Opinion Has this Carlton list already peaked?

[carlton_99]

Dodging the question again... Can't tell us anyone Ward would replace with anything to support it, can't tell us if Mckay would walk into the side currently chasing Oscar Allen on big bucks...

What's the point in even replying?

And it's clear they don't watch Harry play if they think Mitchell wanting talls that chase/pressure would disqualify him from the team. An area Harry is very strong in especially for someone his size.

 

[VinnieB]

Walsh the Gary Ayres medallist who can't kick, can't win his own ball, does no damage, can't run and has no game sense.

What a man!

And Woewoedin won a Brownlow.

Sometimes these things just can’t be explained.

 

[matey]

Dodging the question again... Can't tell us anyone Ward would replace with anything to support it, can't tell us if Mckay would walk into the side currently chasing Oscar Allen on big bucks...

What's the point in even replying?

A lot of Carlton supporters are calling for him to be traded to get some picks …….. hate to say it but that says it all!

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

A lot of Carlton supporters are calling for him to be traded to get some picks …….. hate to say it but that says it all!

There's also Carlton supporters calling for Cripps to be stripped of the captaincy and be traded. Everyone's got some odd opinions after a bad start to the year!

 

[matey]

There's also Carlton supporters calling for Cripps to be stripped of the captaincy and be traded. Everyone's got some odd opinions after a bad start to the year!

Don’t know a Carlton supporter that has a bad word to say about Cripps but MacKay different storey sorry to say.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Don’t know a Carlton supporter that has a bad word to say about Cripps but MacKay different storey sorry to say.

Clearly haven't looked at the Carlton board after a loss then

 

[matey]

Clearly haven't looked at the Carlton board after a loss then

I’m talking about people I actually know …… not the BF experts on here

 

[HirdyLannister]

Sam Walsh is Carlton's version of Archie Perkins.
Complete rubbish player who is a waste of a great draft pick.

A bit harsh on Perkins, he didn't cost pick 1 and isn't as crap as Walsh

 

[Mr Meow]

Time to get him off the books and back Jagga in for 2026.

 

[Mr.X]

I’m talking about people I actually know …… not the BF experts on here

I hope some of those people aren’t any of the great “journalists” we see in the media

 

[Mr.X]

A lot of Carlton supporters are calling for him to be traded to get some picks …….. hate to say it but that says it all!

Looking at it now, it would have been in Carlton and McKay’s best interests if he was traded.

He seems disengaged

 

[zyzzbruh]

While I'd love to have Longmire as coach, I don't think you can fairly say we have no ball movement or game plan...

Our biggest Achilles heel this year was defending defensive half stoppages, which is something we did exceptionally well at in 2023. In 2025 we excelled at defending from turnover and scoring from turnover, two indicators that our transition play was actually working rather well.

I believe we finished 4th and 3rd in those metrics at the end of the year from memory, down from 1st and 1st at round 19. We finished bottom 3 for defending stoppage in our D50.

Just come back here to bump your post in reply to my comment I told you Carlton had 0 method of ball movement yet you lot got sucked in again. Could have seen it then an there and lowered your expectations to avoid disappointment instead of waiting till round 4 to admittedly realise your team have absolutely no idea what they're doing on the footy field.

Your only hope to save anything is to get Longmire in. Even then the core group is so embedded in its contest first ways that it'll be hard to get them into a routine of playing a well structured system. From that point the only way forward is to gut the list, and with Tassie coming in that's going to be one hard rebuild. Pretty confident carlton won't get any wiff of success until their next rebuild which could take 20 years to develop.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Just come back here to bump your post in reply to my comment I told you Carlton had 0 method of ball movement yet you lot got sucked in again. Could have seen it then an there and lowered your expectations to avoid disappointment instead of waiting till round 4 to admittedly realise your team have absolutely no idea what they're doing on the footy field.

Your only hope to save anything is to get Longmire in. Even then the core group is so embedded in its contest first ways that it'll be hard to get them into a routine of playing a well structured system. From that point the only way forward is to gut the list, and with Tassie coming in that's going to be one hard rebuild. Pretty confident carlton won't get any wiff of success until their next rebuild which could take 20 years to develop.

Gut the list, blow it all up. 20 years more of pain. Gotcha!

 

[zyzzbruh]

Gut the list, blow it all up. 20 years more of pain. Gotcha!

And I don't mean that to throw shade. I'm grateful and lucky that I support a team that has prioritised skill and elite ball movement before anything else - that takes you way further in winning today's game than contested application. Like I said in my initial post I watch carlton avidly. Through my lense, after following the swans where Im able to consistently predict how the ball is about to move from one end of the field to another because we do it so well, it's plain as daylight that your ball movement ability is non existent. And that comes either from the players just not having the ability, the coach not having a clue or not being able to implement it effectively, or a mixture of both.

The problem is that it's embedded into your core group for years on end now, so I'm not saying gut the list as a throw off joke like others do. I genuinely think that may be the only way out of this. First tho has to be a strong coach who has a demonstrated track record of what you need to restabilise - similar to what roos did with Melbourne, then rebuild from there.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

And I don't mean that to throw shade. I'm grateful and lucky that I support a team that has prioritised skill and elite ball movement before anything else - that takes you way further in winning today's game than contested application. Like I said in my initial post I watch carlton avidly. Through my lense, after following the swans where Im able to consistently predict how the ball is about to move from one end of the field to another because we do it so well, it's plain as daylight that your ball movement ability is non existent. And that comes either from the players just not having the ability, the coach not having a clue or not being able to implement it effectively, or a mixture of both.

The problem is that it's embedded into your core group for years on end now, so I'm not saying gut the list as a throw off joke like others do. I genuinely think that may be the only way out of this. First tho has to be a strong coach who has a demonstrated track record of what you need to restabilise - similar to what roos did with Melbourne, then rebuild from there.

The only issue that I have with this is last year at the time you were posting all this we weren't facing the issues we are currently. We were both moving the ball and scoring freely most games. You said we didn't have any distinguishable system yet we were the #1 scores from turnover and #1 defending turnover at the time and sitting 2nd on the ladder.

This year is a whole nother story. Without Newman, Boyd and Elijah in our team our poor ball users across the park have been exposed for what they are as well don't have them as outlets to play through, other players are out of form and our forward line is a complete calamity without McKay and Curnow still working his way back to fitness.

If you were to list all of Carlton's issues this year you'd find no argument from me, but as I said, you brought up all this at a time where no such issues were present.

 

[Freomaniac]

Cannot believe that Cripps is already 30. With his bash and crash style, I'd say he has 3 or 4 years left max (same age as Selwood retirement, at a guess).

That's really sad, as he deserves a flag. Can't see it coming with this list though.

Cripps is a solid player. I just get pissed off he always plays his best game vs Freo every year LoL.

Just unlucky timing. Came into the 2013 draft where Carlton some how made finals and won a final.

Yet Carlton had to go through a rebuild from 2014-2022.

Carlton made finals in 2023 and won 2 finals. They played one final in 2024.

I hate to bring up the Freo comparison. But I look at freos 3 key position pillars in 2012.

Pav kicked 60 goals at CHF. McPharlin was awesome as a key defender.

Sandilands was a 210 cm giant of a ruckman.

All 3 blokes were aged 30 years or over when we made finals in 2012.

I will always savour every final from 2012-15.

I am still gutted about that 2015 preliminary final loss to the hawks.

Watching an injured Luke McPharlin in tears after the game saddened me. I knew freos finals run was over that night

One of only 2 games in my 25 years as a few supporter I was in tears after a dockers loss.

 

[Freomaniac]

Gut the list, blow it all up. 20 years more of pain. Gotcha!

Should the dockers do the same thing with their playing squad? LoL

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Should the dockers do the same thing with their playing squad? LoL

Nah the Dockers list is looking cherry ripe, JL might have to go though if they don't get a move on soon. Young back soon should help with some of the issues though.

 

[zyzzbruh]

The only issue with this is last year at the time you were posting all this we had no such issues and were both moving the ball and scoring freely. You said we didn't have a system yet we were the #1 scores from turnover and #1 defending turnover at the time.

This year is a whole nother story. Without Newman, Boyd and Elijah in our team our poor ball users across the park have been exposed for what they are as well don't have them as outlets to play through, other players are out of form and our forward line is a complete calamity without McKay and Curnow still working his way back to fitness.

If you were to list all of Carlton's issues this year you'd find no argument from me, but as I said, you brought up all this at a time where no such issues were present.

I didn't pull it out of thin air. I was literally just telling you what I was observing. Can't tell me it's pure coincidence that I threw up a random opinion that just so happened to all of a sudden become the truth only now. Yeah you managed winning scores but your offensive transition always looked clunky and unpredictable. You can throw stats around but the eye test doesn't lie. Even if you think it looked fine, it was still poor compared to the better teams, I saw it a mile away and for years on end including your prelim year. You can laugh but the jokes on you guys at the end of the day, I was proven correct.

Ultimately your style of play was inefficient and unsustainable, and now it's all come out in the wash.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I didn't pull it out of thin air. I was literally just telling you what I was observing. Can't tell me it's pure coincidence that I threw up a random opinion that just so happened to all of a sudden become the truth only now. Yeah you managed winning scores but your offensive transition always looked clunky and unpredictable. You can throw stats around but the eye test doesn't lie. Even if you think it looked fine, it was still poor compared to the better teams, I saw it a mile away and for years on end including your prelim year. You can laugh but the jokes on you guys at the end of the day, I was proven correct.

Ultimately your style of play was inefficient and unsustainable, and now it's all come out in the wash.

Yeah, I'm just never gonna agree with you on the last year part.

I think it's pretty clear to any frequent viewer of Carlton that there's been a significant difference between our ball movement this year compared to the majority of last.

Not to pump his tyres but Hoyne from CD did a deep dive on SEN last week into our ball movement over the last 12-15 months and there were notable shifts in how we were moving the ball which coincided with our form and W/L record.

Not really sure what the 'joke' is either. I've got no qualms critiquing our ball movement issues when they've been present.

 

[Mr Meow]

The only issue that I have with this is last year at the time you were posting all this we weren't facing the issues we are currently. We were both moving the ball and scoring freely most games. You said we didn't have any distinguishable system yet we were the #1 scores from turnover and #1 defending turnover at the time and sitting 2nd on the ladder.

This year is a whole nother story. Without Newman, Boyd and Elijah in our team our poor ball users across the park have been exposed for what they are as well don't have them as outlets to play through, other players are out of form and our forward line is a complete calamity without McKay and Curnow still working his way back to fitness.

If you were to list all of Carlton's issues this year you'd find no argument from me, but as I said, you brought up all this at a time where no such issues were present.

Here comes the latest round of injury/absentee excuses.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Here comes the latest round of injury/absentee excuses.

Right on cue...

What was I excusing Meow?

 

[zyzzbruh]

The only issue that I have with this is last year at the time you were posting all this we weren't facing the issues we are currently. We were both moving the ball and scoring freely most games. You said we didn't have any distinguishable system yet we were the #1 scores from turnover and #1 defending turnover at the time and sitting 2nd on the ladder.

This year is a whole nother story. Without Newman, Boyd and Elijah in our team our poor ball users across the park have been exposed for what they are as well don't have them as outlets to play through, other players are out of form and our forward line is a complete calamity without McKay and Curnow still working his way back to fitness.

If you were to list all of Carlton's issues this year you'd find no argument from me, but as I said, you brought up all this at a time where no such issues were present.

And p.s you can still end up with decent stats even if certain parts of your game are poor. At the time I mentioned it was individual quality around the ball aiding those stats. You could absolutely screw a kick yet still win a contest that results in a score. You can still dump kick down the line to a 1v2 disadvantage but have quality markers in McKay and Curnow still win the contest that results in a score. You guys have quality players who are able to still win in that manner, hence masking your ball movement issues ad skewing the stats.

If you guys were a better ball movement team with that squad you would have been unstoppable. There's a reason why you kept getting undone every second week, and that unsustainable style is exactly what's coming to the fore now. Only so far contested footy can take you before the slog of it all tires out. Only for pure ball movement teams like Hawthorn to develop past you in a flash.

Can deny and argue but your team is literally in the position it is for a reason. It's so obvious why, yet alot of your supporters seem dumbfounded and pointing at the board and other irrelevant things. The answer has been staring you in the face for quite a while.

 

[Mr Meow]

Right on cue...

What was I excusing Meow?

If Hollands, Newman and Boyd are back in the side - would Carlton have ball movement issues? You seem to be suggesting they wouldn't.

The issue has been going on longer than when any of those players dropped out of the side.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Yeah, I'm just never gonna agree with you on the last year part.

I think it's pretty clear to any frequent viewer of Carlton that there's been a significant difference between our ball movement this year compared to the majority of last.

Not to pump his tyres but Hoyne from CD did a deep dive on SEN last week into our ball movement over the last 12-15 months and there were notable shifts in how we were moving the ball which coincided with our form and W/L record.

Not really sure what the 'joke' is either. I've got no qualms critiquing our ball movement issues when they've been present.

Your ball movement may have been better last year but it was still shit. It was always unpredictable and clunky, lots of dumps down the line. I can't unsee it so not sure why you think I pulled it out of my arse. I mentioned it then because I could literally see it happening Infront of me. Ball movement was no where near the quality of Sydney, Geelong, Brisbane, port etc. idc about turnover stats my observation on good ball movement is a team who can transition seemlessly from defence to forward with ease, efficiency, predictability and consistency. You guys were always erratic and unpredictable.

And if you want stats, the ultimate stat is where you ended up on the ladder, behind all those teams...