Henry Slattery Effect

[Slattery_20]

You call me a fool yet you overate our players The youth is doing more things for essendon than its established seniors and i find it a joke. I might sound critical but at least im a realist.

No, you think you're a genius for popping up after a loss and potting every player you can name.
Not every person feels the need to constantly pot, if you can't say anything nice...

You've had about 2 posts between ANZAC day (loss) and this week (loss). Says it all, really.

You'll find, if not before, certainly in the last few months about 99% of people have realised exactly the same prophetic words of wisdom which you think are incredibly insightful, are in fact just basically what we all think anyway.

Guess what: you're not a genius, nor are you original; you're just a sad negative keyboard basher.

 

[The Donners]

You can't play injured players nobody is arguing that. But it just really exposes how poor the depth is. Would you call it AFL quality depth?

Hmm in terms of needs id put NLM ahead of Dyson, Slattery, Myers and Hille with the exception of Monfries and Stanton.

How Reimers and Davey didnt get a game over Myers, Slattery, Hille, Dyson when we were slow all those weeks is beyond me

You call me a fool yet you overate our players The youth is doing more things for essendon than its established seniors and i find it a joke. I might sound critical but at least im a realist.

Reimers is too selfish and Davey hasn't done anything post-broken arm.

The youth have been doing more than the senior established players for a number of years now.

 

[donAthon]

No, you think you're a genius for popping up after a loss and potting every player you can name.
Not every person feels the need to constantly pot, if you can't say anything nice...

You've had about 2 posts between ANZAC day (loss) and this week (loss). Says it all, really.

You'll find, if not before, certainly in the last few months about 99% of people have realised exactly the same prophetic words of wisdom which you think are incredibly insightful, are in fact just basically what we all think anyway.

Guess what: you're not a genius, nor are you original; you're just a sad negative keyboard basher.

ahahaha thanks Henry Cheers for your input there

I post when I feel the need to post and I haven't doubted anything the club has done other than what i have stated.

You can say what you like about me to divert the focus off the obvious but its clear.

The senior players dont cut it. We would be in Hawthorns position now with young players like shields, poppolo ect if we had a good core which we dont. The difference between Carlton, Hawthorn and Essendon is... WE DONT DRAFT MIDFIELDERS. blatantly obvious.. Carlton is just a team of midfielders. You know why Hawthorn is doing better than Carlton and Essendon? It manages its list better and does TRADES. But also, the amount of injuries Essendon gets is ridiculous and you would of thought all the sport science staff could assist in the prevention of this? Maybe if more money was invested into the football department rather than glossy advertisements pre game perhaps we would have less injuries.

 

[Slattery_20]

Aaannnnndd welcome to 2008.

 

[ManWithNoName]

You can't play injured players nobody is arguing that. But it just really exposes how poor the depth is. Would you call it AFL quality depth?

Hmm in terms of needs id put NLM ahead of Dyson, Slattery, Myers and Hille with the exception of Monfries and Stanton.

How Reimers and Davey didnt get a game over Myers, Slattery, Hille, Dyson when we were slow all those weeks is beyond me

You call me a fool yet you overate our players The youth is doing more things for essendon than its established seniors and i find it a joke. I might sound critical but at least im a realist.

Because they play completely different roles? Why in the name of god are you comparing Davey to Hille? For crying out loud.

 

[coleman10]

I'm sick of this. I'm so, so sick of this.
Why I keep pointing out the obvious to a myopic group of supporters is beyond me.

50,000+ members but only 1 can have an opinion?

Whomb, I'll back you up on defending the unfair criticism of Stanton and Ryder, but face facts, Slattery is a muppet. End of story. Has always been one and will continue to be one.

And using words like "myopic" only goes to show the delusion of grandeur.

I thought our slogan was "Stand As One", Not "Whomb IS the ONE".

 

[Slattery_20]

Yeah Whomb, show you're part of the club by potting our players... nothing says unity like divisiveness!!! Nothing says support like unwarranted criticism!

 

[ManWithNoName]

I'm sick of Whomb and his consistent attitude and his realism. He needs to be more reactive and extreme, "TOP 4 BITCHES" one week then "KILL SLATTERY" the next.

 

[Kong]

I cannot understand why some people want to stand up for Slattery like he is their brother!!

What does he provide Essesndon?
Leg speed? No
Foot Skills? No
Decision making? No
Ability to shut a player down? On the odd occasion, but for the most part he is beaten by more clever and creative players.

He can have all the endevour and commitment in the world, but the fact of the matter is that he simply is not up to AFL standard and should be delistd at the end of the year. He is not a Mark Johnson, he is not a Damien Hardwick, he is just out of his depth.

I acknowledge he's a very limited player (though I'm expecting him to become a little more attacking, injuries permitting), but with McVeigh doing other roles, Hardingham likewise, Fletcher likewise, and Hibberd promising but not quite there (not to mentioned injured for most of the year), who would you propose we play instead?

As much as I like him (Hank), I'd be content for him to be pushed out of the side. With a full squad, and assuming Hibberd becomes more reliable with his shut down jobs, I'd say that happens.

Until then, he'll play.

 

[Kong]

50,000+ members but only 1 can have an opinion?

Whomb, I'll back you up on defending the unfair criticism of Stanton and Ryder, but face facts, Slattery is a muppet. End of story. Has always been one and will continue to be one.

And using words like "myopic" only goes to show the delusion of grandeur.

I thought our slogan was "Stand As One", Not "Whomb IS the ONE".

No comment necessary.

 

[raskolnikov]

Slattery is a dud. End of story.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Remember that huge second effort by Slattery on the wing in the last quarter that led to a goal? When the rest of the team had just given up?

Anybody want to talk about that?

 

[Tassieboy]

I'm as forgiving and positive as they come. However, if he plays ONE more game...

 

[The House]

I'd be embarrassed too if I were you; worrying what a bunch of drunken Carlton supporters think.Well it is.

See my post above. I admit Hank lost him at the end by allowing Betts to run and get goal side. He's at fault for that goal, as is Heppell, as is Carlisle.

If you can't see that you have no objectivity whatsoever.

Apologies for the lack of clarity re embarrassing - i meant what he did was embarrassing for him and our club....didn't mean that i was embarrassed because so many people were having a good ol' belly laugh at a hopeless player in my side.

And you want objectivity? - feel free to jump in if you feel i'm wrong on any of the following:

Heppell and Carlisle both had their direct opponents near by, as did Slattery....Hep and Jake certainly needed to be mindful not to leave their direct opponent unguarded, as to avoid Betts simply drawing them in and giving an easy goal to their direct opponents with a handball over the top to an unguarded man. Had they done that they would have desrvadly copped criticism for dumb footy when they looked at the tapes.

Heppell and Carlisle had an obligation to be mindful of their men in that circumstance, and had every right to hold the presumption that Slattery being an experienced afl defender, would at VERY LEAST not allow Betts to run straight past him and be shooting from point blank range.

The worst part of that whole incident isn't just that Betts kicked a goal, it's that Slattery's job in that circumstance was easy - all he had to do was not allow Betts to run past him into the goal square....force/corral him wide to kick backwards to what would hopefully be a contest (would not have been Slattery's fault if there was an open man) or attempt a freak snap under pressure on an acute angle. Even better if he could have layed a tackle in that instance, but corralling would be the bare minimum required from an experienced afl defender......instead you saw what happened.

And i think everyone's forgetting the ease in which Hank's direct opponent Garlett kicked his first goal in the first quarter also.

Truth is as embarrassingly bad as the effort highlighted was, had he laid a perfect tackle and won a free, his game was still a 2/10 at best.....let's not get caught up with one effort or even one game when assessing whether or not this bloke (or anyone) is up to afl standard.....

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[Skeeta Olly]

Remember that huge second effort by Slattery on the wing in the last quarter that led to a goal? When the rest of the team had just given up?

Anybody want to talk about that?

Why would we do that.

 

[Slappery]

I acknowledge he's a very limited player (though I'm expecting him to become a little more attacking, injuries permitting), but with McVeigh doing other roles, Hardingham likewise, Fletcher likewise, and Hibberd promising but not quite there (not to mentioned injured for most of the year), who would you propose we play instead?

As much as I like him (Hank), I'd be content for him to be pushed out of the side. With a full squad, and assuming Hibberd becomes more reliable with his shut down jobs, I'd say that happens.

Until then, he'll play.

Just on this:

Henry has been told by the coaching staff this is one area of his game he needs to work on. He has sought advice from current and past players and coaches on the matter, and is listening to anyone that can give him constructive critism and help him improve and add that dimension to his game.

It is a well known fact, well to me anyway, that Knights wanted Henry to be a stopper and stopper only. He was not given any latitude to attack what so ever. Sheedy also had a small part in this, as he wanted him to learn to defend first, then attack. (which is what all modern coaches do)..but Sheeds didn't get the opportunity to coach him long ehough. Knights did not want Henry to attack. Ever.

It is not going to happen over night, but it is an area of his game that he is working on. Shaun Rehn is advising him and helping him gain confidence in learning when to attack and when not too. (Rehn was his coach at West Adelaide before he got drafted). You would be suprised to know, Henry was an attacking defender for Rehn

Lets give him a break hey. He trying to get rid of this solely defensive mind set, as i said it is going to take time. but Henry will not stop learning, listening, getting fitter, stronger, faster...He will do anything and everything to become a better player. It is just hard for him after 5 or 6 years of being told to do nothing but defend and stop, to all of a sudden attack.

 

[Kong]

Heppell and Carlisle both had their direct opponents near by, as did Slattery....Hep and Jake certainly needed to be mindful not to leave their direct opponent unguarded, as to avoid Betts simply drawing them in and giving an easy goal to their direct opponents with a handball over the top to an unguarded man. Had they done that they would have desrvadly copped criticism for dumb footy when they looked at the tapes.

Heppell and Carlisle had an obligation to be mindful of their men in that circumstance, and had every right to hold the presumption that Slattery being an experienced afl defender, would at VERY LEAST not allow Betts to run straight past him and be shooting from point blank range.

The worst part of that whole incident isn't just that Betts kicked a goal, it's that Slattery's job in that circumstance was easy - all he had to do was not allow Betts to run past him into the goal square....force/corral him wide to kick backwards to what would hopefully be a contest (would not have been Slattery's fault if there was an open man) or attempt a freak snap under pressure on an acute angle. Even better if he could have layed a tackle in that instance, but corralling would be the bare minimum required from an experienced afl defender......instead you saw what happened.

I agree that every player has a duty to mind their player, but they also have a duty to help out each other. It's what makes Fletcher so good.

Now this isn't me berating two kids for not doing it, but AFL defence, and overall "game plans", is about knowing when to go.

IMO Heppell was best positioned to go at him, with Carlisle minding the goal square and Hank the path to the goals.

I agree though, that Hank stuffed it up by buying the candy and opening up the goal side to Betts. It was bad, but he wasn't solely responsible.

The goal on Garlett was bad, too.

See, objectivity.

 

[The House]

I agree that every player has a duty to mind their player, but they also have a duty to help out each other. It's what makes Fletcher so good.

Now this isn't me berating two kids for not doing it, but AFL defence, and overall "game plans", is about knowing when to go.

IMO Heppell was best positioned to go at him, with Carlisle minding the goal square and Hank the path to the goals.

I agree though, that Hank stuffed it up by buying the candy and opening up the goal side to Betts. It was bad, but he wasn't solely responsible.

The goal on Garlett was bad, too.

See, objectivity.

Fair enough....you'll note that there was an "if" in me saying you lacked objectivity on this one, and upon further clarification by your good self, i'll take it back.

But we're splitting hairs really - it sounds like we both feel that whilst others could have taken a punt and hoped Betts didn't simply pop it over the top to the open man they just created, it was Slattery's job to esure that under no circumstances could his opponent take possession and be shooting for goal under no pressure from one metre out. A task in which he not only failed, but looked below par and out of his depth in doing so.

Again as i said earlier, this one effort and even the entire Carlton game are only a small piece in an 8 or so year career - my opinion on his abilities and what he delivers are no different to what they were last week.

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[Kong]

Fair enough, and neither are mine.

 

[efcboy]

h.slattery will play this week. i have little doubt about that due to the injury problems. the side is inexperienced enough as it is so they have little choice but to play him. best scenario is that he plays on an underdone returning didak.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

If anyone's still genuinely saying that Slattery is at an AFL standard and has good defensive instincts, they need only look at this:

[youtube]7wOQ1xe6gI4[/youtube]

It's just embarrassing. He stuffs up not only once, but twice, has no awareness of Heppell's position, and is completely and utterly outwitted. That should never happen. Got no problem with his effort, but any player worth his salt isn't going to be fooled by that.

That 21 bloke is rubbish too. Delist him.

I'm sick of Whomb and his consistent attitude and his realism. He needs to be more reactive and extreme, "TOP 4 BITCHES" one week then "KILL SLATTERY" the next.

SACK WHOMB. BRING BACK QUINN.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

For what it's worth,

EDDIE BETTS:

Goal #1 (Q1, 1:52): Beats McVeigh on the lead.
Goal #2 (Q1, 15:11): Kicks into the 50 after marking while on McVeigh, then beats McVeigh running back towards goal. Slattery leaves Armfield to try and get to Betts, but to no avail.
Goal #3 (Q1, 29:02): Hardingham kicks directly to Betts.
Goal #4 (Q2, 55:50): Nudges Hardingham in the contest, runs into open goal. 50/50 as to whether it should have been a free against Betts. Slattery on the bench at the time.
Goal #5 (Q3, 79:05): Turns Carlisle, Slattery, and Heppell inside out from the pocket.
Goal #6 (Q3, 91:10): Beats Slattery on the lead. Monfries fails to fill the space into which Betts led, instead electing to stand within 5m of two Essendon players in the zone.
Goal #7 (Q4, 112:53): Marks inside 50 from a perfect pass from Yarran. Nothing any defender could have done to prevent that.
Goal #8 (Q4, 116:40): Marks in a one on one with Slattery after a blatant push in the back.

Bolded are the players at fault for each goal, in my opinion. I challenge anyone to watch the footage I've linked and disagree with that.

 

[stay true]

The difference between Carlton, Hawthorn and Essendon is... WE DONT DRAFT MIDFIELDERS.

2010: Pick 8 D.Heppell MID
2009: Pick 10 J.Melksham MID, Pick 26 T.Colyer MID
2008: Pick 23 D.Zaharakis MID, Traded Pick 39 for B.Prismall MID

But no, you're right. We don't draft midfielders.

 

[Slappery]

2010: Pick 8 D.Heppell MID
2009: Pick 10 J.Melksham MID, Pick 26 T.Colyer MID
2008: Pick 23 D.Zaharakis MID, Traded Pick 39 for B.Prismall MID

But no, you're right. We don't draft midfielders.

Or Key Position Players either...just HBF's and HFF..

Children get angry and upset when you quote facts and prove them wrong....there will be some lame comeback to this staytrue....just wait

 

[coleman10]

Watch it again.

Slattery's main job as a defender is to cover HIS man, Betts. He commits to the spoil while Betts stays down. Mistake #1. Carlisle had the spoil covered!
Carlisle is covering Thornton in the actual marking contest and they both fall over, so Carlisle shouldn't have to cover Betts.
Heppell follows his man, Curnow, into what he believes could be an ideal front & centre opportunity with the obvious intention of covering Curnow should he get near it. Yes he may have been a little closer, but at that distance, he could make the ground if required.
The ball falls into Betts' hands over the back.
He sells Slattery once, moves towards giving off a handball to Curnow, so Heppell covers the immediate hand-off space and forces Betts to go back toward goal.
Slattery comes again.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
GOOOOOOAAAAAAALLLLL OF THE YEAR.

Heppell and Carlisle BOTH did the RIGHT thing in that play IMO.

As a coach, I couldn't ask any more of those two in that situation, but a 100-gamer who is renowned for being a negating stopper, should do MUCH better.

Let's hope he doesn't go to Daisy FFS!

Muppet.