If not guilty doesn't mean innocent...

[Dan Cooper]

Get a legal dictionary.

Done

Here's a legal definition of innocent for you >

"A person accused of and prosecuted for the commission of a crime is presumed innocent until proved guilty"

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/innocent

 

[Chameleon75]

Done

Here's a legal definition of innocent for you >

"A person accused of and prosecuted for the commission of a crime is presumed innocent until proved guilty"

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/innocent

http://thelawdictionary.org/verdict-of-not-guilty/

you can aalways find something to suit your argument on the Internet

I'll let you two get back to your semantics

 

[Dan Cooper]

http://thelawdictionary.org/verdict-of-not-guilty/

you can aalways find something to suit your argument on the Internet

I'll let you two get back to your semantics

There's no argument and no semantics. It's basic as basic >

The Essendon 34 have never been found guilty of anything, and until such time as they are, they are innocent.

 

[Chameleon75]

There's no argument and no semantics. It's basic as basic >

The Essendon 34 have never been found guilty of anything, and until such time as they are, they are innocent.

presumed innocent

 

[Dan Cooper]

Hilarious stuff. You post this >

I'll let you two get back to your semantics

And then very next post provide semantics of your own >

presumed innocent

I love this place

 

[Chameleon75]

Hilarious stuff. You post this >



And then very next post provide semantics of your own >



I love this place

that was the point I was making

 

[Dan Cooper]

that was the point I was making

Oh, your point was very clear

 

[Chameleon75]

Oh, your point was very clear

I'll make sure I spell it out more clearly for you next time

 

[Dan Cooper]

I'll make sure I spell it out more clearly for you next time

Cheers

 

[Laphroaig]

Done

Here's a legal definition of innocent for you >

"A person accused of and prosecuted for the commission of a crime is presumed innocent until proved guilty"

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/innocent

**** me. How often does this shit have to be rehashed.

Riddle me this. If the presumption of innocence means what you want to believe it does.

Why is it that 1/4 of the people in jail in Australia right now are "innocent"? Have not been to trial, let alone found guilty of anything. And yet they are behind bars and in many cases that incarceration awaiting trial is for 6-12 months, or even longer.

Apparently the judges who lock them up for the protection of the community are yet to benefit from your deep insight into the law.

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

Hilarious stuff. You post this >



And then very next post provide semantics of your own >



I love this place

It is entertaining...just not exactly sure what you are trying to convince everyone / yourself of?

 

[Dan Cooper]

It is entertaining...just not exactly sure what you are trying to convince everyone / yourself of?

innocent until proven guilty - but I'm already convinced of that - though others seem confused.

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

innocent until proven guilty - but I'm already convinced of that - though others seem confused.

Yes sometimes if you say it enough you can convince yourself. Keep going.

 

[Arcticalloy]

EFC are not guilty, if anything they are just guilty of injecting thousands of times with needles full of caramel, after all caramel never hurt anyone.

 

[Cronos]

innocent until proven guilty - but I'm already convinced of that - though others seem confused.

Place the word "presumed" in front of your bolded part, and it will make sense.

If they're innocent, they didn't do it.
If they're guilty, they did it.
Neither of these two have anything to do with a court of law, a tribunal or anything else. It's a binary position of they either did it, or they didn't. A court/tribunal does not actually decide whether you are innocent or guilty. Your actions do.

To be found guilty means there is enough evidence to satisfy whatever threshold is in place to determine guilt/innocence. Being found guilty does not actually change the binary mentioned before, just that someone in a position of authority has been convinced to the required level of satisfaction.

Found not guilty means that the person or people in a position of authority has not been convinced to the threshold required of guilt. A presumption of innocence is therefore made, although this does not change the actual binary position of innocent or guilty.

 

[Dan Cooper]

Yes sometimes if you say it enough you can convince yourself. Keep going.

innocent until proven guilty - I've been convinced of that all the way through because they have never been found guilty of anything - surprised you aren't familiar with the term?

Cheers

 

[caitsith01]

Place the word "presumed" in front of your bolded part, and it will make sense.

If they're innocent, they didn't do it.
If they're guilty, they did it.
Neither of these two have anything to do with a court of law, a tribunal or anything else. It's a binary position of they either did it, or they didn't. A court/tribunal does not actually decide whether you are innocent or guilty. Your actions do.

To be found guilty means there is enough evidence to satisfy whatever threshold is in place to determine guilt/innocence. Being found guilty does not actually change the binary mentioned before, just that someone in a position of authority has been convinced to the required level of satisfaction.

Found not guilty means that the person or people in a position of authority has not been convinced to the threshold required of guilt. A presumption of innocence is therefore made, although this does not change the actual binary position of innocent or guilty.

This guy gets it.

Actual innocence or guilt is different from innocence or guilt for the purposes of the criminal legal process (which incidentally is not the process that occurred here).

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

innocent until proven guilty - I've been convinced of that all the way through because they have never been found guilty of anything - surprised you aren't familiar with the term?

Cheers

Just like O.J then ?

 

[Jesse Custer]

Just like O.J then ?

Orange juice is nice

 

[Jack Gun Cyril Stun]

Orange juice is nice

Of that I am convinced!

 

[Duckworth]

Of that I am convinced!

comfortably satisfied?

 

[Chameleon75]

comfortably satisfied?

with a bit of vodka sure

 

[Sanchez365]

Oh dear.

That's pretty amazing right? That guy would make an awesome lawyer.

 

[Crankyhawk]

It follows that guilty doesn't mean not innocent.

Whatever the next year brings is really quite irrelevant as WADA can never prove any player's lack of innocence.

Guilty does mean gets punished though or some sanction which will comfortably satisfy the foamers.

 

[fishardansin]

Don't worry Guzz. The boys will be found not guilty again, but many around here will hang on to "but but but"

To which I will replay "what what?"