Is Eminem admitting 2pac is alive?

[^Eagle^]

In one of his songs on Encore, listening to it now - like toy soldiers and ive got the lyrics here. it appears to be talking about a ja V 50 battle or wotever but underneath it all the lyrics tend to be heading in the direction of admitting 2pacs false death:

"I'm supposed to be the soldier who never blows his composure
Even though I hold the weight of the whole world on my shoulders
I am never supposed to show it, my crew ain't supposed to know it "

my interpretation is that he is "never[supposed to] blow" the cover, he "hold the weight of the whole world on" his "shoulders" - could mean he has the ability to make "the whole[rap] world" collapse due to the knowledge that 2Pac faked his own death... "my crew ain't supposed to know it" - other people aren't supposed to know that 2pac is alive

now, i never realised this until i actually looked at the lyrcis later on in the same verse.

"I went through my whole career without ever mentionin' Suge
Now it's just out of respect for not runnin' my mouth
And talkin' about something that I knew nothing about
Plus Dre told me stay out, this just wasn't my beef
So I did, I just fell back, watched and gritted my teeth"

Now, "Suge" Knight was 2Pac's exec producer who was driving the car when 2Pac was allegedly shot seven times, while Suge Knight walked away without a scratch. As far as i know, Suge knight has nothing to do with Ja, 50, etc. So, going "through" his "whole career without ever mentionin[g] Suge" and the coverup he created...or how its impossible for him to get away without a scratch. he "knew nothing about" the coverup, so he never ran his "mouth" and therefore gained "respect" for this. he "gritted" his "teeth" because he was angry about the coverup, and wanted to talk about it yet was restrained from doing so.

"And this ******** just isn't none of my business
But still knowin' this ******** could pop off at any minute "

"Th[e]" fake death of 2pac "isnt" any "of" Eminem's "business", and he knows that if people discover the coverup, then the rap world would go crazy.
Eminem also talks about "Jay-Z and Nas" on this song(2 suspects in 2pac's death), when he claims that "this s*** goes far beyond...Jay-Z and Nas". so, he could mean that it wasn't "Jay-Z" or "Nas" who murdered 2pac, but it was "far beyond" them, which means it wasnt Biggie and it truly was a sophisticated and complicated scheme...

I dunno, i guess im a bit bored.........does anyone else care to 'investigate' the lyrics?

http://www.letssingit.com/?http://www.letssingit.com/eminem-like-toy-soldiers-tbtw9gb.html

If it really is a subliminal admission of a Tupac Shakur death coverup, then 1) I'm p*ssed off and 2) eminems a lyrical genius....anyway i think that if it really is commenting on Tupacs alleged coverup death then it is supposed to be so subliminal that listeners dont even realise it......failed on that account

 

[PAFC2004]

Why is this in the music board?
eminems stuff aint music

 

[Basic]

Alright. First up if Tupac was still alive today no one would care about him anymore he'd be out of his prime and forgotten. Secondly I wouldn't read too deep into those lyrics, even if it is what you think it's only there so people will start up rumors. Eminem doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would hide something he wanted to say in a song - he hasn't before he'd just come out and say it. As for sending the whole rap world crazy, well I doubt it. Unless Tupac himself came out and said yeah I'm still alive I tricked you all or whatever homie slur he'd say I don't think anyone would really care. Anyways good imagination you have but I think your reading to deep into a story about nothing.

 

[leonmagic]

In one of his songs on Encore, listening to it now - like toy soldiers and ive got the lyrics here. it appears to be talking about a ja V 50 battle or wotever but underneath it all the lyrics tend to be heading in the direction of admitting 2pacs false death:

"I'm supposed to be the soldier who never blows his composure
Even though I hold the weight of the whole world on my shoulders
I am never supposed to show it, my crew ain't supposed to know it "

my interpretation is that he is "never[supposed to] blow" the cover, he "hold the weight of the whole world on" his "shoulders" - could mean he has the ability to make "the whole[rap] world" collapse due to the knowledge that 2Pac faked his own death... "my crew ain't supposed to know it" - other people aren't supposed to know that 2pac is alive

now, i never realised this until i actually looked at the lyrcis later on in the same verse.

"I went through my whole career without ever mentionin' Suge
Now it's just out of respect for not runnin' my mouth
And talkin' about something that I knew nothing about
Plus Dre told me stay out, this just wasn't my beef
So I did, I just fell back, watched and gritted my teeth"

Now, "Suge" Knight was 2Pac's exec producer who was driving the car when 2Pac was allegedly shot seven times, while Suge Knight walked away without a scratch. As far as i know, Suge knight has nothing to do with Ja, 50, etc. So, going "through" his "whole career without ever mentionin[g] Suge" and the coverup he created...or how its impossible for him to get away without a scratch. he "knew nothing about" the coverup, so he never ran his "mouth" and therefore gained "respect" for this. he "gritted" his "teeth" because he was angry about the coverup, and wanted to talk about it yet was restrained from doing so.

"And this ******** just isn't none of my business
But still knowin' this ******** could pop off at any minute "

"Th[e]" fake death of 2pac "isnt" any "of" Eminem's "business", and he knows that if people discover the coverup, then the rap world would go crazy.
Eminem also talks about "Jay-Z and Nas" on this song(2 suspects in 2pac's death), when he claims that "this s*** goes far beyond...Jay-Z and Nas". so, he could mean that it wasn't "Jay-Z" or "Nas" who murdered 2pac, but it was "far beyond" them, which means it wasnt Biggie and it truly was a sophisticated and complicated scheme...

I dunno, i guess im a bit bored.........does anyone else care to 'investigate' the lyrics?

http://www.letssingit.com/?http://www.letssingit.com/eminem-like-toy-soldiers-tbtw9gb.html

If it really is a subliminal admission of a Tupac Shakur death coverup, then 1) I'm p*ssed off and 2) eminems a lyrical genius....anyway i think that if it really is commenting on Tupacs alleged coverup death then it is supposed to be so subliminal that listeners dont even realise it......failed on that account

hahah oh my God how pathetic...

Yes mate, it's all a conspiracy for......well.....no ********ing reason whatsoever!!

I agree with PAFC, this should be on the 'Little white man' Board.

 

[harry_hawka]

Firstly, the only thing pathetic about this thread has been the reply of leonmagic and PAFC. Eagle has gone to the trouble of actually producing something thought provoking, and you go and give it the usual boring Bigfooty sniping treatment. That's pathetic.

I've got no idea about the history of the rappers, or 2pac's death etc, but found your post to be an interesting one. Not sure whether you came up with that theory yourself, but if you did, it's a pretty in-depth way of looking at a song, and whether or not it's true, it's still a very interesting post. Good stuff!

 

[Basic]

Firstly, the only thing pathetic about this thread has been the reply of leonmagic and PAFC. Eagle has gone to the trouble of actually producing something thought provoking, and you go and give it the usual boring Bigfooty sniping treatment. That's pathetic.

I've got no idea about the history of the rappers, or 2pac's death etc, but found your post to be an interesting one. Not sure whether you came up with that theory yourself, but if you did, it's a pretty in-depth way of looking at a song, and whether or not it's true, it's still a very interesting post. Good stuff!

Gotta agree. Even though I don't buy into the whole rap underworld crap, I think it's all just a show to try and make them all look alot tougher than they are but anyway I read his whole post so it held my attention for at least that long and did make me think even if all I thought was well that's imaginative but I doubt it.

 

[Mog]

Wow, a thread featuring possibly the two most overrated "performers" of all time. I never thought I'd see the day.

 

[Convict]

I think people just need to let go sometimes. When ever someone famous dies it always seems like these conspiracy theories start coming out (usually from americans). At least people are challenging what they have been told by the media and authorities.
As far as I can see it though:
Courtney Love didnt kill Kurt Cobain
2pac is dead
Elvis is dead

 

[davo dog]

does he have any info on santa?

 

[Chemical]

Eminem trying to make even more money

 

[bunsen burner]

Firstly, the only thing pathetic about this thread has been the reply of leonmagic and PAFC. !

A pathetic post deserves a pathetic reply.

Eagle has gone to the trouble of actually producing something thought provoking,

Thought provoking? Mmmmmm.

First thought: How would Eminem know if Tupac is still alive?

Second thought: Chances of conspiracy theory is very very slim.

Third thought: Person who posted this thread is a ******.

Not sure whether you came up with that theory yourself

Theory? Hmmm. How about, say, "Tupac is dead"?

 

[Mr Eagle]

2Pac is still alive - Lord Lucan confirmed it to me just last week.

 

[Fritz_the_Cat]

I don't know if Tupac is still alive or not but i remember soon after he was supposedly murdered.. Chuck D said in an interview that it was possible that the death was faked & mentioned several inconsistencies that occurred after the murder allegedly took place.

IMO Chuck knows his stuff & for that reason alone i have never dismissed the conspiracy theory.. whoever said earlier "no reason whatsoever".. to sell more records would be the obvious reason.. i'm assuming that Tupac along with many other artists record sales have increased dramatically after their death.

 

[harry_hawka]

A pathetic post deserves a pathetic reply.

Thought provoking? Mmmmmm.

First thought: How would Eminem know if Tupac is still alive?

Second thought: Chances of conspiracy theory is very very slim.

Third thought: Person who posted this thread is a ******.

Theory? Hmmm. How about, say, "Tupac is dead"?

Not once did I say I agreed with what he said, and quite frankly, I couldn't care less about 2pac, Eminem and friends. For this reason, I didn't bother to comment or critique what he said, because I've got no idea about the issue myself.

Usually, I'd agree that chances of any conspiracy theories are very, very slim, and so is probably the case in this topic. But as I said, I've got no interest in the rap issues, so won't comment on this particular "theory".

For your last comment- It's still a "theory" whether it's right or wrong, is it not? A theory can still be complete bollocks and remain a theory.

The whole point of my post was that it's good to see someone post their ideas about a song of their interest. This is a music board afterall, and different opinions and theories can make it an interesting read. I don't necessarilly agree or disagree with what he's saying, but nonetheless it's good to see him express his opinion, even if he knows it's probably a far-fetched one. This is the first time I've seen a poster on this board break down parts of a song and analyse the lyrics, therefore I thought it was a refreshing post, regardless of content!

Bunsen, I reckon out of all the boards on Bigfooty, this'd be the one that you have the hardest time comprehending the idea of an opinion. It seems that anyone who may like music that aren't to your tastes, is a ******. Just let it go, I'm sure the minds of other posters aren't going to be changed by you telling them their tastes/ opinions are crap.

 

[Bobby Giovanni]

Hopefully he is alive so he can get shot another 7 times, as punishment for his rubbish music.

 

[Rave Slave]

I think people just need to let go sometimes. When ever someone famous dies it always seems like these conspiracy theories start coming out (usually from americans). At least people are challenging what they have been told by the media and authorities.
As far as I can see it though:

Courtney Love didnt kill Kurt Cobain

2pac is dead

Elvis is dead

Justice for Kurt

Interesting site - provides a good read with arguments for and against Courtney Love - I wouldn't be shocked if she did kill him but who knows

Tupac is dead there's an autopsy pic of his floating around the net - I wont post that one for the sake of the little kiddies young minds.

Elvis was a fat overrated singer who never left America. He's dead yes, but his fat overrated legacy lives on....

 

[choc_a_holic]

Lol

 

[bunsen burner]

Bunsen, I reckon out of all the boards on Bigfooty, this'd be the one that you have the hardest time comprehending the idea of an opinion.

How so? You posted your opinion and I laughed at it. Never said you weren't allowed to have it, just said it was stupid. It is a forum after all.

Seem you have a hard time comprehending that this is a forum where people can post their opinions. You posted yours, I posted mine, and now you are complaining? Do you realise you have just done exactly what I have done? Bit rich complaining about it don't you think?

It seems that anyone who may like music that aren't to your tastes, is a ******.

Not at all.

1) I din't have a go at your taste, I had a go at your stupid post.

2) Have been known to get stuck into prefab artists, R&B, and their followers. It's not so much about their crap taste but their lack of understanding about the very music they listen to.

3) Also been know to have a crack at people who listen to the adult comtempory genre of music. No apologies there.

4) But there are plenty of genres that I dispise with a passion (i.e. metal, death metal etc) that I leave alone. Why? Have a look at the people who are into the different genres (metal & r&b/hip hop/pop) - normal people who listen to different stuff than me and idiots who have no idea about music in general.

Just let it go, I'm sure the minds of other posters aren't going to be changed by you telling them their tastes/ opinions are crap.

What makes you think I'm trying to change their minds? I think they're idiots and I'm telling them so. Have absolutely no agenda to influence anyone's oinion.

ps After reading this post, maybe you need to let it go. Afterall it is a forum where people dicuss OPINIONS. And mine is as valid as any.