so yes maybe some overreporting) the act of taking the pill to get tested gives an opportunity for health professional counseling and a percentage of those don’t end up taking a pill at all. Will try to find the link.

 

[GreyWind]

I know in the end they put it down to a combination of things but Hardmission at the start of the year had 8 people intubated at the event. It was a huge drain on AV resources and hospital ED resus and the ICUs.

If pill testing by weeding out bad batches or having people rethink their choices on the night is going to reduce harm to users then it's a good thing.

 

[Xtreme]

Dan kicked Victoria in the balls
Jacinta is finishing off the job with a knife to the throat.

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Dan kicked Victoria in the balls
Jacinta is finishing off the job with a knife to the throat.

Cain and Kirner 2.0, but far worse.

 

[Jane Doe]

Hiking the tax on probates and wills. Unbelievable. No shame at all.

 

[Sttew]

Are you anti-medicine?

Dumb question

 

[CM86]

Dumb question

Target audience.

 

[Satan]

The sobering-up centre refused to help a man. He was then killed by a car

A man was hit by a car and killed in Wyndham Vale after a police request for help from the state’s new sobering-up program was rejected.

www.theage.com.au

A man is dead after being hit by a car hours after the state’s new sobering-up squad refused a police request to help him.

Three police sources, not authorised to speak publicly, said officers spoke to the man but were unable to arrest him after recent changes to the law, which abolished the offence of public drunkenness.

 

[Crankyhawk]

The sobering-up centre refused to help a man. He was then killed by a car

A man was hit by a car and killed in Wyndham Vale after a police request for help from the state’s new sobering-up program was rejected.

www.theage.com.au

A man is dead after being hit by a car hours after the state’s new sobering-up squad refused a police request to help him.

Three police sources, not authorised to speak publicly, said officers spoke to the man but were unable to arrest him after recent changes to the law, which abolished the offence of public drunkenness.

Can’t protect people from own stupid choices. Fits in with “least restrictive measures”. This is what the lived experience people who took over the drafting and design of the new MHWA 2022 have wrought. Freedom to choose death from misadventure.

 

[Sttew]

Can’t protect people from own stupid choices.

But before the laws against public drunkenness were abolished you could do something. Police could lock drunks up overnight until they had sobered up. Now police are powerless to do anything.

 

[Crankyhawk]

But before the laws against public drunkenness were abolished you could do something. Police could lock drunks up overnight until they had sobered up. Now police are powerless to do anything.

Yes. And the complaints were that police couldn’t/ didn’t deliver medical care when the drunks fell over and hit their heads. So then they starting bring them to ED where we are a bit “**** we have no where to put them and that one you brought tried to punch us last week” so we don’t really want them (as most hospitals have no access to detox or alcohol addiction specialists, and many drunks not interested either)