GC & Carlton Given Priority Access to State League Players

Should GC and Carlton be given priority access to state league players?

  • Yes

    Votes: 73 44.5%

  • No

    Votes: 91 55.5%
  • Total voters
    164

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Melbourne were overcompensated with Frawley but we were losing a former All Aus tall in his prime who would go on to be one of the best players in a grand final win. And we used the system available.

Carlton are effectively getting 2 extra second round picks when they could just trade 2nd rounders for mature talent if they weren't so keen to hoard talent. Why not just let them trade more future picks to get the talent their list needs? Oh well, they'll get McGovern.

Gold Coast are getting more draft picks to burn. They traded a bunch of 2nd round picks to the Eagles last year in one of the more dreadful trades of the recent era. Good luck to them.
 
projectv said:
This is preferable to them having PP's that compromise this years draft.
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What do you think removing these players does to the draft?

Geelong would be up sh1t creek without Kelly, Stewart, Menegola etc.

Melbourne would be a lesser side without Fritsch and Hannan.

Hawthorn might not have won some flags without drafting Isaac Smith as a mature age player when they did.
 

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master bate said:
What do you think removing these players does to the draft?

Geelong would be up sh1t creek without Kelly, Stewart, Menegola etc.

Melbourne would be a lesser side without Fritsch and Hannan.

Hawthorn might not have won some flags without drafting Isaac Smith as a mature age player when they did.
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If the article is correct, they're both getting access to two players each. There's more than 4 amazing state league players out there.

It won't have as much of an impact as you think to the draft - most likely they won't be traded at all as giving Carlton and GC ready-made players is far more useful to them than an untried 18 year old.
 
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BM123 said:
Common issue among older Carlton supporters that struggle with the idea of been unable to field 22 super stars. Carlton's not gunning for a flag anytime soon so I'd love for the club to go out of it's way to get some older players to give the younger guys breathing room to develop properly. No matter if we got a priority pick or not Carlton is going to get stomped next year barring some miracle. Carltons been grabbing C graders unintentionally for years now so may as well grab some decent state league players on purpose to ease the transition. Cripps is going through the Nathan Jones simulator atm so he'd love some mature bodies to play around too.

Doesn't help that most of Carltons better older players are injury prone like Murphy and Kreuzer.
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The thing is Carlton do have a good solid core of talented young players. They're not going to play finals next year but if they can put in place a strategy to compete for finals in 2020/21 and make the opposition earn every game they play against you things will turn around. It's gonna take some smart trading/drafting, an area that clearly needs improvement. But all's not lost there is a way out for Carlton but it is gonna take working hard AND smart.
 
projectv said:
If the article is correct, they're both getting access to two players each. There's more than 4 amazing state league players out there.
It won't have as much of an impact as you think to the draft - most likely they won't be traded at all as giving Carlton and GC ready-made players is far more useful to them than an untried 18 year old.
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Yup this is the first reasonable post in awhile. Truth be told we don't need more young talent. With:

Backs: Weitering, Marchbank
Mids: Dow, SPS, Fisher, LOB, Pick 1
Forwards: Curnow, McKay
Ruck: TDK looks the goods

We already have 10 youngsters spread across the lines who look to become very good or better (while blokes like Murphy, Simpson, Cripps and Docherty babysit them)

The young core is there, a couple of mature agers will be the best short term filler of needs for us.
 
Juddernaut08 said:
Yup this is the first reasonable post in awhile. Truth be told we don't need more young talent. With:

Backs: Weitering, Marchbank
Mids: Dow, SPS, Fisher, LOB, Pick 1
Forwards: Curnow, McKay
Ruck: TDK looks the goods

We already have 10 youngsters spread across the lines who look to become very good or better (while blokes like Murphy, Simpson, Cripps and Docherty babysit them)

The young core is there, a couple of mature agers will be the best short term filler of needs for us.
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Carlton have a better set of young players than the Saints, it's hard to dispute that.

I think this solution would work out pretty well for GC and Carlton, especially with GC losing a KPP in Lynch.

I would be pretty pissed though if either of the clubs traded these state players for kids - as I think that goes against the spirit of the gesture.
 
Demonic Ascent said:
The thing is Carlton do have a good solid core of talented young players. They're not going to play finals next year but if they can put in place a strategy to compete for finals in 2020/21 and make the opposition earn every game they play against you things will turn around. It's gonna take some smart trading/drafting, an area that clearly needs improvement. But all's not lost there is a way out for Carlton but it is gonna take working hard AND smart.
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Carlton follows some pretty severe cycles of showing okay but not exceptional promise one year or two before going to crap all over again. Unsure if Carlton has the patience and know how to actually follow through a proper rebuild. People are going to go for Bolton's throat and whoever else they can scape goat soon enough and it's deja vu all over again with someone new.

Here's hoping they turn it around though.
 
BPikkers said:
Yes we did receive one, however, the difference being that we didn’t go cap in hand pleading for it as the rules at the time allocated a PP to teams who won less than 5 games.

However, the Pies made the most of it as the afl would have expected when they brought in that rule.

That was 1 pick. The blues also received the 1st PP that draft (Mark Murphy and then Kennedy), the Hawks the 3rd pick. It just so happens we selected Pendlebury at 5 (who incidentally may go down as one of the greatest Collingwood players in history). You have our PP playing for you now so it’s worked out for you.

The real issue is that we never received a 1st or 2nd pick since (2005 draft). How many have the blues received?

It’s not about rewarding continuous failure.
The AFL provides compensation to give clubs the opportunity to turn things around. If you fail to do it, you just haven’t learnt. If you embark on a strategy that doesn’t work, you can’t go back to the well and ask for even more than the 1st pick you once again receive.
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This is the first time carlton has elected to rebuild for the future. We're doing what collingwood and hawthorn did in the mid 2000s, what west coast and richmond did in late 2000s, what bulldogs did in early 2010s and what melbourne did mid 2010s. Granted we're a little late to the party but the foundations of most successful sides were laid by doing what carlton is doing now. But circumstances of carlton's top picks in the mid 2000s were vastly different to the other clubs. we were basically an expansion team at that point.

now we're rebuilding in an era where bad clubs lose players to good clubs through free agency, there is no priority pick system which all the clubs i mentioned above benefited from, and the way the game is played now takes longer for younger players to have an impact because the level of conditioning required is much greater than in past generations it requires 2-3+ good preseasons at least.

But in any case this is more of a case of the AFL making rules up on the go, and then making rules up later to counteract the unexpected things that the first rules changes caused.
 
projectv said:
If the article is correct, they're both getting access to two players each. There's more than 4 amazing state league players out there.

It won't have as much of an impact as you think to the draft - most likely they won't be traded at all as giving Carlton and GC ready-made players is far more useful to them than an untried 18 year old.
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Last years draft

24 - Kelly
27 - Liam Ryan
31 - Fritsch
56 - Langdon

40 - Stewart
46 - Hannan
52 - Rioli
66 - Luke Ryan

Both Rioli and Ryan would go top 25 in a redraft. Stewart might be top 10.

35 - Marcus Adams
66 - Menegola
67 - Broad

These are some really important players to their teams. Especially to teams up the ladder who need immediate impact. There's a lot of good honest players in the state leagues, but there's really only a select number of guys who have special qualities and are valued in the 2nd or early 3rd round.

I'm telling anyone who will listen in this thread that Carlton will take and trade Shane McAdam, he's a guy with special qualities capable of improving a finals team. That kind of deal will impact the draft.

As I said before, where would Geelong be without Kelly, Stewart and Menegola? They wouldn't have played finals, I'm certain of that.
 
So based on the fact that you these concessions allow for anyone who's previously nominated to be pre-listed, does anyone know of some 19 year olds that have sprung up in the juniors or state leagues that would be in top 30 contention?

We didn't manage any last year, but usually there's a solid top 20 chance each year.
 
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Jimmae said:
LemmingMaster, The Smoking Gun and Arr0w, I'm going to defer to you on this year's draft pool because I've not been able to keep up this year (will play catch-up in October), can you offer us some 19 year olds that have sprung up in the juniors or state leagues that would be in top 30 contention?

We didn't manage any last year, but usually there's a solid top 20 chance each year.
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Further to Jimmae's query, what classifies as a mature age player eligible for our selections (and GC selections)?
 
I like this idea it helps us in the short run getting some players that would have been drafted in the 20-50 range.

But i was hoping we were going to get a first rounder PP (eg 19) with the rule we had to trade it! Even if it was for pick 26 and 28 for example. Would have happily have traded it for Mitch McGovern anyday of the week over two state players. Players like Barlow and Kelly dont come every year.
 
I just hate the arbitrariness of it all. Teams have got PP's before in the past for winning more games than the Blues did this year (so either they shouldn't have got it or the Blues have been screwed over) and now the AFL has made up a rule and applied it on the fly.
 

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