Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

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Not at all what I said, as you know.
No. I didn't know. That squiggly line with a dot below it is used to signal that the sentence preceding it is a question.
 
Yes, but that is not what I asked.

If my family was killed by a 'third party' I would be upset also.

Israelis hate Palestinians, Palestinians hate Israelis. Arabs hate Israelis, Israelis hate Arabs. Jews hate Muslims, Muslims hate Jews. Etc. Every act of violence, oppression, land capture etc. by one side makes members of the other side hate them.



The question is how far back in time do you want to go and are you (royal) ultimately just trying to defend a position that everything is the fault of one side or the other?

Hezbollah was formed in the 80s after Israel invaded Lebanon. Why did they do that? PLO kept attacking them from there. Why were they there? Kicked out of Jordan. Why were they kicked out? Civil war. Why were they in Jordan in the first place? Fled after the 6-Day War. Etc. You can keep going back to 1948, or 1920, or pre WWI...

I tend to look at the 50 or so palestinians getting killed each day with the majority of them women and children...

If you dont see what the americans might call the "turkey shoot" aspect of this supposed war, then I wont be trying to convince you otherwise...
 

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Yes, but that is not what I asked.

If my family was killed by a 'third party' I would be upset also.

Israelis hate Palestinians, Palestinians hate Israelis. Arabs hate Israelis, Israelis hate Arabs. Jews hate Muslims, Muslims hate Jews. Etc. Every act of violence, oppression, land capture etc. by one side makes members of the other side hate them.



The question is how far back in time do you want to go and are you (royal) ultimately just trying to defend a position that everything is the fault of one side or the other?

Hezbollah was formed in the 80s after Israel invaded Lebanon. Why did they do that? PLO kept attacking them from there. Why were they there? Kicked out of Jordan. Why were they kicked out? Civil war. Why were they in Jordan in the first place? Fled after the 6-Day War. Etc. You can keep going back to 1948, or 1920, or pre WWI...
Interesting language, that Palestinians "fled after the 6-day war".

Your point is correct, but still using one-sided language.

As I said, I agree with your point. Both sides are responsible for this.

So we should treat both sides the same. We should put all the sanctions on Israel that we have on Hezbollah, Iran, Russia and Hamas.

Until both sides agree to a 2-state solution. And none of them are allowed to trade with anyone until they agree.

The only group not coming to the table are Israel, who have calculated that the more land they steal with western military superiority, the better off they will be.

Every other single entity on earth has a 2-state solution as part of the solution, except for Israel.
 
At this point, I'd be fairly certain that most of the hostages are dead.

Put yourself in the shoes of somebody holding them. If you're caught with them, you'll be killed. They were short on food and water for hostages months ago. The war is over and Israel aren't holding back because of hostages. So what's the point in risking your life for no objective?

I think the only thing holding up a ceasefire is that many of these hostages are probably dead and buried under rubble along with their captors and nobody knows where they are or who had them because everyone's dead.

And I can't see the difference between giving them back alive rather than dead except for the humanity of killing them. But if you're a member of Hamas or PIJ, that's probably not a huge concern.

Israel have vowed to destroy Hamas even if they get the hostages back. So giving back a live hostage is only going to provide a witness to pinpoint your execution.

I don't think I've ever seen a hostage negotiation where the negotiator had promised to kill the captors even if they hand back the hostages (regardless of the recent announcement by Israel, we all know they're going to hunt and kill all the captors).

Not announcing who will rule Gaza after the war also reinforces this.

Everything Israel is doing is encouraging the murder of the hostages.
 
At this point, I'd be fairly certain that most of the hostages are dead.

Put yourself in the shoes of somebody holding them. If you're caught with them, you'll be killed. They were short on food and water for hostages months ago. The war is over and Israel aren't holding back because of hostages. So what's the point in risking your life for no objective?

I think the only thing holding up a ceasefire is that many of these hostages are probably dead and buried under rubble along with their captors and nobody knows where they are or who had them because everyone's dead.

And I can't see the difference between giving them back alive rather than dead except for the humanity of killing them. But if you're a member of Hamas or PIJ, that's probably not a huge concern.

Israel have vowed to destroy Hamas even if they get the hostages back. So giving back a live hostage is only going to provide a witness to pinpoint your execution.

I don't think I've ever seen a hostage negotiation where the negotiator had promised to kill the captors even if they hand back the hostages (regardless of the recent announcement by Israel, we all know they're going to hunt and kill all the captors).

Not announcing who will rule Gaza after the war also reinforces this.

Everything Israel is doing is encouraging the murder of the hostages.

Negotiating for hostages is a touchy topic.

 
The fire in tel aviv was caused by the remnant of a missile. I dont think anyone was hurt. I'm not sure what the point is of reporting it like it was a massive attack but israelis would probably see this as a way to make out that they are responding to deadly force. I think israeli supporters are using different methods to make their point these days
 
The fire in tel aviv was caused by the remnant of a missile. I dont think anyone was hurt. I'm not sure what the point is of reporting it like it was a massive attack but israelis would probably see this as a way to make out that they are responding to deadly force. I think israeli supporters are using different methods to make their point these days

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nice use of bongos by the indian news...
 
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I tend to like stuff in the written word mostly with real humans doing the reporting. It's not that i believe them, it just means that they were there and they are putting their name on it.
 
well, we knew israel supported hamas electorally, but this is news. i wonder if the 1. 4 billion was yank money?




This was done months ago by ABC. I think that you'll find it on Four Corners if you want to see the whole thing.

Nice to see Adamski tweet it and get some more coverage for actual journalism.
 
I reported them to the AFP prior to Oct 7th for funding terrorism in the West Bank. AFP responded and said it wasn't their jurisdiction or something.

(I think the terrorism hotline only wants to hear about dark-skinned people)
Im not surprised, why did you think they would care?

I think you'll find the AFP wont be interested in citizen reporting of terrorism abroad. They are more interested in local intelligence regarding potential terror acts on Australian soil.
 
So you're just a hot Israeli chick away from joining the massacre.

of course, i have my career to think about. Palestinians do nothing for me networking wise.....And there's a bounty of hot israeli chicks .....half the acting population in hollywood is israeli....i like that wonder woman and that scarlett johannsen is a long time favourite... but there's a heap more
 
Im not surprised, why did you think they would care?

I think you'll find the AFP wont be interested in citizen reporting of terrorism abroad. They are more interested in local intelligence regarding potential terror acts on Australian soil.
They were raising money, in Australia, for the same groups now being sanctioned by the Australian Government. I reported them for raising money to support terrorism. Which they still promote.

If I were raising money for Hamas, they would be all over it. But Israeli terrorists are fine, apparently.
 

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