Government Arseclown Tim Wilson

[Sphynx]

the rwnj and a supreme bullshit artist trying to dupe people. hard to believe.

bradpsychology (@bradpsychology.bsky.social)

Calling bullshit. Tim Wilson (left) posing with the common man and (right) with his campaign manager (the same person). #auspol

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RWNJ?

He is part of the moderate faction of the LNP. It's why Jane Hume is with him in that announcement.

He may be a complete dick, but it's pretty wild people can't discern the splitting of hairs here.

It's a a slightly more conservative teal vs a sliightly more progressive teal, in real terms.

So in that sense, Zoe should wipe the floor with him, as she doesn't have the party baggage. Especially given it's extreme right baggage...

I'm catching up with her in a few days, so will be interested in her thoughts first hand.

 

[Not Important]

RWNJ?

He is part of the moderate faction of the LNP. It's why Jane Hume is with him in that announcement.

He may be a complete dick, but it's pretty wild people can't discern the splitting of hairs here.

It's a a slightly more conservative teal vs a sliightly more progressive teal, in real terms.

So in that sense, Zoe should wipe the floor with him, as she doesn't have the party baggage. Especially given it's extreme right baggage...

I'm catching up with her in a few days, so will be interested in her thoughts first hand.

arrant nonsense. wilson a product of that extreme right-wing outfit the institute of public affairs.

it's going to go to the wire as wilson is better organised, hasn't made a dick of himself publicly yet, has a war chest of $2 million to play with, and the reactionaries are already into to smear mode.

 

[Sphynx]

arrant nonsense. wilson a product of that extreme right-wing outfit the institute of public affairs.

what party baggage does zoe have? she's an independent who has never been a member of a political party.

No shit, but as you know, Zoe is right wing economically also?

To be an ultra right wing conservative across both sides of the spectrum, you have to also be socially.

He's openly gay and on the record as pro LGBTQ+ (obviously), he's pro free speech and pro climate action.

Even if he is more conservative economically than Daniel.

He's a neoliberal LNP/teal*. Like Frydenberg, Bishop and Pine.


And I think you missed my point with Zoe, your point is exactly my point...

If you ignore the personality differences completely, there's not a mountain of difference between Daniel and Wilson ideologically. However, Wilson can't act as a moderate within the LNP, as there's barely any left, so he's going to get dragged straight down far right on party lines with Dutton and the rest of the cronies.

 

[Not Important]

No shit, but as you know, Zoe is right wing economically also.

To be an ultra right wing conservative, you have to also be socially.

He's openly gay, he's pro LGBTQ+ (obviously), he's pro free speech and pro climate action.

It doesn't matter how far right he is economically.

He's a neoliberal teal.


And I think you missed my point with Zoe, your point is exactly my point...

yes, i corrected the point missed. zoe is centre-right - she has said so. her appeal is to those who are concerned with the real issues of the day - climate change being at the forefront. wilson is a climate change denier, although he's attempting to distance himself.

you're a bit all over the place. initially, wilson was not an rwnj, then you accept he was an ipa employee and supporter of their rwnj policies. he's an extreme rightist who was/is more interested in self-promotion than the electorate which is part of the reason he lost last time.

 

[Sphynx]

yes, i corrected the point missed. zoe is centre-right - she has said so. her appeal is to those who are concerned with the real issues of the day - climate change being at the forefront. wilson is a climate change denier, although he's attempting to distance himself.

you're a bit all over the place. initially, wilson was not an rwnj, then you accept he was an ipa employee and supporter of their rwnj policies. he's an extreme rightist who was/is more interested in self-promotion than the electorate which is part of the reason he lost last time.

I think it’s you who are slightly confused.

RWNJ is generally a term for far right wing conservatives.

He isn’t one. He’s as far away on social stances of the right wing faction of his own party as most greens and the left side of the ALP.

Self promotion is a personality trait, not a political stance.


And you need to look into the economic policies of the IPA to distinguish between its social conservatism.

It’s nowhere near as far right on economy as it is socially.

Hence why he’s a classic neoliberal. Nowhere close to the hardcore conservative right like Dutton. How can he? He’s gay and pro trans rights. On that alone, he isn’t.

As I keep saying, he and Zoe Daniel should probably be in the same party if there was a 4th major. As could have the likes of Keating, Malcolm Fraser, Malcom Turnbull, Josh Frydenberg, Julie Bishop and potentially even Julia Gillard with Bob Hawke not far behind her, on pure ideology if it was a possibility and not a duopoly.

Thats what makes the 1983 election so fascinating in my opinion. A neoliberal and one very close to it, whom in another system potentially could have been in the same political party and quite possibly in the same faction of the same political party in a parallel universe.

 

[Maggie5]

He's openly gay and on the record as pro LGBTQ+ (obviously), he's pro free speech and pro climate action.

Didn't Wilson advocate the repealing of section 18c of the Race Discrimination Act when he was human Rights Commissioner?

Also when Director of Climate Change Policy at the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), Wilson argued against Australia being a party to the Kyoto Protocol and was against any government prices on carbon.

 

[Sphynx]

Didn't Wilson advocate the repealing of section 18c of the Race Discrimination Act when he was human Rights Commissioner?

Also when Director of Climate Change Policy at the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), Wilson argued against Australia being a party to the Kyoto Protocol and was against any government prices on carbon.

1 - Yep. His position was like many other libertarians around freedom of speech. He applied to have "offend" and "insult" removed from the law, leaving "humiliate or intimidate" in there. Not repeal the entire law.

His position was - you shouldn't be able to be dragged before the courts under law to simply offend someone, which is very subjective, under freedom of speech rights.

2 - Then when he joined parliament and endorsed Kyoto. Not the first or last to flip flop.

He voted and was pro government led innovation/technological solutions for renewables rather than simply handouts.


Im in his electorate, wont be voting for him, but it's important to call out some misinformation when you see it. He's not a far right conservative just because he's in the LNP. He simply can't be, because of a lot of his social positions.

Ultra conservatives aren't openly gay, they aren't pro gay rights and they aren't pro climate intervention (even if it is watered down compared to someone like Zoe Daniels) it's still on the progressive side.

You are right to question him, as he seems like a seedy character, more than likely doesn't give a shit about climate in reality and is only positioning himself there historically against someone like Daniel, to try for votes (in a electorate which is becoming much more progressive) Perfectly in your rights to call that out.

His most recent political positions don't align him near someone like Dutton however.

Most of the Victoria Lib's are moderates like Frydenberg, Violi, Zoe McKenzie etc etc. You pretty much have had to be with the ALP strangle hold and Greens influence on the state for so long.

 

[Not Important]

I think it’s you who are slightly confused.

RWNJ is generally a term for far right wing conservatives.

He isn’t one. He’s as far away on social stances of the right wing faction of his own party as most greens and the left side of the ALP.

Self promotion is a personality trait, not a political stance.


And you need to look into the economic policies of the IPA to distinguish between its social conservatism.

It’s nowhere near as far right on economy as it is socially.

Hence why he’s a classic neoliberal. Nowhere close to the hardcore conservative right like Dutton. How can he? He’s gay and pro trans rights. On that alone, he isn’t.

As I keep saying, he and Zoe Daniel should probably be in the same party if there was a 4th major. As could have the likes of Keating, Malcolm Fraser, Malcom Turnbull, Josh Frydenberg, Julie Bishop and potentially even Julia Gillard with Bob Hawke not far behind her, on pure ideology if it was a possibility and not a duopoly.

Thats what makes the 1983 election so fascinating in my opinion. A neoliberal and one very close to it, whom in another system potentially could have been in the same political party and quite possibly in the same faction of the same political party in a parallel universe.

no confusion this end. framing former ipa director, wilson as anything but extreme could only come from wilson or one of his spokespersons i'd suggest. he is a rwnj

to equate zoe with wilson in a policy sense is so specious it's almost laughable. one of wilson's roles as a director of the ipa was climate change where he was an avowed climate change denier. and still is despite some efforts to distance himself. climate change is a core zoe issue - they are miles apart. wilson is pro-nuclear, zoe is not. zoe is for a windfall tax on fossil fuel companies, wilson is not. zoe is for broadening the petroleum rent resource rent tax, wilson is not. zoe is big on de-carbonising transport, industries, and communities, wilson is not.

on integrity, zoe wants the regulation of lobbyists (i'd put a prohibition on them) wilson has expressed no real concerns. wilson was caught out in the lead-up to the last election fear-mongering. spreading porkies about the proposed changes to franking credits which adversely affected only those who paid no tax - a comparatively tiny number. and used a relative who is a liberal member and donor ,allegedly in a paid capacity, to work with him. a blatant conflict of interest. and so far in this campaign goes, the libs are involved in smear and fear. wilson - integrity - pfft.

dutton wants to gut the public service and, presumably, replace them with consultants. wilson has supported that position. zoe wants an effective public service and a reduction in the use of consultants.

zoe wants a fairer broad-based tax system, wilson appears to have few issues with the present system that favors the oligarchs and those for which paying tax is an option.

as for the ipa, only those from the extreme right would put that organisation isn't way out there on the right. they would privatise everything they could get the mitts on ;they are anti-science; and climate deniers ; and have whacky policies like a special economic zone to cover the northern half of the continent where companies would have lower levels of regulation, cheap labour could be imported from developing countries and tax rates would be cut. and wanting to hold a royal commission into the bureau of meteorology cos they apparently tamper with climate data.

"The IPA is usually described as a "radical libertarian think tank" but it's not libertarian, since its freedoms for the few spell oppression for the many. It's also not-thoughtful and so not public it's almost clandestine.”

“The ideas included: privatise the CSIRO, abolishing the Clean Energy Fund and Climate Change Department, cutting company tax to 25 percent, removing all barriers to international trade, ending government funding to the arts, and returning income tax powers to the states.

They'd also: dismantle and sell the ABC, sell SBS, allow all banks to merge, and abolish television local content requirements. Repeal the mining tax, means-test Medicare, end compulsory food labelling, abolish plain packaging for tobacco, allow opt-out from superannuation and voting, and repeal the Fair Work Act and section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act."

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How one think tank poisoned Australia's climate debate

One of the Institute of Public Affair's greatest successes has been to stitch climate denialism into the very fabric of the conservative political identity.

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Why the IPA's claim global warming is natural is 'junk science' | Graham Readfearn

An Institute of Pubic Affairs-sponsored journal article has been seized on by conservative media outlets. But there are a few problems

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at the 70th anniversary ipa gala, rupert was the keynote speaker, tony abbott was the other speaker and andrew bolt was the mc. other prominent ipa members are gerard henderson, gina rhinehart - donates big bucks to the outfit, alan jones. tom switzer, janet albrechsen and so it goes. no, you're right, they aren't an extreme right wing outfit.

of course, they love bashing the abc. zoe, as a former war correspondent who worked for the abc for years is pro the abc- just another point of difference between the two. and disgracefully, this extreme right political outfit gets tax-deductible status.

as for your response to my comment that wilson was more interested in self-promotion and advancement you suggested that was a personality trait rather than a political stance. that is astonishing. it directly affects his politics as it denies goldstein a representative who offers proper representation.

i've seen wilson in photos standing behind dutton. and he was in lockstep with scummo when he was the leader. i assume you'll now say scummo was not a rwnj.

you mention that because wilson is gay and supports gay rights that in some way doesn't render him hard right. i have two nearby neighbours who are gay. they get their information from sky and love sky after dark - or whatever it's called - think trump is the ant's pants and are all for wilson because he's on the same page as them.

candidly, to equate zoe with wilson in a policy sense or almost any sense is so fatuous it's almost laughable

 

[RedStarUncle]

Traditional Conservatives are economically moderate and variously in the range socially of moderately conservative through to Australian Christians or One Nation conservative.

Neolibertarians may sit socially more progressive than the traditional Conservatives, but their economic policy is far-right stuff that basically promotes ultimate economic control concentrated in the wealthy few that we're seeing being rolled out in real time right now in the US.

The IPA are the Australian epitome of neolibertarianism. They are (economic) RWNJs. This is Tim Wilson's origin.

 

[Sphynx]

Traditional Conservatives are economically moderate and variously in the range socially of moderately conservative through to Australian Christians or One Nation conservative.

Neolibertarians may sit socially more progressive than the traditional Conservatives, but their economic policy is far-right stuff that basically promotes ultimate economic control concentrated in the wealthy few that we're seeing being rolled out in real time right now in the US.

The IPA are the Australian epitome of neolibertarianism. They are (economic) RWNJs. This is Tim Wilson's origin.

I don’t think RWNJ’s is a description within the economic sphere. It’s more associated with being backward socially in my opinion.

Free markets, privatization, pro defence and low taxes is generally not what people get their knickers in a knot over.

 

[western royboy]

In the words of Frank Costanza, “this guy…he’s not my kinda guy”

 

[Chief]

He applied to have "offend" and "insult" removed from the law, leaving "humiliate or intimidate" in there.

Do we know why? Given the definition of those words, there is no reason to remove them.

 

[Chief]

His position was - you shouldn't be able to be dragged before the courts under law to simply offend someone, which is very subjective, under freedom of speech rights.

Ah - he's ignorant. I see now.

 

[Gough]

Do we know why? Given the definition of those words, there is no reason to remove them.

Bolt v Eatock

 

[Not Important]

In the words of Frank Costanza, “this guy…he’s not my kinda guy”

i recall when he was the member years back. there was a charity run from parliament house and wilson turned up in the entire running outfit. did all the pressers. set off for the 2km charity run, but stopped and headed back to parliament house about 100 metres into the charity run. he hadn’t realised a smart cameraman had captured it all. very adept at stunts.

 

[Not Important]

Bolt v Eatock

well remember that case after being found guilty of defamation costing newscorpse hundreds of thousands and the judge saying the piece contained errors of fact and distortions of the truth, blot appeared after the verdict claiming it was an attack on freedom of speech. in his weird world facts and truth apparently don’t rate that highly.

 

[Kyptastic]

i recall when he was the member years back. there was a charity run from parliament house and wilson turned up in the entire running outfit. did all the pressers. set off for the 2km charity run, but stopped and headed back to parliament house about 100 metres into the charity run. he hadn’t realised a smart cameraman had captured it all. very adept at stunts.

 

[kalex6251]

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got a txt from the prayer room?

 

[DapperDon]

Tim not far right?, his helper workers seem to think he is.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Tim not far right?, his helper workers seem to think he is.
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There is little more sniveling and pathetic in the Australian political sphere than being a MAGA type, and worse, sporting the merchandise.

 

[MJG14]

Everytime I see him I think of this, which popped in my feed again the other day.

 

[QuietB]

i recall when he was the member years back. there was a charity run from parliament house and wilson turned up in the entire running outfit. did all the pressers. set off for the 2km charity run, but stopped and headed back to parliament house about 100 metres into the charity run. he hadn’t realised a smart cameraman had captured it all. very adept at stunts.

Probably had a prayer room booking he couldn't miss

 

[Not Important]

lucy hamilton on the sunday shot spoke about the power and influence of the so-called right-wing think tanks.

one she referenced was the mont pelerin society. a climate-denying, anti-collectivist - read union bashing - privatisation pushers of which tim wilson is a member. so we know wilson is part of the institute of public affairs dipstickery. now we know he's a member of this group of extreme reactionaries too. when i used the colourful term rwnj when referring to wilson here is more evidence.

Mont Pelerin – home to leaders of climate science denial

Abbott’s chief business advisor Maurice Newman is a member of a society home to leading pushers of climate denial.

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Mont Pelerin Society

The Mont Pelerin Society (MPS) Background The Mont Pelerin Society (MPS) was created in 1947 by the free market economist and philosopher Friedrich von Hayek and advocates “classical liberalism,” an ideology classified by small government and minimal regulation of business. It was named after...

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Category:Member of the Mont Pelerin Society - Wikipedia

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How the Mont Pelerin Society 'Neoliberal Thought Collective' Is Influencing Donald Trump's Presidency

After Donald Trump won the US election, analysts, researchers and journalists got to work to track how this apparent political outsider would suddenly gather a team. Despite promising to “drain the swamp” of vested interests and lobbyists, it became clear Trump was intent on refilling it with...

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[western royboy]

lucy hamilton on the sunday shot spoke about the power and influence of the so-called right-wing think tanks.

one she referenced was the mont pelerin society. a climate-denying, anti-collectivist - read union bashing - privatisation pushers of which tim wilson is a member. so we know wilson is part of the institute of public affairs dipstickery. now we know he's a member of this group of extreme reactionaries too. when i used the colourful term rwnj when referring to wilson here is more evidence.

Mont Pelerin – home to leaders of climate science denial

Abbott’s chief business advisor Maurice Newman is a member of a society home to leading pushers of climate denial.

reneweconomy.com.au

Mont Pelerin Society

The Mont Pelerin Society (MPS) Background The Mont Pelerin Society (MPS) was created in 1947 by the free market economist and philosopher Friedrich von Hayek and advocates “classical liberalism,” an ideology classified by small government and minimal regulation of business. It was named after...

www.desmog.com

Category:Member of the Mont Pelerin Society - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How the Mont Pelerin Society 'Neoliberal Thought Collective' Is Influencing Donald Trump's Presidency

After Donald Trump won the US election, analysts, researchers and journalists got to work to track how this apparent political outsider would suddenly gather a team. Despite promising to “drain the swamp” of vested interests and lobbyists, it became clear Trump was intent on refilling it with...

www.desmog.com

Are they really think tanks or echo chambers?

 

[Not Important]

Are they really think tanks or echo chambers?

no, they are way more than echo chambers. they are proactive players, influencers, policy and agenda-setters. you have to look no further than the heritage foundation and project 2025. check out the comments of lucy hamilton in ‘the weekend shot’. i’ve linked it in the abc thread as a better alternative than speers and insiders.