Roast Inner Feral Fan Unleashed - Warning - Unbridled, passionate, and objectionable opinions within

[Arr0w]

North have leapfrogged us? Cause they had one good win? This is just ridiculous

They look good though, recruiting tough, quick and good ball users

 

[JJBagger]

They look good though, recruiting tough, quick and good ball users

They do. But the "they've leapfrogged us" rhetoric is just dumb. It's such a week to week discussion that it doesn't warrant any legitimacy

 

[Arr0w]

They do. But the "they've leapfrogged us" rhetoric is just dumb. It's such a week to week discussion that it doesn't warrant any legitimacy

I agree, phases mean nothing, it's about a sustained direction

 

[Soapy V]

North have leapfrogged us? Cause they had one good win? This is just ridiculous

I don't think they have leapfrogged us but they are building nicely and I like what they are doing. By years end it could be a very different story. Their list looks very balanced to me and the brand of football is impressive. When and if it 'clicks' they could be very good

 

[Gavstar]

Draft will become compromised for a couple of years in very near future, this is why teams like * & Tigers are going draft now.

I think it’s all or nothing for us with this core group.

 

[Arr0w]

So now players arent happy?

This is getting very interesting

 

[Jatz]

So now players arent happy?

This is getting very interesting

Where's this been reported?

 

[Arr0w]

Where's this been reported?

Seems to have appeared on our forum, haven't seen anything in the media

 

[Bletch]

I don't think they have leapfrogged us but they are building nicely and I like what they are doing. By years end it could be a very different story. Their list looks very balanced to me and the brand of football is impressive. When and if it 'clicks' they could be very good

Given all the handouts they got, it's hardly surprising. They really should be improving rapidly.

 

[JustaBattler]

Player commitment gets a tick from me.

The vast majority have wholeheartedly executed the game plan, but the game plan has been left in the dust and we haven’t evolved.

So it was Voss's 'game plan' to let Richmond come back from a 40 point defiticit was it? I was Voss's 'game plan' that saw brain fart district football execution of teh basics wa sit?

Don't kid yourself mate - the players arent 'game enough' to execute on ANY game plan. The best you will see from 98% of players on the list is when it is a contract year.

What has Harry McKay done since he got hsi mega deal? Charlie? Do you think TDK is going to play as well AFTER whatever deal he takes is banked?

LOL players.

It is the ONLy competition in the woprld that ALLOWS players to DICTATE to Clubs- introduce live trading at any time and cap the % of total salary cap that any two players can earn and fix the failing competition before it is too late.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

and cap the % of total salary cap that any two players can earn and fix the failing competition before it is too late.

That's not bad idea, it is a team sport with plenty of dollars to be earned outside the club environment, if you're marketable enough.(Bailey Smith does alright)

 

[Triniboy]

What I find bizzare, everyone is mostly coming at coaching, rather than the players and recruiting

In fact, both the latter seem to be protected from criticism

Of course everyone in football knows its easier to sack one person, possibly gain a super hit, keep membership dollars flowing, rather than moving on a number of players and the recruiting department

Sure, address the short-term fix, but in doing so, get brutal with root cause

agree with all you mentioned!
players need to take a long hard look at themselves...the Tiges walked thru our tackles, doubt the coach's instructed them to take it easy on them.
I've criticized a number 1 draft pick here several times for his pathetic disposal skills ...even suggested trading him...got a 1week ban!
from where I sit...our need for years should've been bull type players (on all lines) rather than slightly built players who are generally prone to being knocked off the ball and injured.

 

[Class of 95]

I’m just done with this coach and this team. Richmond loss broke me … fact that they got trounced on the weekend by nobody special and that it looks like Norf have leap frogged up speaks volumes.

We as a footy club are completely lost

I'm with you there, the Richmond game was and is unforgettable. The playing group were an embarrassment, with the usual exceptions that have pride in themselves.

 

[Soapy V]

Given all the handouts they got, it's hardly surprising. They really should be improving rapidly.

True, but you still need to make the most of it. Many clubs have been given lots of handouts and done bugger all

 

[BluesFanatic2025]

Sorry but this was just drawn to my attention - https://sen.com.au/news/2025/01/30/...u-mckay-on-carltons-premiership-push-and-flag

If this is the mentality of Harry, he can go. As can anyone else with the same mentality.

This mirrors the comments that made by the Pies trade Grundy. How has this not been a bigger story?

Now I need to go buy a microwave to burn my membership

 

[Gethelred]

Sorry but this was just drawn to my attention - https://sen.com.au/news/2025/01/30/...u-mckay-on-carltons-premiership-push-and-flag

If this is the mentality of Harry, he can go. As can anyone else with the same mentality.

This mirrors the comments that made by the Pies trade Grundy. How has this not been a bigger story?

Now I need to go buy a microwave to burn my membership

I can certainly think of a few things I'd rather would disappear.

 

[Gethelred]

Following up from a post I made in the autopsy thread...

I have a few questions related to our player development. Clubs like Geelong and Sydney - seen as the benchmark for development comp wide - have almost a template they look for in a player, and develop that player in the direction of the template. Think, Heath Grundy/Ted Richards/Dayne Rampe/Tom MacCartin; JPK, Rowbottom, you get it. They also within those templates allow for individual self expression within certain parameters: Chad Warner because of his speed is allowed to do what Luke Parker - his template - couldn't do and break lines with straight line speed. When they trade a player, it's because while they succeeded in meeting the template they either have a plurality in that role - Hewitt, Aliir, Newman - or because they have someone more dynamic, someone whose individual point of difference is more valuable.

Why keep Hewitt when you have Mills or Heeney to play midfield, and both your other options for HBF are faster?

When we do development, it seems to me that we're trying to do the same thing, but without the permission of individual expression within the role. Key defender? You must all play like Jacob, and you must listen when called in, and you must stay on your man instead of listening when being called in. Midfielder? You all have to play like Patrick, and no I do not care if you're not the same size he is.

But the real problem there for me is that they don't seem to have the complete set of templates. Forward pocket? Dunno, play like a forward flanker and press up I guess. Utility like Brodie Kemp? Um... hang on, he's kinda like a key defender, that could work!

When you're a developement coach, you need above and beyond all else to know your own skillset: what am I good at, and what can I teach to an acceptable level? When you lack the skillset required to develop someone any further for any reason, find someone who has does.

The worst bit here for me is that I think we acknowledged this, way back in 2022 and we got in Austin. Look at who he traded for since then: we couldn't develop a mid to match or complement Cripps, trades for Hewitt. Couldn't develop a winger; Acres; Martin. I don't agree with the current development setup for KPD; Lewis Young's the answer.

We knew that this was a problem, and we've stunted the develoment of six to twelve players - Binns, Ollie Hollands, Owies, Fogarty, Motts, Cotts, Cowan, Durdin, Kemp - purely because the coaches lacked the self awareness to tell the club, we need more expertise.

It's like we've set up a school, but decided all we needed to teach was only the argument analysis components of english and only geometry in maths, with the teachers insisting we're really good at both of those things so everything's fine.

 

[Coona Blues]

Following up from a post I made in the autopsy thread,

Very relevant.

Voss has to go. He is unable to change.

This board continues to blame players, recruiters and fitness staff as it is reluctant to accept we have made another dud coaching appointment.

These coaches are destroying players as well as the reputations of support staff. Our methodology is unsustainable.

 

[BrianSetzer]

True, but you still need to make the most of it. Many clubs have been given lots of handouts and done bugger all

Yes from memory when we were really crap for a long time we were given first crack at the best player from the state league or some crap like that.

 

[Gethelred]

Very relevant.

Voss has to go. He is unable to change.

This board continues to blame players, recruiters and fitness staff as it is reluctant to accept we have made another dud coaching appointment.

These coaches are destroying players as well as the reputations of support staff. Our methodology is unsustainable.

Hadn't finished the post. Have now.

 

[Wickzki]

Very relevant.

Voss has to go. He is unable to change.

This board continues to blame players, recruiters and fitness staff as it is reluctant to accept we have made another dud coaching appointment.

These coaches are destroying players as well as the reputations of support staff. Our methodology is unsustainable.

It's not just the players, recruiters and fitness staff. It's the coaches too. It's everyone at every level responsible for the players on our list. Pure and simple .

If Voss goes then Lloyd, Austin and Agresta absolutely must too.

Defending Austin and Agresta is defending the indefensible.

 

[Coona Blues]

It's not just the players, recruiters and fitness staff. It's the coaches too. It's everyone at every level responsible for the players on our list. Pure and simple .

If Voss goes then Lloyd, Austin and Agresta absolutely must too.

Defending Austin and Agresta is defending the indefensible.

We can’t know that without being privy to what goes on behind closed doors at the club. How much clout does Voss have in list management, that goes back to Lloyd.

I can create a good argument for the recruiters, they have not had a lot of draft currency to throw around and when they did, we had Jagga go down skewing the merit of the decision.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Very relevant.

Voss has to go. He is unable to change.

This board continues to blame players, recruiters and fitness staff as it is reluctant to accept we have made another dud coaching appointment.

These coaches are destroying players as well as the reputations of support staff. Our methodology is unsustainable.

You mean SoS to CHB. Young and Kemp fwd is an incapacity to change?

 

[JustaBattler]

You mean SoS to CHB. Young and Kemp fwd is an incapacity to change?

I thought Young played his best game ever last night - that must have been a decision / selection made by the tea lady too.

when the bottom 6-8 players are playing spudball week in week out this is also Voss's fault because he could have chosen umm- well a couple from VFL who play VFL spudball to replace them and 'make a statement'.

It is Voss's fault that both Motlop and Cpottrell have. habit off ignoring team mates in marked in front of goals -in order to execute beautiful attempts at running bananas...that is Voss's definition of 'team work'

It is also Voss's fault that the players don't follow instructions to 'take the game on' - and when they do they decide that they should stop because they have a 3-4 goal lead in the first quarter...

but hey lets sack everyone at the Club - and piuck a shiny new coach who can have a hioney moon period for 6 montsh before the finger pointing starts.


Right now the team is playing football good enough to compete or lead for 2 1/2 quarters before the opposition starts playing through its obvious weaknesses - which is all along either boundary starting from forward pockets.

 

[Wickzki]

We can’t know that without being privy to what goes on behind closed doors at the club. How much clout does Voss have in list management, that goes back to Lloyd.

I can create a good argument for the recruiters, they have not had a lot of draft currency to throw around and when they did, we had Jagga go down skewing the merit of the decision.

Whose fault is it that we didn't have a lot of draft currency?

Trading first round picks for already 26 non-AA (at that point) half back flankers who would be in their 30s during our future premiership window is burning trade currency.

Trading first-round-picks for vanilla midfielders (albeit a very good footballer) who has already had serious soft tissue injuries before they get to the club burns trade currency.

Trading down in what was considered a top-loaded 2019 AFL Draft for two lower picks is burning trade currency.

3 consecutive years of trade currency that the club burnt.

Instead of continuing to build through the draft like a normal building organisation, the club became impatient, the highest selections that we've had between drafting Sam Walsh (1st in 2018) and Ollie Hollands (11th in 2022) are:

• Brodie Kemp, 17 in 2019
• Sam Philp, 20 in 2019
• Corey Durdin, 37 in 2020
• Jack Carroll, 41 in 2020
• Jesse Motlop, 27 in 2021

WITHOUT making the finals once.

All of this before Voss even got to the club.

You want to talk about not having draft capital?

We pissed it away.

The damage in this period came entirely during Brad Lloyd's reign of terror as the "general manager of football," Agresta was list manager and subsequently national recruiting manager and after Nick Austin became list manager.


And that's not even hammering on Agresta's tremendous eye for talent in selecting Dow and O'Brien the year before this mess.

e: And no, this isn't revisionist history. Many here were angry about ponying up so much for Saad. Most were against trading down in 2019. Many were concerned with Cerra's injury history at the time. Most of us rationalized it and accepted it but as fans what else can we do?